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HERVEPA

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4. The nuclear option is just the method to get the "reform" passed.

Wed Jan 23, 2013, 02:15 PM

Jan 2013

Look at the body of the original message. What he's looking to use the nuclear option to do isn't worth much, and will still require the 60 votes to get something through. It'll just make the Rethuglicans look a little uglier when they do it, and they don't really care about that.

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Harry Reid Declares He Has 51 Votes For Filibuster Reform [View all] UrbScotty Jan 2013 OP

How exciting. Reform without actual change. HERVEPA Jan 2013 #1

Isn't he saying he has the votes for the nuclear ("constitutional") option? NYC Liberal Jan 2013 #2

Seems to be the case... (nt) UrbScotty Jan 2013 #3

The nuclear option is just the method to get the "reform" passed. HERVEPA Jan 2013 #4

+1 davidwparker Jan 2013 #48

I thought the nuclear option was eliminating the filibuster entirely, not merrily Jan 2013 #18

Actually zipplewrath Jan 2013 #21

Thanks, but I am only more confused. merrily Jan 2013 #25

So he has 51 votes, but not for the talking filibuster then ? n/t PoliticAverse Jan 2013 #5

“full talking filibuster” approach likely won’t happen because it “does not have 51 votes.” Dragonfli Jan 2013 #6

I recall that two of the remaining senators to get the talking filibuster were Boxer and Leahy... cascadiance Jan 2013 #7

"Reid likes handshake agreements from Republicans..." Volaris Jan 2013 #42

The deal seems to be that to obstruct, you must show you have 41 votes. bemildred Jan 2013 #8

I just called Boxer's office stopwastingmymoney Jan 2013 #9

caution : this reform looks good now, but we may have ample time for regrets. rampart Jan 2013 #10

You do know Senators are elcted by the entire state and not by district as Representatives are? Bandit Jan 2013 #11

If the Republicans take the Senate in 2014, they could just change the rules anyway. n/t PoliticAverse Jan 2013 #12

So let's do nothing for the next two years? n/t eggplant Jan 2013 #20

No, I was refuting the idea that the rule shouldn't be changed now PoliticAverse Jan 2013 #23

Heh. My bad. Let's agree to violently agree. ;-) n/t eggplant Jan 2013 #31

WE ALREADY HAVE REGRETS look at all the bills and appointments that have been silibustered leftyohiolib Jan 2013 #14

Now would be a really good time for Ruth Bader Ginsberg to announce her retirement bluestateguy Jan 2013 #13

If she wanted to retire, I think she would have done it during his first term, rather merrily Jan 2013 #17

Why should she retire? golfguru Jan 2013 #43

the more odest package looks like NOTHING. 41 votes to filibuster needed to kill robinlynne Jan 2013 #15

Because it puts the effort on the minority jeff47 Jan 2013 #32

interesting. robinlynne Jan 2013 #36

yes. that is the real significance. DCBob Jan 2013 #39

Then DO IT! wicket Jan 2013 #16

No shit. Democrats have folded so often, announcing their intentions to do something good yurbud Jan 2013 #40

YUP!!!! wicket Jan 2013 #41

....and sadly, Reid just proved me right. yurbud Jan 2013 #54

Then hurry up and do it EC Jan 2013 #19

BFD - No talking filibuster, no reform bfealk Jan 2013 #22

and you base this knowledge on? demwing Jan 2013 #49

Well, if the Republicans don't have 40 votes to maintain a filibuster, the blue dogs will help them. cascadiance Jan 2013 #55

Get it done. The talking filibuster is essential... Sunlight = Disinfectant Firebrand Gary Jan 2013 #24

This should be interesting. hrmjustin Jan 2013 #26

What a surprise. UnrepentantLiberal Jan 2013 #27

Reid: We have 51 votes Smilo Jan 2013 #28

An additional aspect of this change that many of you don't seem to recognize NinetySix Jan 2013 #29

We'll see when the vote comes up. sakabatou Jan 2013 #30

Weaken? It should read, "no longer grossly abused". nt Javaman Jan 2013 #33

McConnell is a jerkoff The Wizard Jan 2013 #34

Hope So!!!! healthnut7 Jan 2013 #35

Then do it! And let's get this show on the road! KansDem Jan 2013 #37

I don't even get why they allow it humbled_opinion Jan 2013 #38

What are ya waiting for Harry. Phlem Jan 2013 #44

It's Fitzmas all over again!!11 RandiFan1290 Jan 2013 #45

Harry is full of shit, as usual. russspeakeasy Jan 2013 #46

Called Senator Boxer and left a message asking her to support the "Talking" filibuster proposal. xxxsdesdexxx Jan 2013 #47

Reid is weak BigD_95 Jan 2013 #50

Sec. Clinton could lend him some "balls" she know how to stand up to the right awake Jan 2013 #51

Dear Harry. Anything weaker than what you have the votes for is trivial, and our problems aren't Tom Rinaldo Jan 2013 #52

Harry Reid declares 'just kidding'. nt NorthCarolina Jan 2013 #53

All Over Now. 4 More Years Of The Last 4 Years. blkmusclmachine Jan 2013 #56

Well that turned out to be a complete crock. nt Javaman Jan 2013 #57