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Occulus

(20,599 posts)
142. Why bring it up? Here, I'll quote you:
Wed Jan 9, 2013, 07:30 PM
Jan 2013

"This program relieves teachers from having to count and record attendance, and gives them more time to teach."

If you want more time to actually teach, stop teaching to the test. I promise you more actual teaching (and that's not just facts regurgitated by rote, but includes comprehension and critical thinking) will get done. Your reasoning was flawed; you mentioned the time taken in attendance taking, and that was the whole of your primary point. Your point, as stated, was thus invalid, because attendance taking requires a very small slice of time at its worst.

Your final, following paranthetical, depending on school cafeterias and public school lunch assistance as they relate to social stigma, is better handled by requiring (as one possible, plausible, and very doable example of many possible solutions) school account lunch cards, into which parents deposit their child's lunch funds for the week/month/year, capable of use solely at the school, solely in the cafeteria. Students using public assistance would never be visibly 'flagged' for such; the flag would go on the account, into which the parents would deposit the public assistance money, or into which the state would deposit the money directly. Nobody but the cashier need ever know a child is taking public assistance to be fed a school lunch. That nearly every "solution" ever implemented includes a visible sign of the fact the student is getting public assistance to eat lunch means that the people proposing those "solutions" have a very wide and deep streak of evil when it come to the poor.

Since I grew up in a public school system in which creative thinking was still allowed and outside-the-box solutions were still accepted (and, more to the point, taught to be accepted), I'm able to come up with solutions for taking attendance other than hanging a wage-slave-style card around a kid's neck- things teachers already did for literally centuries without any real ongoing problem with the method. I'm willing to do this because I see the long-term consequences of such an easy, short-term 'fix' for a "problem" that has never really been a problem.

Isn't it funny how things that teachers have done for literally forever are suddenly not enough when dollar signs are involved? Ha ha ha. I must pause while I wipe away my tears of mirth.

Besides, if it takes too much time (and even five minutes is too long) for a teacher to take attendance in their own classroom, they are either freshly-minted and very green teachers, or don't have enough control over their students to be teaching in the first place. I can forgive the former and am willing to give lots of time and patience for that particular stew to cook. I will not tolerate, excuse, or condone the latter.

That's why I brought it up. Your reasons for defending these electronic leashes are better dealt with in far less intrusive ways.

I dislike religions, but RFIDing students? ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2013 #1
Why is that wrong? It's just an id. If they swiped in... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #35
An RFID isn't simply "swiped". An RFID is read from a distance. ET Awful Jan 2013 #58
Whilst this is true, it's also practicable (and practiced)... TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #90
Yes, your description is basically correct, but I would note... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #114
It's made to track them--IN THE SCHOOL. Once the student leaves campus, they can remove the MADem Jan 2013 #126
As in Minority Report...see the movie for how evil this can become. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #149
"What's the big deal?" BlueNoteSpecial Jan 2013 #65
+1000 Exactly! nt docgee Jan 2013 #68
They always ask the same question: Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #74
Its a ding dong high school. HS kids have always been... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #86
Ther is a difference between tracking kids Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #101
After visiting the school's web site... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #107
Sounds like it's enabling fraud customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #177
Its up to the state to decide... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #188
the school cares more about the card in the school than the actual child. Sunlei Jan 2013 #178
I think the school cares about the actual child... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #187
A post befitting the name of its poster FiveGoodMen Jan 2013 #131
There are those who... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #150
I'm with the people who wrote the 4th Amendment FiveGoodMen Jan 2013 #165
Unreasonable searches and seizures? I don't see... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #167
Except the tracking is thru roll calls rather than virtual tracking. alp227 Jan 2013 #159
This system really seems to be about school funding... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #162
Instead of rationalizing this invasion of privacy how about a better solution for school funding? alp227 Jan 2013 #163
A better solution for school funding... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #166
So you can't trust teachers to take roll call properly? alp227 Jan 2013 #169
A teacher can't count a kid who is not in the room... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #170
Except if the kid is on campus but NOT IN CLASS...why should the school still get per pupil funding? alp227 Jan 2013 #171
They are using state standards for attendance. You would have to ask the state. NT reACTIONary Jan 2013 #172
What stops skipping kids from hanging their badges in their lockers or the restrooms or DeschutesRiver Jan 2013 #184
RFIDs are clearly all about the money.... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #185
Kids will hang their RFID badges in the school, then not attend classes. DeschutesRiver Jan 2013 #191
Interesting points. But they aren't civil rights issues. NT reACTIONary Jan 2013 #195
Well, the people--or in this case, the person--didn't prevail. MADem Jan 2013 #127
Welcome to DU and thank you for the great reply. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #152
Yep, the deer in the headlight people, the I never did anything wrong crowd, RKP5637 Jan 2013 #155
It is wrong because 1984 was a cautionary tale Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #70
exactly. ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2013 #80
plus is there is the ongoing cost to maintain Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #99
The culture of subservience Cynicus Emeritus Jan 2013 #112
and some think of it as an instruction manual. ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2013 #120
Quite a few right here on DU. Occulus Jan 2013 #137
^^^THIS^^^ BlueNoteSpecial Jan 2013 #83
More teachers, books and decent hot lunches.... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #87
I seriously doubt that the 30 seconds required to call the roll Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #94
It takes more than 30 seconds, and attendance reports have to be filled in... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #103
Don't make us laugh. Occulus Jan 2013 #138
Getting rid of the testing... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #140
Why bring it up? Here, I'll quote you: Occulus Jan 2013 #142
RE: If you want more time to actually teach, stop teaching to the test. reACTIONary Jan 2013 #160
drip by drop, by cover of labyrinthine code masquerading as law, and sealed with the kiss of years Mutatis Mutandis Jan 2013 #175
Very poetic. Changed things having been changed... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #189
RFID works both ways. TheBlackAdder Jan 2013 #71
Let me see, Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #77
Well, I didn't see the price, but... TheBlackAdder Jan 2013 #115
Ah, that explains the "revenue" Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #183
This is a pilot program to see if it is cost effective... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #117
"Their interest is increasing school revenues. " Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #182
The school gets funding from the state... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #186
Again, the question is Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #190
OK. But that just isn't a civil rights issue. NT reACTIONary Jan 2013 #194
The data on the RFID is a simple arbitrary serial number... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #116
Easy solution. Home school. n/t Tempest Jan 2013 #2
easier solution: don't tag kids like cattle. TeamPooka Jan 2013 #5
Questions for you Tempest Jan 2013 #8
You first. nt Javaman Jan 2013 #14
That's a cop-out. Adios. Tempest Jan 2013 #19
LOLOL Javaman Jan 2013 #64
NO. NO. GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #21
Ben Franklin would not approve. nm rhett o rick Jan 2013 #31
The next accessory for the AR-14 will be an RFID tracker. Feel safer now? leveymg Jan 2013 #55
What??? atreides1 Jan 2013 #72
How would have tracking students Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #79
Because it took a while to find all the students, as some had run away. jeff47 Jan 2013 #93
"think of the children" is always a piss-poor excuse. Occulus Jan 2013 #139
+1 million Ter Jan 2013 #27
What's wrong with a student id card? And what's wrong with making easy to read? NT reACTIONary Jan 2013 #36
After all the Jones and Teabagger ravings, TX has more surveillance than ever... freshwest Jan 2013 #3
They do give a damn Ter Jan 2013 #28
Time to require all judges to wear tracker RFID The Second Stone Jan 2013 #4
Can we RFID Congress? TeamPooka Jan 2013 #6
Why bother? Tab Jan 2013 #17
Think Vitter. ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2013 #81
I'm sure judges, as well as other court employees, have id cards... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #37
The family is represented by the Rutherford Institute... DonViejo Jan 2013 #7
How does that matter? I wouldn't allow a daughter or son or mine to wear one KoKo Jan 2013 #9
Statement of fact; nothing more, nothing less. eom DonViejo Jan 2013 #12
Why not? Robb Jan 2013 #16
Could this be why we have a 2nd Amendment? Cynicus Emeritus Jan 2013 #10
No, that's why we have the FOURTH Amendment BainsBane Jan 2013 #11
Nah, s/he's just concerned about the "slippery slope." crim son Jan 2013 #33
The Second Amendment has nothing to do with violence Cynicus Emeritus Jan 2013 #111
So what is the utility of the Second Amendment in this case? BainsBane Jan 2013 #113
What then does it have to do with "bending over...?" LanternWaste Jan 2013 #133
It means we must bend over to the corporate elite Cynicus Emeritus Jan 2013 #144
nice signature line daschess1987 Jan 2013 #20
Ever heard of ALEC ThoughtCriminal Jan 2013 #32
You are going to shoot people dead... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #34
Let us hope she doesn't learn that it's okay to "cast away that which offends". Trillo Jan 2013 #13
The school offered to remove the RFID. Its just an id card. Big deal. NT reACTIONary Jan 2013 #38
Suspensions are never a big deal to third parties. NT Trillo Jan 2013 #47
What I meant by "not a big deal" was... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #49
Sorry, I added to my post above, didn't see your reply. Trillo Jan 2013 #51
The original article when this first came out said tammywammy Jan 2013 #63
Given that she thinks the RFID is the "mark of the beast" and... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #118
I read some of the pdf tammywammy left. Trillo Jan 2013 #143
Start a whitehouse.org pettition to grant her the diploma... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #154
Glad they didn't have those my senior year Canoe52 Jan 2013 #15
If they installed an RFID reader in the trees across the street from school JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #56
And I'd have missed out on many deep dish pizza lunches FiveGoodMen Jan 2013 #193
This is a tough one. Joe Shlabotnik Jan 2013 #18
Without the religious angle, on what grounds would you challenge it? NT reACTIONary Jan 2013 #39
I dunno Joe Shlabotnik Jan 2013 #42
How is issuing a student id to be construed as a search? NT reACTIONary Jan 2013 #45
Simply because thier presence or absence is suddenly suspicious Joe Shlabotnik Jan 2013 #48
I don't know about a kid's presence in school being suspicious... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #50
because the school has no real authority Joe Shlabotnik Jan 2013 #52
They definitely are interested in collecting tax dollars from the state... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #119
the school will know where... neovente Jan 2013 #84
Fun to watch the reverse gymnastics. LanternWaste Jan 2013 #134
Big Brother Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #22
Could move to employers saying take or leave it too if you take it off at lunch no pay lunasun Jan 2013 #108
Neither think Jan 2013 #128
The district said it would allow her to continue attending school with the battery and chip removed tomm2thumbs Jan 2013 #23
A card around the neck? Whoa. I'd object, too. How horrible. What's the purpose? Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #24
Everybody where I work has an id card, and we wear them so others can see them... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #40
School is not work Ash_F Jan 2013 #69
Student id cards are ubiquitous in schools. With thousands of kids in each school... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #85
Then you are misinformed Ash_F Jan 2013 #88
I'm pretty sure that teachers at this school... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #96
That is a completely different argument then where we began Ash_F Jan 2013 #102
You reminded me of what it was like to be in high school, and I visited... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #105
They aren't used to track every micro second of the worker's time at work. LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #78
And why would you think that is done at this school? No where does it say... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #82
Read the article again. LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #89
Instead, I went to the school's web site... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #92
If it tracks, it tracks. Employers who read e-mails also keep track of info from trackers. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #147
You don't see wealthy people with cards hanging around their necks, do you? Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #146
Actually, I see several wealthy people, every day or so, wearing them... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #153
You got me there...except I'm gonna guess he's at a special event Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #157
A few thoughts... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #158
There's always a stated "good reason" for restrictions on one's liberty. Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #161
I'd say, yes, there always should be a good reason... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #164
FYI, Another rich guy with an id around his neck... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #168
All employees where I work wear a badge. tammywammy Jan 2013 #192
I would not have liked being tracked at all in school or work, but I can see the benefits of this. Sunlei Jan 2013 #25
until that student doesn't show up in the right classroom at the right time SemperEadem Jan 2013 #59
true but some high school students are pretty clever :) Sunlei Jan 2013 #173
the day they can split themselves into two is one I'll be waiting for... SemperEadem Jan 2013 #181
But sometimes a good end doesn't justify the means. Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #148
international conversations, communications. Sunlei Jan 2013 #174
I'm so happy I don't have to even care about Politicalboi Jan 2013 #26
well when you do have children SemperEadem Jan 2013 #60
When we reach the point of RFID Trackers in schools, armed teachers, endless RKP5637 Jan 2013 #29
I honestly don't have a strong opinion either way concerning this issue... defacto7 Jan 2013 #54
In the future what do you imagine a police state run school would be like? lunasun Jan 2013 #109
Yep!!! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2013 #125
Much like a Dickensian workhouse. LanternWaste Jan 2013 #135
My main objection to it is the use of SSN in the implementation of the device. LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #30
A couple of points... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #43
Why would there be a huge traffic jam for a school LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #73
It would be a huge traffic jam because... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #91
It doesn't use actual SSNs jeff47 Jan 2013 #95
Schools do not use SSNs for student ID numbers anymore. yellowcanine Jan 2013 #106
Step by step, inch by inch, creeping stealthily into 1984. blkmusclmachine Jan 2013 #41
Could be a lot of job creation out of that... I'd gladly apply to work at an RFID factory. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #44
My TV? I've got a camera and a microphone installed in my computer... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #46
It's already here... sickwidit Jan 2013 #100
And your laptop, your iPad, your cell phone... the list goes on. :) Thegonagle Jan 2013 #132
The Urban High School I went to had LarryNM Jan 2013 #53
They have too many students in the schools. LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #75
I looked up on the school district's web site. They have... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #121
So far you haven't understood anything I have posted. LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #145
Sorry about that. I'll have another look. (NT) reACTIONary Jan 2013 #151
They don't seem to have a security problem... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #122
Good!! SkyDaddy7 Jan 2013 #57
is it really that much of a security feature SemperEadem Jan 2013 #61
Just Disable the Chip Macoy51 Jan 2013 #62
Yes, because the students benefit greatly when they're marked absent for weeks. jeff47 Jan 2013 #97
While Turning in course Work Macoy51 Jan 2013 #176
Because the teacher's written grade book is integrated with the RFID computer jeff47 Jan 2013 #179
What do the gay kids wear ripcord Jan 2013 #66
wrap it in tin foil in a stylish manner or find a stylish metal case to protect it with dembotoz Jan 2013 #67
Misleading because district agreed to allow her to wear an ID without the chip. yellowcanine Jan 2013 #76
Much ado about nothing. randome Jan 2013 #98
Some of the "Rapturists" do think that bar codes are the mark of the Beast. yellowcanine Jan 2013 #104
+10 (NT) reACTIONary Jan 2013 #123
Money and danger involved lunasun Jan 2013 #110
The names and addresses don't help RFID tracking... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #124
My sons went in the microwave. Xithras Jan 2013 #129
Yes, destroying the RFID chip is a simple solution, and works well. hunter Jan 2013 #136
Far better reaction than all the ho-humming elsewhere in this thread. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2013 #141
By introducint RFID tags to school children the system is avebury Jan 2013 #130
This is not good tawadi Jan 2013 #156
but just think.... actslikeacarrot Jan 2013 #180
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