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BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
11. No, that's why we have the FOURTH Amendment
Tue Jan 8, 2013, 09:48 PM
Jan 2013

are you suggesting the appropriate response is to shoot school officials or judges?

I dislike religions, but RFIDing students? ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2013 #1
Why is that wrong? It's just an id. If they swiped in... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #35
An RFID isn't simply "swiped". An RFID is read from a distance. ET Awful Jan 2013 #58
Whilst this is true, it's also practicable (and practiced)... TheMadMonk Jan 2013 #90
Yes, your description is basically correct, but I would note... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #114
It's made to track them--IN THE SCHOOL. Once the student leaves campus, they can remove the MADem Jan 2013 #126
As in Minority Report...see the movie for how evil this can become. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #149
"What's the big deal?" BlueNoteSpecial Jan 2013 #65
+1000 Exactly! nt docgee Jan 2013 #68
They always ask the same question: Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #74
Its a ding dong high school. HS kids have always been... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #86
Ther is a difference between tracking kids Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #101
After visiting the school's web site... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #107
Sounds like it's enabling fraud customerserviceguy Jan 2013 #177
Its up to the state to decide... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #188
the school cares more about the card in the school than the actual child. Sunlei Jan 2013 #178
I think the school cares about the actual child... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #187
A post befitting the name of its poster FiveGoodMen Jan 2013 #131
There are those who... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #150
I'm with the people who wrote the 4th Amendment FiveGoodMen Jan 2013 #165
Unreasonable searches and seizures? I don't see... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #167
Except the tracking is thru roll calls rather than virtual tracking. alp227 Jan 2013 #159
This system really seems to be about school funding... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #162
Instead of rationalizing this invasion of privacy how about a better solution for school funding? alp227 Jan 2013 #163
A better solution for school funding... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #166
So you can't trust teachers to take roll call properly? alp227 Jan 2013 #169
A teacher can't count a kid who is not in the room... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #170
Except if the kid is on campus but NOT IN CLASS...why should the school still get per pupil funding? alp227 Jan 2013 #171
They are using state standards for attendance. You would have to ask the state. NT reACTIONary Jan 2013 #172
What stops skipping kids from hanging their badges in their lockers or the restrooms or DeschutesRiver Jan 2013 #184
RFIDs are clearly all about the money.... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #185
Kids will hang their RFID badges in the school, then not attend classes. DeschutesRiver Jan 2013 #191
Interesting points. But they aren't civil rights issues. NT reACTIONary Jan 2013 #195
Well, the people--or in this case, the person--didn't prevail. MADem Jan 2013 #127
Welcome to DU and thank you for the great reply. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2013 #152
Yep, the deer in the headlight people, the I never did anything wrong crowd, RKP5637 Jan 2013 #155
It is wrong because 1984 was a cautionary tale Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #70
exactly. ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2013 #80
plus is there is the ongoing cost to maintain Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #99
The culture of subservience Cynicus Emeritus Jan 2013 #112
and some think of it as an instruction manual. ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2013 #120
Quite a few right here on DU. Occulus Jan 2013 #137
^^^THIS^^^ BlueNoteSpecial Jan 2013 #83
More teachers, books and decent hot lunches.... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #87
I seriously doubt that the 30 seconds required to call the roll Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #94
It takes more than 30 seconds, and attendance reports have to be filled in... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #103
Don't make us laugh. Occulus Jan 2013 #138
Getting rid of the testing... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #140
Why bring it up? Here, I'll quote you: Occulus Jan 2013 #142
RE: If you want more time to actually teach, stop teaching to the test. reACTIONary Jan 2013 #160
drip by drop, by cover of labyrinthine code masquerading as law, and sealed with the kiss of years Mutatis Mutandis Jan 2013 #175
Very poetic. Changed things having been changed... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #189
RFID works both ways. TheBlackAdder Jan 2013 #71
Let me see, Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #77
Well, I didn't see the price, but... TheBlackAdder Jan 2013 #115
Ah, that explains the "revenue" Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #183
This is a pilot program to see if it is cost effective... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #117
"Their interest is increasing school revenues. " Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #182
The school gets funding from the state... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #186
Again, the question is Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #190
OK. But that just isn't a civil rights issue. NT reACTIONary Jan 2013 #194
The data on the RFID is a simple arbitrary serial number... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #116
Easy solution. Home school. n/t Tempest Jan 2013 #2
easier solution: don't tag kids like cattle. TeamPooka Jan 2013 #5
Questions for you Tempest Jan 2013 #8
You first. nt Javaman Jan 2013 #14
That's a cop-out. Adios. Tempest Jan 2013 #19
LOLOL Javaman Jan 2013 #64
NO. NO. GeorgeGist Jan 2013 #21
Ben Franklin would not approve. nm rhett o rick Jan 2013 #31
The next accessory for the AR-14 will be an RFID tracker. Feel safer now? leveymg Jan 2013 #55
What??? atreides1 Jan 2013 #72
How would have tracking students Kelvin Mace Jan 2013 #79
Because it took a while to find all the students, as some had run away. jeff47 Jan 2013 #93
"think of the children" is always a piss-poor excuse. Occulus Jan 2013 #139
+1 million Ter Jan 2013 #27
What's wrong with a student id card? And what's wrong with making easy to read? NT reACTIONary Jan 2013 #36
After all the Jones and Teabagger ravings, TX has more surveillance than ever... freshwest Jan 2013 #3
They do give a damn Ter Jan 2013 #28
Time to require all judges to wear tracker RFID The Second Stone Jan 2013 #4
Can we RFID Congress? TeamPooka Jan 2013 #6
Why bother? Tab Jan 2013 #17
Think Vitter. ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2013 #81
I'm sure judges, as well as other court employees, have id cards... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #37
The family is represented by the Rutherford Institute... DonViejo Jan 2013 #7
How does that matter? I wouldn't allow a daughter or son or mine to wear one KoKo Jan 2013 #9
Statement of fact; nothing more, nothing less. eom DonViejo Jan 2013 #12
Why not? Robb Jan 2013 #16
Could this be why we have a 2nd Amendment? Cynicus Emeritus Jan 2013 #10
No, that's why we have the FOURTH Amendment BainsBane Jan 2013 #11
Nah, s/he's just concerned about the "slippery slope." crim son Jan 2013 #33
The Second Amendment has nothing to do with violence Cynicus Emeritus Jan 2013 #111
So what is the utility of the Second Amendment in this case? BainsBane Jan 2013 #113
What then does it have to do with "bending over...?" LanternWaste Jan 2013 #133
It means we must bend over to the corporate elite Cynicus Emeritus Jan 2013 #144
nice signature line daschess1987 Jan 2013 #20
Ever heard of ALEC ThoughtCriminal Jan 2013 #32
You are going to shoot people dead... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #34
Let us hope she doesn't learn that it's okay to "cast away that which offends". Trillo Jan 2013 #13
The school offered to remove the RFID. Its just an id card. Big deal. NT reACTIONary Jan 2013 #38
Suspensions are never a big deal to third parties. NT Trillo Jan 2013 #47
What I meant by "not a big deal" was... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #49
Sorry, I added to my post above, didn't see your reply. Trillo Jan 2013 #51
The original article when this first came out said tammywammy Jan 2013 #63
Given that she thinks the RFID is the "mark of the beast" and... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #118
I read some of the pdf tammywammy left. Trillo Jan 2013 #143
Start a whitehouse.org pettition to grant her the diploma... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #154
Glad they didn't have those my senior year Canoe52 Jan 2013 #15
If they installed an RFID reader in the trees across the street from school JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2013 #56
And I'd have missed out on many deep dish pizza lunches FiveGoodMen Jan 2013 #193
This is a tough one. Joe Shlabotnik Jan 2013 #18
Without the religious angle, on what grounds would you challenge it? NT reACTIONary Jan 2013 #39
I dunno Joe Shlabotnik Jan 2013 #42
How is issuing a student id to be construed as a search? NT reACTIONary Jan 2013 #45
Simply because thier presence or absence is suddenly suspicious Joe Shlabotnik Jan 2013 #48
I don't know about a kid's presence in school being suspicious... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #50
because the school has no real authority Joe Shlabotnik Jan 2013 #52
They definitely are interested in collecting tax dollars from the state... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #119
the school will know where... neovente Jan 2013 #84
Fun to watch the reverse gymnastics. LanternWaste Jan 2013 #134
Big Brother Angry Dragon Jan 2013 #22
Could move to employers saying take or leave it too if you take it off at lunch no pay lunasun Jan 2013 #108
Neither think Jan 2013 #128
The district said it would allow her to continue attending school with the battery and chip removed tomm2thumbs Jan 2013 #23
A card around the neck? Whoa. I'd object, too. How horrible. What's the purpose? Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #24
Everybody where I work has an id card, and we wear them so others can see them... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #40
School is not work Ash_F Jan 2013 #69
Student id cards are ubiquitous in schools. With thousands of kids in each school... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #85
Then you are misinformed Ash_F Jan 2013 #88
I'm pretty sure that teachers at this school... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #96
That is a completely different argument then where we began Ash_F Jan 2013 #102
You reminded me of what it was like to be in high school, and I visited... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #105
They aren't used to track every micro second of the worker's time at work. LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #78
And why would you think that is done at this school? No where does it say... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #82
Read the article again. LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #89
Instead, I went to the school's web site... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #92
If it tracks, it tracks. Employers who read e-mails also keep track of info from trackers. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #147
You don't see wealthy people with cards hanging around their necks, do you? Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #146
Actually, I see several wealthy people, every day or so, wearing them... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #153
You got me there...except I'm gonna guess he's at a special event Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #157
A few thoughts... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #158
There's always a stated "good reason" for restrictions on one's liberty. Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #161
I'd say, yes, there always should be a good reason... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #164
FYI, Another rich guy with an id around his neck... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #168
All employees where I work wear a badge. tammywammy Jan 2013 #192
I would not have liked being tracked at all in school or work, but I can see the benefits of this. Sunlei Jan 2013 #25
until that student doesn't show up in the right classroom at the right time SemperEadem Jan 2013 #59
true but some high school students are pretty clever :) Sunlei Jan 2013 #173
the day they can split themselves into two is one I'll be waiting for... SemperEadem Jan 2013 #181
But sometimes a good end doesn't justify the means. Honeycombe8 Jan 2013 #148
international conversations, communications. Sunlei Jan 2013 #174
I'm so happy I don't have to even care about Politicalboi Jan 2013 #26
well when you do have children SemperEadem Jan 2013 #60
When we reach the point of RFID Trackers in schools, armed teachers, endless RKP5637 Jan 2013 #29
I honestly don't have a strong opinion either way concerning this issue... defacto7 Jan 2013 #54
In the future what do you imagine a police state run school would be like? lunasun Jan 2013 #109
Yep!!! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2013 #125
Much like a Dickensian workhouse. LanternWaste Jan 2013 #135
My main objection to it is the use of SSN in the implementation of the device. LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #30
A couple of points... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #43
Why would there be a huge traffic jam for a school LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #73
It would be a huge traffic jam because... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #91
It doesn't use actual SSNs jeff47 Jan 2013 #95
Schools do not use SSNs for student ID numbers anymore. yellowcanine Jan 2013 #106
Step by step, inch by inch, creeping stealthily into 1984. blkmusclmachine Jan 2013 #41
Could be a lot of job creation out of that... I'd gladly apply to work at an RFID factory. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jan 2013 #44
My TV? I've got a camera and a microphone installed in my computer... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #46
It's already here... sickwidit Jan 2013 #100
And your laptop, your iPad, your cell phone... the list goes on. :) Thegonagle Jan 2013 #132
The Urban High School I went to had LarryNM Jan 2013 #53
They have too many students in the schools. LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #75
I looked up on the school district's web site. They have... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #121
So far you haven't understood anything I have posted. LiberalFighter Jan 2013 #145
Sorry about that. I'll have another look. (NT) reACTIONary Jan 2013 #151
They don't seem to have a security problem... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #122
Good!! SkyDaddy7 Jan 2013 #57
is it really that much of a security feature SemperEadem Jan 2013 #61
Just Disable the Chip Macoy51 Jan 2013 #62
Yes, because the students benefit greatly when they're marked absent for weeks. jeff47 Jan 2013 #97
While Turning in course Work Macoy51 Jan 2013 #176
Because the teacher's written grade book is integrated with the RFID computer jeff47 Jan 2013 #179
What do the gay kids wear ripcord Jan 2013 #66
wrap it in tin foil in a stylish manner or find a stylish metal case to protect it with dembotoz Jan 2013 #67
Misleading because district agreed to allow her to wear an ID without the chip. yellowcanine Jan 2013 #76
Much ado about nothing. randome Jan 2013 #98
Some of the "Rapturists" do think that bar codes are the mark of the Beast. yellowcanine Jan 2013 #104
+10 (NT) reACTIONary Jan 2013 #123
Money and danger involved lunasun Jan 2013 #110
The names and addresses don't help RFID tracking... reACTIONary Jan 2013 #124
My sons went in the microwave. Xithras Jan 2013 #129
Yes, destroying the RFID chip is a simple solution, and works well. hunter Jan 2013 #136
Far better reaction than all the ho-humming elsewhere in this thread. (nt) Posteritatis Jan 2013 #141
By introducint RFID tags to school children the system is avebury Jan 2013 #130
This is not good tawadi Jan 2013 #156
but just think.... actslikeacarrot Jan 2013 #180
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