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Response to plethoro (Reply #31)

Mon Dec 31, 2012, 11:46 AM

34. When you begin with, "the corporatists who direct Obama" you lose all credibility.

NOT A SINGLE POL who is in Congress is clean of corporate money, be it from Unions to KockBros money. To single out President Obama is to show ignorance of the facts. You do know that Labor Unions are incorporated as well, right? Don't you like labor unions?

Obama's discussed his intent to cut Social Security in a meeting with George Will and Steven Barlett even before inaguration.

Can I get a link to that accusation?

And now to Obamacare. How many companies are going to discontinue employee paid health insurance in 2014 when Obamacare takes over?


Employee-based health care is NOT a good thing. I know you were taught that it is, but it really isn't true. Every western civilized and wealthy country DOES NOT buy their health care from employers. They buy their own and they pay a monthly premium FAR LESS than in the United States from private companies. Yep. Germany, Holland, France, Belgium . . . they all buy their own health care insurance from corporate health insurance companies and they have it MUCH better than we do even with employer-based health care.

Also, consider the savings to you through the Medical Loss Ratio (an ObamaCare provision) when the employer buys the health insurance for you. If the health insurance company doesn't meet the Medical Loss Ratio (use 80% of premiums for the insured, 85% benchmark for employers) they MUST issue you a refund of said premiums. So even though you pay your part for employer-based health insurance, you won't get the savings paid back to you. Your employer does. How is that a good thing?

Also, starting October 2013, there will be TWO U.S. Supported health insurance companies the Heritage Foundation called, "a robust public option", which was also contained in the PPACA (ObamaCare).

Yes, we're so far apart because I understand that President Obama isn't the bogeyman some on this MB claim he is based on what he's already gotten done for us.

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