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28. DC is a short ride from VA, which has lax gun control

Reply to hack89 (Reply #16)

Fri Dec 28, 2012, 07:22 PM

Dec 2012

And Chicago is surrounded by suburbs with little or no gun control.

But you knew this, right?

Why so dishonest?

RL

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NYC annual murder tally at record low [View all] jpak Dec 2012 OP

If anybody is still skeptical about whether gun control works, Jamaal510 Dec 2012 #1

So what lessons do Chicago, Philly and DC teach us? hack89 Dec 2012 #8

Pennsylvania has famously weak gun control CreekDog Dec 2012 #13

Don't want to talk about Chicago and DC? Don't blame you. nt hack89 Dec 2012 #15

i want to talk about why you tried to pull a fast one on people here. CreekDog Dec 2012 #18

So I was wrong about Philly. I am right about Chicago and DC hack89 Dec 2012 #19

you're saying that one or two exceptions means gun control doesn't work? CreekDog Dec 2012 #20

Did you see what the police commissioner said was the difference hack89 Dec 2012 #21

again, you are basing your argument on one example to prove a trend CreekDog Dec 2012 #23

So give me a city that did not use racial profiing hack89 Dec 2012 #24

San Francisco, with a homicide rate of 5.9, lower than NYC CreekDog Dec 2012 #25

But Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Cincinnati, Newark, Los Angeles and DC hack89 Dec 2012 #40

i asked you if your standard for effective gun control is that 100% correlation? CreekDog Dec 2012 #45

So gun control is the reason for low murder rates in some CA cities hack89 Dec 2012 #49

but there is a correlation, you just think that if it's not 100% correlation, it's zero CreekDog Dec 2012 #53

Illegal gun ownership you mean? hack89 Dec 2012 #55

and to your lies? please address your lies about Ohio and Michigan gun laws here CreekDog Dec 2012 #57

Still avoiding the awkward question I see. nt hack89 Dec 2012 #60

What determines a state having lax gun laws? Bay Boy Dec 2012 #84

Hack89 was calling the gun laws in OH and MI tough, like Ny, NJ and CA CreekDog Dec 2012 #93

Yes, see below from Yavin4, and that is the issue. NYC doesnt border a state with lax gun control stevenleser Dec 2012 #29

That really pisses me off when gun trolls pull that "Chicago has a handgun ban" crap. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2012 #35

Gun liars bongbong Dec 2012 #37

There will be no meaningful changes hack89 Dec 2012 #59

I'll bet on something else bongbong Dec 2012 #91

Not as big as yours I would imagine. hack89 Dec 2012 #92

Thank You!!!! This is it! DevonRex Dec 2012 #36

Poverty, crime, drugs, gangs and desperation the issue here hack89 Dec 2012 #42

Of course -- LTX Dec 2012 #44

I think government can fix those problems. hack89 Dec 2012 #54

the issue in this thread is your continuing effort to lie to other posters about gun laws CreekDog Dec 2012 #47

Washington, DC. 479 murders in 1990, this year we've reached only 87. kwassa Dec 2012 #81

I know - people don't appreciate just how far murder rates have fallen. nt hack89 Dec 2012 #88

Since you love to call other posters liars former9thward Dec 2012 #90

Philly cannot by law have stricter gun regulation than PA CreekDog Dec 2012 #94

It seems the PA Supreme Court disagrees with you. former9thward Dec 2012 #95

the point stands regardless of a "lost and stolen" provision in local statutes CreekDog Dec 2012 #98

If you are a liberal you are one of the most intolerant I have seen. former9thward Dec 2012 #100

the argument Hack made was that Philly had tough gun laws, which they don't, period. CreekDog Dec 2012 #103

I Can Talk about DC. I grew up there. Yavin4 Dec 2012 #22

You mean VA, with its *much* lower murder rate? Recursion Dec 2012 #66

Tells Me That VA Does Not Have The Same Socio-Economic Factors Driving Gun Violence Yavin4 Dec 2012 #79

nope bossy22 Dec 2012 #9

Yup. nt NYC_SKP Dec 2012 #26

It must be because of the smaller sodas. hughee99 Dec 2012 #2

One fifth of the number of murders there used to be Kolesar Dec 2012 #4

Cue the NRA's snark-bots! villager Dec 2012 #3

While we are waiting for them, perhaps you can explain hack89 Dec 2012 #12

Philadelphia doesn't have strict gun control --oh, they'd like to, but the state forbids it CreekDog Dec 2012 #14

That still leaves Chicago and DC. How do you explain their murder rates? nt hack89 Dec 2012 #16

DC is a short ride from VA, which has lax gun control RetroLounge Dec 2012 #28

yep, NJ also has strict gun control... and the most violent parts are adjacent to PA. bettyellen Dec 2012 #30

Exactly. These areas are smack-dab next to NRA wet-dream zones. villager Dec 2012 #32

so, we ban the guns and continue to watch the economic implosion . . . Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #34

Yeah, that's exactly what he DIDN'T say RetroLounge Dec 2012 #38

no shit Sherlock. notice the question mark at the end of my Question. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #43

No, I didn't, I noticed you making shit up RetroLounge Dec 2012 #72

thank-you, Mr. Snark. Your condescending attitude is duly noted. Tuesday Afternoon Dec 2012 #78

Ooh, now THAT is really quite the come-back... RetroLounge Dec 2012 #86

ideally, we tackle both.... villager Dec 2012 #80

Yet VA has a much lower murder rate then DC so how can it be the guns? hack89 Dec 2012 #41

minutes away from lax gun laws in Indiana CreekDog Dec 2012 #46

One thing we do know hack89 Dec 2012 #48

one thing we know: you continually post lies to win arguments CreekDog Dec 2012 #51

So those surrounding areas have equally high rates of violence hack89 Dec 2012 #50

before we move on, what about your lies about the gun laws in Michigan and Ohio? CreekDog Dec 2012 #52

All those states have enjoyed historic drops in gun violence hack89 Dec 2012 #56

you said they had strict gun laws, you are lying CreekDog Dec 2012 #58

If they work then they are strict enough. hack89 Dec 2012 #61

everyone sees your other posts, they know you are dissembling CreekDog Dec 2012 #63

And you hurt your cause by refusing to acknowledge hack89 Dec 2012 #69

you still won't talk about the lies you posted about Ohio and Michigan CreekDog Dec 2012 #62

And you will keep ignoring the awkward issue hack89 Dec 2012 #64

gun control is MORE likely because of the way you've argued in this thread CreekDog Dec 2012 #65

There will be no significant gun control legislation. hack89 Dec 2012 #71

My excuse for chicago? RetroLounge Dec 2012 #70

Yet Chicago has enjoyed historic drops in gun violence hack89 Dec 2012 #73

I answered the question you ignored above. RetroLounge Dec 2012 #74

And I showed the illogic of your answer. hack89 Dec 2012 #75

You only think you did RetroLounge Dec 2012 #76

The facts speak for themselves hack89 Dec 2012 #77

I'm not certain that your conclusions are complete, either. There are causes beyond the ones kwassa Dec 2012 #83

Yeah, those 20 kids were safe too RetroLounge Dec 2012 #85

I am not arguing for more guns. hack89 Dec 2012 #87

When backed into a corner- Lovejoy! friendly_iconoclast Dec 2012 #104

You can try and fool other posters but you can't fool me. former9thward Dec 2012 #89

I also grew up in Chicago, and the laws used to be a lot less restrictive RetroLounge Dec 2012 #96

Yes IN is. former9thward Dec 2012 #97

Houston has 1/2 the murder rate of Chicago, with few gun restrictions friendly_iconoclast Jan 2013 #105

Fruits of stop-and-frisk hack89 Dec 2012 #5

There Were 20 First Graders Whose Civil Rights Were Disregarded, Recently. Paladin Dec 2012 #10

Are you familiar with stop and frisk? hack89 Dec 2012 #11

I think it is more then mostly Ohio Joe Dec 2012 #17

on the other side of this, because of stop-and-frisk kwassa Dec 2012 #82

So New York went from BELOW the national average in Murder, to the top, then down? happyslug Dec 2012 #6

Not surprising, as you need at least $250K a year to survive in NYC - downandoutnow Dec 2012 #7

So only poor people murder? JackRiddler Dec 2012 #27

Sorry! -- I was joking about the whole "250K to survive" thing. downandoutnow Dec 2012 #33

I'm sorry too - it's all good. JackRiddler Dec 2012 #39

Only? No. Mostly? Yes. (nt) Recursion Dec 2012 #67

Bloomberg is a good guy? Really? JoeyT Dec 2012 #31

Bloomberg is the singular biggest populist in the nation & the biggest enviornmentalist graham4anything Dec 2012 #102

Just about every city's murder rate every year has been a record low for several years Recursion Dec 2012 #68

Too bad Chicago and strict gun laws are at a record murder pace. Zax2me Dec 2012 #99

Congratulations Mike Bloomberg. Rejoin the Democrat party, and if Hillary45 for some reason don't graham4anything Dec 2012 #101

(ahem) DemocratIC Party :) nt Nine Jan 2013 #106