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Response to earthside (Original post)

Wed Dec 19, 2012, 05:36 PM

10. Where do they get this Stat?

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The FBI reports the following Murders in the US in the following Categories:

Single victim/single offender 6,284.0 48.4
Single victim/unknown offender or offenders 3,766.0 29.0
Single victim/multiple offenders 1,641.0 12.6
Multiple victims/single offender 759.0 5.8
Multiple victims/multiple offenders 197.0 1.5
Multiple victims/unknown offender or offenders 349.0 2.7

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl04.xls

Thus the total of multiple victims (I am assuming 2 or more) is 1305 victims in 2010. If we assume only 2 victims per incidents that comes to 652 incidents (one of which had to have had three victims).

Now Mother Jones seems to be the source, but they make it clear it is their study of reported mass killings NOT the FBIs:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/07/mass-shootings-map

I do have to make a comment about the Mother Jones Article, a related article points out that NONE of the mass murders they counted were stopped by a person with a weapon (Most ended with the suicide of the shooter, or they surrender to the Police when they were cornered). They were able to "prove" this point by excluding cases where a Civilian stopped a mass murder attempt before more then one person was killed (The Penn State incident is the classic example, the shooter had opened fire, but a student then attacked the shooter from a blind side and managed to disarm the shooter after the Shooter had killed one and wounded three, but since the shooter only killed one, the shooter did not make the Mother Jones list of Mass Murders, but I should also point out that is the only incident I know of where a Civilian stopped such a mass murder attempt and then by physical muscle, the student who STOPPED the Shooter did NOT even have a weapon when the Student tried to stop the Shooter).

More on the Penn State Shooting of 1996.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetzel_Union_Building_shooting

Please note, the Shooter had the weapon to do a lot of killing, a 7mm Bolt Action Mauser may sound obsolete, but it is still a very good killing machine and if the shooter had NOT been attacked she would have killed a lot more Penn State Students.


Most Murders do NOT mean more then one victim, and most rates are DOWN except for Gangland killings and Rape (Others peak in 2008 or 2009 and subsequently dropped but most just dropped from 2006 onward), :

Circumstances.....................................2006......2007......2008...... 2009.......2010
Total................................................15,087....14,915....14,204...13,752....12,996
Felony type total:........................ .......2,472.....2,204.......2,115....2,052......1,923
Rape..................................................... 32.......32..............22........ 24...........41
Robbery.............................................1,053.....935............930.......857.........780
Burglary..................................................80.......86..............88......110............80
Larceny-theft............................................6........10..............18........13...........20
Motor vehicle theft...................................16........20..............20........23...........37
Arson.....................................................27........59..............27........38...........35
Prostitution and commercialized vice...........8..........11...............8..........6.............5
Other sex offenses.................................18..........10..............12........10...........14
Narcotic drug laws................................806.........590............500......496.........463
Gambling.................................................4............4..............15..........5............7
Othernot specified...............................412........447.............475......470........441
Suspected felony type.............................57..........67.............100........56.........66
Other than felony type total:...............7,328......7,165..........6,979...6,796.....6,351
Romantic triangle..................................104.........105............102.........88........90
Child killed by babysitter..........................27...........35..............50........29........36
Brawl due to influence of alcohol.............106.........118............130.......117.......121
Brawl due to influence of narcotics............53...........65.............70.........94.........58
Argument over money or property..........198.........192...........193........205.......181
Other arguments................................3,644......3,695........3,560.....3,364....3,215
Gangland killings...................................121...........78.......... 135........177.......176
Juvenile gang killings..............................864.........678..........700........715........673
Institutional killings...................................22..........11...........14..........12..........17
Sniper attack.............................................2............1.............7............1...........3
Othernot specified.......................... .2,187........2,187......2,018......1,994.....1,781
Unknown............................................5,230.......5,479......5,010......4,848.....4,656

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl12.xls

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