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caseymoz

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2. First, we have a growing population.
Tue Jan 24, 2012, 01:37 PM
Jan 2012

That means more wealth has to be created to assure the newest generation's survival.

Second, and this one's theoretical, i.e. what I believe: entropy. If you haven't noticed, things fall apart, they need to be maintained or recreated, even for a sustaining population. You can recycle, but the more you cycle it through the less you can actually use. This is both a physical and an economic phenomenon. If you wonder why currencies tend to inflate over time, though not at the same rate, I think that's actually why. It is harder to do things in the future than it is in the present, and it will always be.

Third, social maintenance. In order for nation-states to hang together and people to live together harmoniously, they must do some combination of give the masses at the bottom of the social rung some benefit in return for allowing the wealthy to gain riches and live relatively safe, they must promise such benefits, and/or they must police. Except for the promises, two of those require growth. The second one requires some sign, now and then, that the promises can and will be fulfilled.

And there may be others, but those are the main ones I could think of.

Why do we need so much growth? I've always thought we could do well well enough with less productivity, since a lot of things are being automated now, meaning so many people will end up unemployed.

I've never really fully understood dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #1
First, we have a growing population. caseymoz Jan 2012 #2
All good points dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #3
Replacement, to me, is not really growth. JDPriestly Jan 2012 #6
Not growth? So what happens to the items replaced? caseymoz Jan 2012 #13
You are making my point. JDPriestly Jan 2012 #18
It doesn't matter if I made your point. caseymoz Jan 2012 #29
As caseymoz says, population changes muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #5
"an ageing one, with more time spent in retirement" dipsydoodle Jan 2012 #8
Profits to Skim Demeter Jan 2012 #7
Every institution we've built requires it The2ndWheel Jan 2012 #10
capitalism is based on the need for growth. dixiegrrrrl Jan 2012 #11
because the financial system is based on leverage magical thyme Jan 2012 #12
All the replies so far are spot-on. They also make the future look pretty bleak NickB79 Jan 2012 #21
As serious as this is, no news here. caseymoz Jan 2012 #4
Actually, it isn't so much the EU that has to do something about the crisis. JDPriestly Jan 2012 #9
Something I've never heard mentioned yet: caseymoz Jan 2012 #14
Yes. Schwarzenegger loved issuing bonds. JDPriestly Jan 2012 #15
Also in the interest of the wealthy to buy public assets now privatized as part of austerity suffragette Jan 2012 #20
Yes have government sell off assets to pay bonds caseymoz Jan 2012 #23
Please let me know so I can participate in that discussion suffragette Jan 2012 #25
It's up. caseymoz Jan 2012 #28
Your opinion carla Jan 2012 #17
Eurozone crisis malarky? caseymoz Jan 2012 #26
Scaremongering and currency manipulation, carla Jan 2012 #16
BBC complicity? Guardian, AFP, euronews, and ... Press TV? muriel_volestrangler Jan 2012 #19
And when they all carla Jan 2012 #24
Why wouldn't the European Union be the propaganda caseymoz Jan 2012 #27
When in doubt, role out the Battleship Potemkin tactic. It never gets old. Vidar Jan 2012 #22
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