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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
201. Alrighty
Tue Dec 11, 2012, 09:25 AM
Dec 2012

I really don't think you have an accurate handle on the historical events involved during this period. I am sure you probably feel the same way about me. This looks to be one of those situations where neither one of us is going to convince the other of anything, so I am happy to just leave it there.

Yes, a one state, secular solution. Call it Palestine. Problem solved. on point Dec 2012 #1
So, eliminate Israel? Facinating. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #2
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #3
I think the most likely short-term "solution" is a division of land a la what happened in... Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #13
Bantustans have another name more familiar to Americans: Reservations. Xithras Dec 2012 #34
uh "final solution"...really? Ken Burch Dec 2012 #108
I noted that too. Chan790 Dec 2012 #200
Why not call it Late To Dinner? Scootaloo Dec 2012 #4
'Southern Levant'? muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #10
or "Debbie". Ken Burch Dec 2012 #113
Because Israel is a religious state that was the mistake in the first place on point Dec 2012 #8
And a Palestinian state won't be? Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #38
The ONLY way to do that is to oppose ALL further settlement expansion. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #70
I oppose all settlements in the West Bank. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #74
Thank you at least for opposing all settlements. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #79
Since Palestinians are not one religion, clearly it won't be Recursion Dec 2012 #154
That's an absurd assuption. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #159
If only there were a multi-religious Arab state, perhaps just north of Israel Recursion Dec 2012 #161
One already exists in Jewish form, it just seems to be offensive to so many. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #163
One of the most ill-informed posts I've seen here in a long time oberliner Dec 2012 #162
Actually, it wasn't so much a religious as an ethnic/cultural state. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #124
Well, when the majority of residents are not Jews, probably not going to be a Jewish state. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #17
So I assume you favor dissolution of all the Islamic states. former9thward Dec 2012 #21
I favor democracy and self-determination. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #27
There shouldn't be any religious-based states. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #81
Ahh no. former9thward Dec 2012 #104
Not the point. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #106
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Dec 2012 #147
We'll let you try reading that post again. former9thward Dec 2012 #148
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Dec 2012 #151
Sorry for the snark. former9thward Dec 2012 #166
Eliminate America!(1960) Eliminate South Africa!(1980) Ash_F Dec 2012 #22
South Africa didn't get eliminated. But it did have regime change. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #28
Indeed but the right wingers loved to use that argument back then. Ash_F Dec 2012 #30
If current demographic trends persist, by 2050 Israel will have a majority Arab population. (Right coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #189
And yet, that is excatly what the poster to whom I responded believes that. Do you? Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #37
Israel destroyed itself. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #45
Kool-aid. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #51
It is a matter of physical reality that the Israelis setttlements are too entwined geek tragedy Dec 2012 #53
No, it isn't. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #54
I would have preferred a two-state solution. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #55
More kool-aid, so since I don't have a coupon. I am not buying this anymore. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #57
No, you're drinking the "the country dominated by pro-settler poltiical parties geek tragedy Dec 2012 #61
My concern is representation, equality and the pursuit of liberty. Ash_F Dec 2012 #47
Fine...within Israel. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #52
Two-state solution is a fantasy. Netanyahu has always held contempt for the idea, geek tragedy Dec 2012 #56
I do support a two state solution, for now. See my posts to Hack89 in this thread for elaboration. Ash_F Dec 2012 #58
That's good to hear. I will look at your other posts. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #59
so why was recognition of Israel and it's right to exist good enough in 1993 but not now azurnoir Dec 2012 #67
Which has nothing to do with my post. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #75
so your post had nothing to do with Israel being the Jewish State? n/t azurnoir Dec 2012 #77
A Jewish homeland, the nature of Israel. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #80
ah but I never said the Jews can not have a national homeland azurnoir Dec 2012 #83
Then it was pointless as that was not the topic of discussion. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #84
I asked you question that it seems you are unwilling answer azurnoir Dec 2012 #88
It has nothing to do with DU'ers which is why your absurd strawman was ignored. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #90
lol so now you throw in another crimson Clupeidae? azurnoir Dec 2012 #94
This message was self-deleted by its author Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #97
How about "Israel-Palestine"? That way, everybody's represented? Ken Burch Dec 2012 #69
How about two separate states? Why is that so offensive? Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #78
It's not offensive to me...but most Palestinians AREN'T trying to get rid of Israel any more. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #85
Then perhaps you should also point your attention at those calling for Israel's removal. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #89
The subthread with you two was just a discussion of the name of a country. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #93
No, it wasn't. Don't insult me. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #95
Why DIDN'T I confront him, then? Ken Burch Dec 2012 #99
On point does not. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #100
UH...what? Ken Burch Dec 2012 #101
Are you sure you were following this sub-thread? On point is the one to whom I asked the question! Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #102
Oh, sorry. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #105
Because the settlements have made that impossible Recursion Dec 2012 #155
According to you and the propaganda you are reading and peddling. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #160
No, South Africa wasn't "gotten rid of" either Recursion Dec 2012 #168
But, it is still a false analogy. Too bad you can't see it. Carry on. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #170
What a stunning refutation! "It's a false analogy". If you have an argument, make it. Recursion Dec 2012 #172
Israel and South Africa are countries. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #173
You are factually wrong on that: the bantustans were by protocol separate countries Recursion Dec 2012 #174
Your claim that the Palestinians are trying to destroy Israel cpwm17 Dec 2012 #175
Why does the first map say "Jewish land"? oberliner Dec 2012 #179
Because there was no "Israel" in 1946 or 1947? Recursion Dec 2012 #184
Exactly oberliner Dec 2012 #185
It was British land at that point (nt) Recursion Dec 2012 #190
Yeah oberliner Dec 2012 #191
I'd agree the first panel is somewhat misleading Recursion Dec 2012 #192
This message was self-deleted by its author cpwm17 Dec 2012 #195
These maps make their point cpwm17 Dec 2012 #194
They do indeed oberliner Dec 2012 #196
You can't rightfully create a country for one group on somebody else's land cpwm17 Dec 2012 #198
Alrighty oberliner Dec 2012 #201
This message was self-deleted by its author Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #182
No more than South Africa was eliminated. Recursion Dec 2012 #164
False anaology. But, I am betting you already knew this, given where your other posts are. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #165
Support? No. But there *will* be one state, Israel has seen to that Recursion Dec 2012 #167
Surprising. But, no, your "analysis" is nothing but run-of-the-mill propaganda. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #169
It announces the similarity of a European colonial population controlling a native majority, sure Recursion Dec 2012 #171
European? oberliner Dec 2012 #181
I'm not sure what you're asking. The Ashkenazim are Europeans Recursion Dec 2012 #183
Jewish Palestinians? oberliner Dec 2012 #186
Jewish people whose families have lived in Palestine for millenia Recursion Dec 2012 #187
Most of the Mizrahim are from neighboring Arab countries oberliner Dec 2012 #188
Problem solved? sellitman Dec 2012 #6
Native Americans can at least vote for their congressman today. Ash_F Dec 2012 #29
so are Native American not allowed to live in White settlements are Native Americans not US citizens azurnoir Dec 2012 #68
Arabs have more rights in Israel than in other Arab Nations. sellitman Dec 2012 #120
why is it that Israelli Arabs are always compared to Arabs in other countries? azurnoir Dec 2012 #121
Because sellitman Dec 2012 #130
That's a good question cpwm17 Dec 2012 #131
I understand your post sellitman Dec 2012 #134
History has show that it is Israel that doesn't recognize the Palestinians' right to exist cpwm17 Dec 2012 #142
again do you compare American Blacks standard of living to White America or Blacks in African azurnoir Dec 2012 #135
Why do you think Hamas will support a secular state? tn hack89 Dec 2012 #11
What do you support? Ash_F Dec 2012 #26
I support a two state solution with the dismantling of the settlements. nt hack89 Dec 2012 #33
I think that is a reasonable short term solution. Ash_F Dec 2012 #40
so lets look at the logistics of that azurnoir Dec 2012 #41
They say they are willing to try hack89 Dec 2012 #43
who says they're to try Israeli's ? rrrright that;s why they keep expanding the settlements azurnoir Dec 2012 #44
Time will tell hack89 Dec 2012 #48
"all it takes is one generation" (settler) Girls at War azurnoir Dec 2012 #49
You highlight the difficulty of finding a solution. hack89 Dec 2012 #50
" any doubt they have counterparts on the Palestinian side?" azurnoir Dec 2012 #60
My point is that there are extremists on both sides hack89 Dec 2012 #62
Palestinians wanting to live anywhere in the West Bank which is now recognized as Palestine azurnoir Dec 2012 #64
Gaza is part of Palestine hack89 Dec 2012 #65
ah I was waiting for you pull that one out Gaza azurnoir Dec 2012 #66
So are you saying that Palestine should be absolved of the responsiblities hack89 Dec 2012 #73
so you are saying that the PLO/PA is responsible for what Hamas a different goverment does? azurnoir Dec 2012 #82
So Palestine is not really a country? hack89 Dec 2012 #91
as of right now the country of Palestine is under 2 different governments azurnoir Dec 2012 #92
So Israel is to negotiate separately with each part of Palestine? hack89 Dec 2012 #96
at this point Israel refuses to speak with Hamas azurnoir Dec 2012 #98
I didn't realize the great power I hold. hack89 Dec 2012 #107
Abbas has said he's willing to negotiate n/t azurnoir Dec 2012 #111
But will Hamas agree to any deal brokered by Abbas? hack89 Dec 2012 #116
Really it does not matter at this point in time n/t azurnoir Dec 2012 #122
Nothing can be done until the Hamas problem is solved hack89 Dec 2012 #128
Tell that to the UN azurnoir Dec 2012 #136
That makes it even more imperative hack89 Dec 2012 #137
A majority of Knesset seats are held by pro-settler parties. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #46
with land swaps only around 50K settlers will need to relocate Mosby Dec 2012 #149
so 300,000 Israelis and their IDF protectors will remain in the West Bank? azurnoir Dec 2012 #152
all those settlers live a mile or two from the green line Mosby Dec 2012 #156
again 300,000 Israeli's and their IDF protectors will remain in a Palestinian state azurnoir Dec 2012 #157
Problem is DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #63
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Dec 2012 #150
if he is one, he is a fool DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #193
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Dec 2012 #197
in other words DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #199
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Dec 2012 #202
except none of the parties will accept it. cali Dec 2012 #129
I think John2 Dec 2012 #5
I see no problem if Israeli settlers live under a Palestinian government. TahitiNut Dec 2012 #7
I thought Jews were God's special people so they can do whatever the hell they want to. Maineman Dec 2012 #9
So you believe the U.S. should not support Islamic, Buddhist or Hindu states? former9thward Dec 2012 #23
the US supports plenty of Islamic states dlwickham Dec 2012 #24
The poster I replied to said the U.S. should not support religious based states such as Israel. former9thward Dec 2012 #31
Religious based state is a lot less offensive if a majority of the population geek tragedy Dec 2012 #32
The UN mandate set Israel up as a Jewish state. former9thward Dec 2012 #36
Then it will be an apartheid regime that will earn its place in the history books next to geek tragedy Dec 2012 #39
Since you are interested in history maybe you could include a couple facts. former9thward Dec 2012 #76
Well, Israel has made an Arab state a physical impossibility geek tragedy Dec 2012 #87
Again you turn history on its head. former9thward Dec 2012 #103
Who forced the Israelis to build settlements throughout the West Bank? nt geek tragedy Dec 2012 #109
Maybe the same thing that forced the U.S. to expand beyond the Atlantic coast. former9thward Dec 2012 #117
Oy, so you're a supporter of settlement expansion. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #119
LOL former9thward Dec 2012 #133
the Native Americans were given the right to vote dlwickham Dec 2012 #140
As usual, an Israel supporter gets reality exactly backwards cpwm17 Dec 2012 #110
A complete fabrication. former9thward Dec 2012 #115
Here's the Wikipedia version of the Palestinians' expulsion: cpwm17 Dec 2012 #118
Let's see what Wiki says about its own article: former9thward Dec 2012 #132
You are denying objective reality n/t cpwm17 Dec 2012 #143
The PA recognized Israel in 1994, so you can't say "The Palestinians refuse to recognize Israel" Ken Burch Dec 2012 #112
Try again. former9thward Dec 2012 #114
why do you have to bring facts into this discussion dlwickham Dec 2012 #139
The UN used the terms Jewish State and Arab State to differenciate azurnoir Dec 2012 #42
Absolutely false. former9thward Dec 2012 #72
ah but that is not what I said is it ? n/t azurnoir Dec 2012 #86
One State, the inevitable and fairest end at this point n/t Catherina Dec 2012 #12
Yes. A two-state solution is obvious. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #14
True, Sir: Admonishment Is Needed To Both Sides The Magistrate Dec 2012 #16
We are past the point of present-day admonishments. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #19
It is the Palestinians' unwillingness to agree to specific borders that is establishing JDPriestly Dec 2012 #123
The only offers Israel have been to willing consider are offers which dissect the West Bank- Douglas Carpenter Dec 2012 #125
The Israelis aren't willing to end the occupation or relinquish the cancerous settlements. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #126
The Israelis have destroyed settlements in the past. They certainly could do it again. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #141
In Point Of Fact, Sir The Magistrate Dec 2012 #127
England and Ireland libodem Dec 2012 #15
The policy on the Israeli side is to make a solution impossible. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #20
and we saw how well that worked out for however many years dlwickham Dec 2012 #25
England and Ireland... Xithras Dec 2012 #35
I've advocated the big circle theory before libodem Dec 2012 #71
The UN tried that after 48 Recursion Dec 2012 #158
Yesterday libodem Dec 2012 #176
That's an important myth to quash. There really wasn't tension until the 20th century Recursion Dec 2012 #177
Id always thought about 1948 libodem Dec 2012 #178
You truly have no clue oberliner Dec 2012 #180
Israelis are deep in denial that Zionism and democracy are headed for a divorce. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #18
Uglier and uglier... Blue_Tires Dec 2012 #138
OMG! THE SKY IS FALLING!! EVERYWON PANIC!!! Fozzledick Dec 2012 #144
Then cool – you're for a "one-state solution" cpwm17 Dec 2012 #145
I doubted I'd get any replies way down here but I just had to get it out. Fozzledick Dec 2012 #146
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