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Tumbulu

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106. They seem to be treated by our legal system as property, though
Mon Dec 10, 2012, 06:46 PM
Dec 2012

which is really what I am frustrated about.

the Utah grubs who illegally adopted the kid think they have a god given to right to keep her nt msongs Dec 2012 #1
In Utah, "God Given" really does have something to do with it. Xithras Dec 2012 #24
Fascinating. Thanks for the info. Hekate Dec 2012 #87
Oh, I doubt it was a vengeful thing. Xithras Dec 2012 #88
Oh. My. God. Hekate Dec 2012 #92
what's a grub dlwickham Dec 2012 #63
Web page vanished notadmblnd Dec 2012 #2
Try here dbackjon Dec 2012 #7
Why would marriage status be any determination? dbackjon Dec 2012 #3
Tell that to the LDS Utah legislature. JimDandy Dec 2012 #5
I can think of a number of reasons Lionessa Dec 2012 #8
So the man has no rights? dbackjon Dec 2012 #11
Amen! +1000 DippyDem Dec 2012 #17
Not so black n white as you want things to be. Lionessa Dec 2012 #20
Hmm davidthegnome Dec 2012 #36
No, in THIS case I started with and continue to support the father's position, Lionessa Dec 2012 #39
Thankfully, the law gives all fathers this right Chemisse Dec 2012 #47
In that case we agree davidthegnome Dec 2012 #52
The adoption agency and the adoptive parents were innocent avebury Dec 2012 #95
So prove he's an abusive prick and get a judge to void his parental... TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #46
Interesting. Ordinarily the adoptive parents would be as responsible as birth parents. Chemisse Dec 2012 #48
Normally yes. But also like birth parents, adoptive parents... TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #55
The father was in the military. I thought that avebury Dec 2012 #94
A whole bunch of that applies to fathers as well. Why is it so hard to respect jtuck004 Dec 2012 #18
WTF are you talking about? Lionessa Dec 2012 #21
Leaving people out is as disrespectuful as dissing them. Ask the people who chose all the white jtuck004 Dec 2012 #28
In no way have I said that men should be excluded, Lionessa Dec 2012 #40
You obviously want to live with your own interpretation. Enjoy! n/t jtuck004 Dec 2012 #44
Wrong about the underaged pregnant girls Samurai_Writer Dec 2012 #90
If known and the father is there, as opposed to a one night stand... TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #38
Good point, since the mother's apparently not talking, but Lionessa Dec 2012 #41
Of course then they would have to get permission from the milkman. Chemisse Dec 2012 #49
side question d_r Dec 2012 #51
My number comes from a genetic survey conducted in QLD,... TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #57
If the biological mother consented, I don't think it's human trafficking, Lionessa Dec 2012 #4
It's human trafficking. JimDandy Dec 2012 #12
Adoption = Human trafficking ???!!! So you think all adoption should end, Lionessa Dec 2012 #14
Selling children for money JimDandy Dec 2012 #19
Most adopted children were not unwanted by their bio family me b zola Dec 2012 #60
I sort of doubt that's still the case. Lionessa Dec 2012 #73
Right, the numbers declined in the 1980's me b zola Dec 2012 #81
You seem to lack the understanding Lionessa Dec 2012 #84
You can refuse to read the links provided to you me b zola Dec 2012 #85
Not wanted? Samurai_Writer Dec 2012 #91
The article linked is not there anymore Tumbulu Dec 2012 #6
They KNEW THE FATHER didn't consent dbackjon Dec 2012 #9
An acceptable reason was offered by the mother, Lionessa Dec 2012 #15
Nope. The adoption agency flat-out broke the law. Xithras Dec 2012 #25
Please prove it is illegal in Utah. Lionessa Dec 2012 #27
Uh...how about the fact that the UTAH judge said it was illegal. Xithras Dec 2012 #34
I do not read anywhere that the judge said it was illegal, Lionessa Dec 2012 #42
Under Utah law, it was illegal. Xithras Dec 2012 #70
IF what the agency, adoptive parents, and mother did was illegal, there'd Lionessa Dec 2012 #74
The mother who produced this child Tumbulu Dec 2012 #45
Wow. So you think that soldiers make unfit fathers? Xithras Dec 2012 #56
This article is different than the one in the OP Tumbulu Dec 2012 #69
But it was her own choice! Xithras Dec 2012 #71
Srikes me, you believe ALL DADS ARE DEADBEAT DADS, unless... TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #58
The law gives dad's equal rights with the mom's Tumbulu Dec 2012 #68
Why not read the article yourself? kiva Dec 2012 #78
This message was self-deleted by its author Tumbulu Dec 2012 #86
During the course of this discussion numerous articles have been posted Tumbulu Dec 2012 #102
Children are not property - neither mother nor father owns them. closeupready Dec 2012 #105
They seem to be treated by our legal system as property, though Tumbulu Dec 2012 #106
I wasn't trying to be rude, I was trying to make the point kiva Dec 2012 #107
The articles posted at the bottom of this thread Tumbulu Dec 2012 #110
You errected the first "strawdad". TheMadMonk Dec 2012 #83
So, just because your neighbor was able to sleep through her labors Tumbulu Dec 2012 #103
That mother in all likelihood will come to deeply regret her actions n/t me b zola Dec 2012 #61
The father/husband did not abandon his wife. He was deployed avebury Dec 2012 #96
You are right, when I wrote my comments it was before the articles making this point were posted Tumbulu Dec 2012 #97
I don't want to diminish the many, many cases of abuse that happens dbackjon Dec 2012 #30
I have too. It is disgusting and does a horrible disservice to the parent. Chemisse Dec 2012 #32
Wait one second, are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that an INDIVIDUALS legal rights be determined kelly1mm Dec 2012 #35
But they had God's blessings, according to their statements. DollarBillHines Dec 2012 #16
You win the thread me b zola Dec 2012 #62
Going thru the front page and searching I found this link Lionessa Dec 2012 #10
Yes on reading the whole thing, there seems to be more to the story... Lionessa Dec 2012 #13
The adoption agency and the adoptive parents CLEARLY share blame dbackjon Dec 2012 #31
It is against the law to give away a baby without both parents' consent. Chemisse Dec 2012 #33
It's sad for the child, but the adoptive parents should not have fought it for two years Chemisse Dec 2012 #50
Stanley v. Illinois HeiressofBickworth Dec 2012 #22
Men's rights when it comes to family courts, is the last great civil rights battle. nt aaaaaa5a Dec 2012 #23
If she herself didn't want the baby, HockeyMom Dec 2012 #26
If she herself didn't want the baby JimDandy Dec 2012 #29
Why should she have done that? davidthegnome Dec 2012 #37
Because as you point out, it is the only straight up legal way Lionessa Dec 2012 #43
But it isn't clear. davidthegnome Dec 2012 #53
It makes no sense under ANY circumstances, since, as you said, Chemisse Dec 2012 #59
You say it isn't clear, and then list no other alternatives hoboken123 Dec 2012 #67
Actually, I did mention alternatives. davidthegnome Dec 2012 #77
Adoption is not harmless to the children victimized by it n/t me b zola Dec 2012 #64
that depends.... actslikeacarrot Dec 2012 #65
No it doesn't. me b zola Dec 2012 #66
While that may be true, it's also irrelevant. Xithras Dec 2012 #72
It is completely relevant for this reason: me b zola Dec 2012 #79
I've known many young women who adopted children out. That's true for NONE of them. Xithras Dec 2012 #89
So you support the idea that abortion should be chosen over adoption. Lionessa Dec 2012 #75
I support a woman's right to make an informed choice. n/t me b zola Dec 2012 #80
Post removed Post removed Dec 2012 #82
I am one of four... actslikeacarrot Dec 2012 #104
I am one of many me b zola Dec 2012 #109
Why should she be an incubator, HockeyMom Dec 2012 #101
I think it's great that we live in a country where people can make that kind of choice slackmaster Dec 2012 #54
Actually, it appears no one broke the law, Lionessa Dec 2012 #76
It's called pro-choice for a reason. LisaL Dec 2012 #98
She was 7 months pregnant when she decided Nikia Dec 2012 #100
The article really lacks much of the story behind what happened davidpdx Dec 2012 #93
A lot more information in these articles Tumbulu Dec 2012 #99
I wonder if legal charges could be made avebury Dec 2012 #108
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