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jsmirman

(4,507 posts)
62. The Courts and the Law are so hostile to animal suffering
Mon Jan 23, 2012, 05:00 PM
Jan 2012

I'm not sure if you are aware of how "true threat" doctrine works now - and how hard it is to get someone on these grounds.

The laws - in almost all places - are not set up to view this as more than the destruction of someone's treasured armoire. In fact, that would probably receive a higher value in court.

A law has clearly been broken, so there's that, but first, we have to see how seriously the police look into finding the perpetrator.

Even if they find the perpetrator(s), they've got a law being broken, they have some form of trespass, the intent to intimidate can be worked into the torts that exist as a means to argue for higher damages, but taken in all in all, my belief that anything close to resembling "justice" will be done here is *very* low.

The legal system and the courts are way out of step with how we feel about our animals. Even sympathetic judges find themselves handcuffed by weak or nonexistent law.

And when you get an imbalance like this, to not go crazy, you have to tell yourself that this is one place where you are not waiting. I'm sorry, but I'm not. Keep in mind that when I say "worse than they can imagine," I am *very* creative.

I think I am going to be sick catbyte Jan 2012 #1
My very reaction to the letter n/t Inuca Jan 2012 #21
++ amyrose2712 Jan 2012 #169
republican morals at work. louis-t Jan 2012 #2
Yeah, that about sums it up perdita9 Jan 2012 #24
The local police probably have a good idea who in their community is that crazy and violent. yardwork Jan 2012 #3
Sure, but you are not allowed to profile Rethugs. WingDinger Jan 2012 #6
They could do some investigating. People talk. But they might let it blow over like racist violenc Kolesar Jan 2012 #142
It's Russellville, Arkansas! BlueToTheBone Jan 2012 #227
WE and OCCUPY are next, if we dont win this thing for sanity. FUCK compassionate conservatives. WingDinger Jan 2012 #4
WTF is wrong with those people (the perpetrators)? LonePirate Jan 2012 #5
Unfortunately, we don't have a felony animal cruelty law. sinkingfeeling Jan 2012 #10
Felony? Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #17
So would I! get the red out Jan 2012 #42
I would go for that. EV_Ares Jan 2012 #122
Would you support the death penalty for people who murder humans? FrodosPet Jan 2012 #209
Yes get the red out Jan 2012 #214
It should be classified as a hate crime. n/t japple Jan 2012 #126
It could possibly be classified as "terrorism". Fuddnik Jan 2012 #26
That is exactly what it is: political terrorism. kestrel91316 Jan 2012 #46
yeah, its a terroristic threat arely staircase Jan 2012 #134
that's no threat- that's an act of terrorism. stlsaxman Jan 2012 #163
Actually, Arkansas passed felony animal cruelty laws that were signed into law in 2009. Arkansas Granny Jan 2012 #67
Good. I hope they throw the book at whoever did this. PotatoChip Jan 2012 #212
I think you're mistaken, I will wager there are felony laws against animal cruelty in all states. Bill O-Rights Jan 2012 #135
Three states apparently don't BUT the worst part jsmirman Jan 2012 #140
I absolutely agree, these kinds of crimes are treated with far too little seriousness. Bill O-Rights Jan 2012 #146
The frustrating thing is just how long do we have to wait jsmirman Jan 2012 #177
unfortunately veganlush Jan 2012 #176
a child discovered its dear pet dead on the porch SemperEadem Jan 2012 #241
That is certainly true but is a completely different discussion. I have no problem with eating Bill O-Rights Jan 2012 #245
You mean, all states except Idaho jmowreader Jan 2012 #202
Not everywhere idahoblue Jan 2012 #221
Under the Patriot Act this is classified as terrorism. Seriously. Put the rhett o rick Jan 2012 #217
While it was the cat that died I think this should be tried as a hate crime. This was a threat jwirr Jan 2012 #79
Agreed. All hate crimes are actually two crimes. backscatter712 Jan 2012 #196
Blatant violent threats kenfrequed Jan 2012 #101
Blatant violent threats AlbertCat Jan 2012 #112
Actually, this probably qualifies as terrorism ArcticFox Jan 2012 #223
Simple: They're Republicans Taverner Jan 2012 #237
Oh, I AM ill and devastated. hlthe2b Jan 2012 #7
More TeaTerror. Ian David Jan 2012 #8
Why in the world do I continue to live in this foul place? sinkingfeeling Jan 2012 #9
Psychopaths, that's what we're dealing with. n/t EFerrari Jan 2012 #11
Are they though? U of M Dem Jan 2012 #28
So they aren't psychopaths? Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #32
I think s/he is trying to say that true psychopaths are a minority. However, eridani Jan 2012 #115
Well, there are those who make a living (or a thesis) Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #121
yes, milgram actully quantified the ol' arely staircase Jan 2012 #138
Take a look at history. Horrific actions ARE the norm. TheMadMonk Jan 2012 #242
It isn't the norm but the extreme. When you kill something with this kind of violence, EFerrari Jan 2012 #37
Holy crap! zappaman Jan 2012 #69
extreme, out of the norm. d_r Jan 2012 #72
Actually, animal cruelty is one sign of psychopathic behavior. Don't discount it. tpsbmam Jan 2012 #77
This is the norm? TheCruces Jan 2012 #91
Psychopath and very far from normal. Bosso 63 Jan 2012 #110
It may seem normal considering the culture these days go west young man Jan 2012 #111
Hate radio is even worse. It's unbelievable what is out on the airwaves. yardwork Jan 2012 #181
I wish I had seen the people doing this, I'd have unloaded my "gun culture" on their torsos. Bill O-Rights Jan 2012 #136
yes, yes they are arely staircase Jan 2012 #137
I'm sorry, where did it state that the cat had been shot? BiggJawn Jan 2012 #175
There is a local radio station that preaches hate hate hate BlueToTheBone Jan 2012 #228
Cruelty to animals is one of the early warning signs. backscatter712 Jan 2012 #180
Sad and Pissed Off. Sera_Bellum Jan 2012 #12
Even worse, a little 4 year old boy BlueToTheBone Jan 2012 #229
This is so sad...can't find the words... livetohike Jan 2012 #13
Future serial killers The Wizard Jan 2012 #14
Absolutely correct, future murderers of people often start with animals peace frog Jan 2012 #25
Fire will be next, then attempted homicide TrogL Jan 2012 #50
more: kpete Jan 2012 #15
OMG, the Republican Womack has been giving out their addresses on hate radio! yardwork Jan 2012 #60
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #80
His father has broadcast addresses - CAN'T BE STRESSED ENOUGH Faygo Kid Jan 2012 #113
Radio stations are regulated by the FCC Kolesar Jan 2012 #152
Some time ago some fuckwad radio station was saying some nasty stuff 47of74 Jan 2012 #159
Broadcasters sent hit men to kill obstetricians; I don't recall any federal action Kolesar Jan 2012 #167
Message deleted by the DU Administrators Kolesar Jan 2012 #147
Thanks for posting this samplegirl Jan 2012 #186
Okay, that is just horrible. What on earth is wrong with people? AllyCat Jan 2012 #16
Liberals are way too nice get the red out Jan 2012 #45
Horrible story. Sick and tragic. However, this is a press release and not a mainstream news outlet. Lone_Star_Dem Jan 2012 #18
boy i sure hated kpete Jan 2012 #30
You and me both Lone_Star_Dem Jan 2012 #49
A high percentage of serial killers have animal abuse in their past jtuck004 Jan 2012 #19
It had to be a neighbor- someone who knew who the cat belonged to. BeHereNow Jan 2012 #31
Thats what I was thinking. It had to be someone who knew the guy & also knew he had a cat. It was EV_Ares Jan 2012 #123
Yes, someone who was familiar with the property and the cat- BeHereNow Jan 2012 #192
That was my first thought. geardaddy Jan 2012 #109
OMG, that's sick...Sociopaths.. Ecumenist Jan 2012 #20
That is so sick Lifelong Protester Jan 2012 #22
Some real sick fuckhead. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2012 #23
Guess who else hated and feared cats? KamaAina Jan 2012 #27
Napoleon too. Brigid Jan 2012 #219
OMG, how awful. That's the town where my family & I stayed after Katrina. pacalo Jan 2012 #29
Disgusting, this person needs to be found and put away before they move up to people. ck4829 Jan 2012 #33
But hey, lefty extremists are just as bad as the righty ones, don'cha know. JHB Jan 2012 #34
Yep. The false equivalency is DOA. tblue Jan 2012 #41
That was also my thought straight away.. micraphone Jan 2012 #168
I am not allowed to say what I would do with them Angry Dragon Jan 2012 #35
Me neither 47of74 Jan 2012 #36
Nor am I hifiguy Jan 2012 #58
Can we PLEASE get some damn laws that treat this stuff appropriately? jsmirman Jan 2012 #38
There are plenty who agree with you. Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #43
Thank you! get the red out Jan 2012 #47
I think a good attorney... Wait Wut Jan 2012 #48
The Courts and the Law are so hostile to animal suffering jsmirman Jan 2012 #62
true, heaven forbid SCOTUS should outlaw crush videos wordpix Jan 2012 #85
In truth, that was not a well-written law jsmirman Jan 2012 #92
Agreed. Withywindle Jan 2012 #66
That's why, I'm sorry but jsmirman Jan 2012 #93
PRISON TIME! tblue Jan 2012 #39
And in general population too 47of74 Jan 2012 #68
I just wrote my Congressman (Braley) 47of74 Jan 2012 #40
That is exactly right. This is nothing less than domestic terrorism. snagglepuss Jan 2012 #133
Please be more precise: RIGHT WING domestic terrorism! nt tblue37 Jan 2012 #162
GRRRRRRR! graywarrior Jan 2012 #44
wow. Maine-ah Jan 2012 #51
I am sick. How could anyone do that. meti57b Jan 2012 #52
Sick. That poor baby Ishoutandscream2 Jan 2012 #53
Does anyone remember the film "Cabaret?" DFW Jan 2012 #54
That scene was the first thing that crossed my mind. Mz Pip Jan 2012 #117
Not just animal cruelty, but a terrorist act. Throw the book at them. nt eppur_se_muova Jan 2012 #55
100% agreeance! Moostache Jan 2012 #191
Despicable. n/t YvonneCa Jan 2012 #56
I just donated haydukelives Jan 2012 #57
I just donated to PPFA 47of74 Jan 2012 #61
You just never know what kind of people are walking around your home. dmr Jan 2012 #59
If I was running for office I'd be at the sheriff's office the morning after announcing 47of74 Jan 2012 #63
Who was the first to demonize the word "liberal"? young_at_heart Jan 2012 #64
I have no idea but my first guesses would be Limbaugh or O'Reilly. nt cyberpj Jan 2012 #114
I think it was none other than Shankapotomus Jan 2012 #129
George Bush Sr. caseymoz Jan 2012 #201
"...Run Liberal, Run!" Serve The Servants Jan 2012 #238
My first reaction was suspicion because liberal was spelled correctly. Bonhomme Richard Jan 2012 #65
WTF? JNelson6563 Jan 2012 #70
Now if the cat had been carrying; greiner3 Jan 2012 #71
I'm feeling very sad after reading this.......... Smilo Jan 2012 #73
yes, they are this crazy mrs_p Jan 2012 #74
What a coward whopis01 Jan 2012 #75
The hate radio talking heads are even more cowardly and despicable! LongTomH Jan 2012 #231
Here in Erie unionworks Jan 2012 #76
track down whoever did it rdking647 Jan 2012 #78
I have 2 cats of my own, his house would receive a Molotov Cocktail like I said in ArnoldLayne Jan 2012 #81
if someone where to hurt one of my pets i would hurt them... rdking647 Jan 2012 #104
hope the animal killer is found & put in the slammer for animal abuse wordpix Jan 2012 #82
There is a serious sickness in America The empressof all Jan 2012 #83
Agree 1000% LongTomH Jan 2012 #232
Unbelievable the Weird Liberal Jan 2012 #84
Sick, cruel fucks. Solly Mack Jan 2012 #86
If the culprits are found, will they get as harsh a treatment as Michael Vic? nanabugg Jan 2012 #87
Republicans are a cancer on the planet Downtown Hound Jan 2012 #88
Absolutely correct! SammyWinstonJack Jan 2012 #161
What serial killer would do such a thing? nt MADem Jan 2012 #89
There is a twisted little man from the rural area near our town marzipanni Jan 2012 #90
There was a scene like this in "The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo"... the movie. krispos42 Jan 2012 #94
Thank you for that heads up. Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #97
It was a really good movie, but it was really graphic. krispos42 Jan 2012 #150
I'll take your word for it. Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #158
Now I know why my son warned me away from the book. yardwork Jan 2012 #179
I almost hate to mention this but MedicalAdmin Jan 2012 #108
Excellent point. krispos42 Jan 2012 #149
Conservatives kill helpless pets. aquart Jan 2012 #95
Hate Crime Dragonbreathp9d Jan 2012 #96
You're not going to like this--- Atticus Jan 2012 #157
Time to change the law Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2012 #188
Post removed Post removed Jan 2012 #193
I knew the majority but didn't know Arkansas didn't have any Dragonbreathp9d Jan 2012 #207
Let 4chan loose on them Autumn Colors Jan 2012 #98
Lulz sauce plz Dragonbreathp9d Jan 2012 #208
ReTHUGS malaise Jan 2012 #99
Seriously I want to throw up...... Sick sick sick people.....poor cat. glinda Jan 2012 #100
Sick fuck. City Lights Jan 2012 #102
This is really low..... samplegirl Jan 2012 #103
i would do more than hurt them rdking647 Jan 2012 #105
SICK! SoapBox Jan 2012 #106
Get this story on MSNBC, CNN sighman sezz Jan 2012 #107
It's now up on MSNBC Faygo Kid Jan 2012 #116
Please give me just 5 minutes w/ these "good old boys" Botany Jan 2012 #118
Get in line. 47of74 Jan 2012 #124
I try to be a pacifist, but I believe in self-defense more deutsey Jan 2012 #213
The man's FOUR CHILDREN got out of the car and all saw this. cyberpj Jan 2012 #119
Actually, just one saw it - too young to understand Faygo Kid Jan 2012 #120
Not according to what I read: cyberpj Jan 2012 #127
It is this type of action and thinking ejbr Jan 2012 #125
Please......................... Anyone who can I call to see this samplegirl Jan 2012 #128
Interesting that this happened in Russellville, Womack's hometown Art_from_Ark Jan 2012 #130
Burn this one into your political consciousness, OK, folks? Atticus Jan 2012 #131
+1 stuntcat Jan 2012 #145
Two words: HATE CRIME. derby378 Jan 2012 #132
It's incredibly disturbing, like those documentaries about the klan...eom Kolesar Jan 2012 #141
Police Department 968-3232 Tom McMillen, Chief. Call him. Kolesar Jan 2012 #139
Thank you samplegirl Jan 2012 #187
sick. barbtries Jan 2012 #143
How very Republican. n/t TygrBright Jan 2012 #144
May some karmatic justice be swiftly served to the depraved fucks who did this Blue Owl Jan 2012 #148
This Is Chilling Beyond DallasNE Jan 2012 #151
In tears catrose Jan 2012 #153
I'm in rescue too Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #160
One of my co-workers recently had both her dogs poisoned lunatica Jan 2012 #154
Disgusting! Firebrand Gary Jan 2012 #155
filthy fucking reptiles. marasinghe Jan 2012 #156
Terrarists at work again. lonestarnot Jan 2012 #164
The Southern Poverty Law Center and law enforcement would know if there are loca KKK/militia groups Kolesar Jan 2012 #165
I have no words. Louisiana1976 Jan 2012 #166
:cry: BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2012 #170
Hillary Clinton's "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" is at the core of eyewall Jan 2012 #171
I'm with you!!! newspeak Jan 2012 #218
I just contributed to Mr. Aden, in memory of this beloved pet. Thanks, kpete. nt DeepModem Mom Jan 2012 #172
Political Terrorism fascisthunter Jan 2012 #173
Republican family values at work. BreweryYardRat Jan 2012 #174
If I caught someone doing this to my pets, I'd skin him alive. backscatter712 Jan 2012 #178
I agree with you. Bigleaf Jan 2012 #182
But both sides do it don't you know? MrSlayer Jan 2012 #183
This is outrageously depraved, sick, and satanic. tropicanarose Jan 2012 #184
If they're looking to prove that there are members of their party beyond redemption, truthisfreedom Jan 2012 #185
You have to be worried - what is next Rosa Luxemburg Jan 2012 #189
Why, we are next, of course peace frog Jan 2012 #211
That's appalling!!!! Beacool Jan 2012 #190
NOT A WORD ON MSNBC!?! unionworks Jan 2012 #194
Oh, great. Just great. Ken Burch Jan 2012 #195
That's horrific and yet typical of the repuke mindset just1voice Jan 2012 #197
Jesus. I'm going to go have a good cry now. Matariki Jan 2012 #198
Think progress has the photo -- warning, it's graphic :(((( chatnoir Jan 2012 #199
Thank you for not posting the link. Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #200
Why didn't you post it? nt AverageJoe90 Jan 2012 #220
Please don't post that image here. Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #233
That poor creature! caseymoz Jan 2012 #203
Can they charge terorism? This is clearly a threat/intimidation, more than animal cruelty. Liberty Belle Jan 2012 #204
4chan is on this REP Jan 2012 #205
Oh no, not 4chan. Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #206
This is just an apppetizer DonCoquixote Jan 2012 #210
While we'll see the validity of this story soon and get more details, chrisa Jan 2012 #215
"I've got a gun and I know how to use it," Burris told Blue Arkansas. sinkingfeeling Jan 2012 #216
This story is not allowed on the FreeRepublic website. Kablooie Jan 2012 #222
I'm not surprised. Ruby the Liberal Jan 2012 #234
I think I'm going to be sick. myrna minx Jan 2012 #224
Is it me... FedUp_Queer Jan 2012 #225
The Rwanda Genocide and hate speech on the radio. Fokker Trip Jan 2012 #226
YES! Bill Moyers reported that on "Bill Moyers Journal" on PBS a few years ago Kolesar Jan 2012 #235
Anyone brave enough to venture over to Freerepublic MattBaggins Jan 2012 #230
They've banned any posts about it Faygo Kid Jan 2012 #240
Despicable tazzersgoldenangel Jan 2012 #236
Has W graduated from blowing up frogs? Deplorable despite my gallows humor. Vidar Jan 2012 #239
That reminds me...Ted Bundy was a Republican jackfuller86 Jan 2012 #243
Evil Trash Liberalynn Jan 2012 #244
PETA and the Humane Society of the United States (HSUS) are offering cash rewards Kolesar Jan 2012 #246
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