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Yes, a one state, secular solution. Call it Palestine. Problem solved. on point Dec 2012 #1
So, eliminate Israel? Facinating. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #2
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I think the most likely short-term "solution" is a division of land a la what happened in... Poll_Blind Dec 2012 #13
Bantustans have another name more familiar to Americans: Reservations. Xithras Dec 2012 #34
uh "final solution"...really? Ken Burch Dec 2012 #108
I noted that too. Chan790 Dec 2012 #200
Why not call it Late To Dinner? Scootaloo Dec 2012 #4
'Southern Levant'? muriel_volestrangler Dec 2012 #10
or "Debbie". Ken Burch Dec 2012 #113
Because Israel is a religious state that was the mistake in the first place on point Dec 2012 #8
And a Palestinian state won't be? Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #38
The ONLY way to do that is to oppose ALL further settlement expansion. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #70
I oppose all settlements in the West Bank. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #74
Thank you at least for opposing all settlements. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #79
Since Palestinians are not one religion, clearly it won't be Recursion Dec 2012 #154
That's an absurd assuption. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #159
If only there were a multi-religious Arab state, perhaps just north of Israel Recursion Dec 2012 #161
One already exists in Jewish form, it just seems to be offensive to so many. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #163
One of the most ill-informed posts I've seen here in a long time oberliner Dec 2012 #162
Actually, it wasn't so much a religious as an ethnic/cultural state. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #124
Well, when the majority of residents are not Jews, probably not going to be a Jewish state. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #17
So I assume you favor dissolution of all the Islamic states. former9thward Dec 2012 #21
I favor democracy and self-determination. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #27
There shouldn't be any religious-based states. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #81
Ahh no. former9thward Dec 2012 #104
Not the point. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #106
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We'll let you try reading that post again. former9thward Dec 2012 #148
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Dec 2012 #151
Sorry for the snark. former9thward Dec 2012 #166
Eliminate America!(1960) Eliminate South Africa!(1980) Ash_F Dec 2012 #22
South Africa didn't get eliminated. But it did have regime change. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #28
Indeed but the right wingers loved to use that argument back then. Ash_F Dec 2012 #30
If current demographic trends persist, by 2050 Israel will have a majority Arab population. (Right coalition_unwilling Dec 2012 #189
And yet, that is excatly what the poster to whom I responded believes that. Do you? Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #37
Israel destroyed itself. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #45
Kool-aid. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #51
It is a matter of physical reality that the Israelis setttlements are too entwined geek tragedy Dec 2012 #53
No, it isn't. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #54
I would have preferred a two-state solution. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #55
More kool-aid, so since I don't have a coupon. I am not buying this anymore. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #57
No, you're drinking the "the country dominated by pro-settler poltiical parties geek tragedy Dec 2012 #61
My concern is representation, equality and the pursuit of liberty. Ash_F Dec 2012 #47
Fine...within Israel. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #52
Two-state solution is a fantasy. Netanyahu has always held contempt for the idea, geek tragedy Dec 2012 #56
I do support a two state solution, for now. See my posts to Hack89 in this thread for elaboration. Ash_F Dec 2012 #58
That's good to hear. I will look at your other posts. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #59
so why was recognition of Israel and it's right to exist good enough in 1993 but not now azurnoir Dec 2012 #67
Which has nothing to do with my post. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #75
so your post had nothing to do with Israel being the Jewish State? n/t azurnoir Dec 2012 #77
A Jewish homeland, the nature of Israel. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #80
ah but I never said the Jews can not have a national homeland azurnoir Dec 2012 #83
Then it was pointless as that was not the topic of discussion. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #84
I asked you question that it seems you are unwilling answer azurnoir Dec 2012 #88
It has nothing to do with DU'ers which is why your absurd strawman was ignored. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #90
lol so now you throw in another crimson Clupeidae? azurnoir Dec 2012 #94
This message was self-deleted by its author Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #97
How about "Israel-Palestine"? That way, everybody's represented? Ken Burch Dec 2012 #69
How about two separate states? Why is that so offensive? Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #78
It's not offensive to me...but most Palestinians AREN'T trying to get rid of Israel any more. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #85
Then perhaps you should also point your attention at those calling for Israel's removal. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #89
The subthread with you two was just a discussion of the name of a country. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #93
No, it wasn't. Don't insult me. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #95
Why DIDN'T I confront him, then? Ken Burch Dec 2012 #99
On point does not. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #100
UH...what? Ken Burch Dec 2012 #101
Are you sure you were following this sub-thread? On point is the one to whom I asked the question! Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #102
Oh, sorry. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #105
Because the settlements have made that impossible Recursion Dec 2012 #155
According to you and the propaganda you are reading and peddling. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #160
No, South Africa wasn't "gotten rid of" either Recursion Dec 2012 #168
But, it is still a false analogy. Too bad you can't see it. Carry on. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #170
What a stunning refutation! "It's a false analogy". If you have an argument, make it. Recursion Dec 2012 #172
Israel and South Africa are countries. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #173
You are factually wrong on that: the bantustans were by protocol separate countries Recursion Dec 2012 #174
Your claim that the Palestinians are trying to destroy Israel cpwm17 Dec 2012 #175
Why does the first map say "Jewish land"? oberliner Dec 2012 #179
Because there was no "Israel" in 1946 or 1947? Recursion Dec 2012 #184
Exactly oberliner Dec 2012 #185
It was British land at that point (nt) Recursion Dec 2012 #190
Yeah oberliner Dec 2012 #191
I'd agree the first panel is somewhat misleading Recursion Dec 2012 #192
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These maps make their point cpwm17 Dec 2012 #194
They do indeed oberliner Dec 2012 #196
You can't rightfully create a country for one group on somebody else's land cpwm17 Dec 2012 #198
Alrighty oberliner Dec 2012 #201
This message was self-deleted by its author Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #182
No more than South Africa was eliminated. Recursion Dec 2012 #164
False anaology. But, I am betting you already knew this, given where your other posts are. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #165
Support? No. But there *will* be one state, Israel has seen to that Recursion Dec 2012 #167
Surprising. But, no, your "analysis" is nothing but run-of-the-mill propaganda. Behind the Aegis Dec 2012 #169
It announces the similarity of a European colonial population controlling a native majority, sure Recursion Dec 2012 #171
European? oberliner Dec 2012 #181
I'm not sure what you're asking. The Ashkenazim are Europeans Recursion Dec 2012 #183
Jewish Palestinians? oberliner Dec 2012 #186
Jewish people whose families have lived in Palestine for millenia Recursion Dec 2012 #187
Most of the Mizrahim are from neighboring Arab countries oberliner Dec 2012 #188
Problem solved? sellitman Dec 2012 #6
Native Americans can at least vote for their congressman today. Ash_F Dec 2012 #29
so are Native American not allowed to live in White settlements are Native Americans not US citizens azurnoir Dec 2012 #68
Arabs have more rights in Israel than in other Arab Nations. sellitman Dec 2012 #120
why is it that Israelli Arabs are always compared to Arabs in other countries? azurnoir Dec 2012 #121
Because sellitman Dec 2012 #130
That's a good question cpwm17 Dec 2012 #131
I understand your post sellitman Dec 2012 #134
History has show that it is Israel that doesn't recognize the Palestinians' right to exist cpwm17 Dec 2012 #142
again do you compare American Blacks standard of living to White America or Blacks in African azurnoir Dec 2012 #135
Why do you think Hamas will support a secular state? tn hack89 Dec 2012 #11
What do you support? Ash_F Dec 2012 #26
I support a two state solution with the dismantling of the settlements. nt hack89 Dec 2012 #33
I think that is a reasonable short term solution. Ash_F Dec 2012 #40
so lets look at the logistics of that azurnoir Dec 2012 #41
They say they are willing to try hack89 Dec 2012 #43
who says they're to try Israeli's ? rrrright that;s why they keep expanding the settlements azurnoir Dec 2012 #44
Time will tell hack89 Dec 2012 #48
"all it takes is one generation" (settler) Girls at War azurnoir Dec 2012 #49
You highlight the difficulty of finding a solution. hack89 Dec 2012 #50
" any doubt they have counterparts on the Palestinian side?" azurnoir Dec 2012 #60
My point is that there are extremists on both sides hack89 Dec 2012 #62
Palestinians wanting to live anywhere in the West Bank which is now recognized as Palestine azurnoir Dec 2012 #64
Gaza is part of Palestine hack89 Dec 2012 #65
ah I was waiting for you pull that one out Gaza azurnoir Dec 2012 #66
So are you saying that Palestine should be absolved of the responsiblities hack89 Dec 2012 #73
so you are saying that the PLO/PA is responsible for what Hamas a different goverment does? azurnoir Dec 2012 #82
So Palestine is not really a country? hack89 Dec 2012 #91
as of right now the country of Palestine is under 2 different governments azurnoir Dec 2012 #92
So Israel is to negotiate separately with each part of Palestine? hack89 Dec 2012 #96
at this point Israel refuses to speak with Hamas azurnoir Dec 2012 #98
I didn't realize the great power I hold. hack89 Dec 2012 #107
Abbas has said he's willing to negotiate n/t azurnoir Dec 2012 #111
But will Hamas agree to any deal brokered by Abbas? hack89 Dec 2012 #116
Really it does not matter at this point in time n/t azurnoir Dec 2012 #122
Nothing can be done until the Hamas problem is solved hack89 Dec 2012 #128
Tell that to the UN azurnoir Dec 2012 #136
That makes it even more imperative hack89 Dec 2012 #137
A majority of Knesset seats are held by pro-settler parties. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #46
with land swaps only around 50K settlers will need to relocate Mosby Dec 2012 #149
so 300,000 Israelis and their IDF protectors will remain in the West Bank? azurnoir Dec 2012 #152
all those settlers live a mile or two from the green line Mosby Dec 2012 #156
again 300,000 Israeli's and their IDF protectors will remain in a Palestinian state azurnoir Dec 2012 #157
Problem is DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #63
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if he is one, he is a fool DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #193
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in other words DonCoquixote Dec 2012 #199
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except none of the parties will accept it. cali Dec 2012 #129
I think John2 Dec 2012 #5
I see no problem if Israeli settlers live under a Palestinian government. TahitiNut Dec 2012 #7
I thought Jews were God's special people so they can do whatever the hell they want to. Maineman Dec 2012 #9
So you believe the U.S. should not support Islamic, Buddhist or Hindu states? former9thward Dec 2012 #23
the US supports plenty of Islamic states dlwickham Dec 2012 #24
The poster I replied to said the U.S. should not support religious based states such as Israel. former9thward Dec 2012 #31
Religious based state is a lot less offensive if a majority of the population geek tragedy Dec 2012 #32
The UN mandate set Israel up as a Jewish state. former9thward Dec 2012 #36
Then it will be an apartheid regime that will earn its place in the history books next to geek tragedy Dec 2012 #39
Since you are interested in history maybe you could include a couple facts. former9thward Dec 2012 #76
Well, Israel has made an Arab state a physical impossibility geek tragedy Dec 2012 #87
Again you turn history on its head. former9thward Dec 2012 #103
Who forced the Israelis to build settlements throughout the West Bank? nt geek tragedy Dec 2012 #109
Maybe the same thing that forced the U.S. to expand beyond the Atlantic coast. former9thward Dec 2012 #117
Oy, so you're a supporter of settlement expansion. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #119
LOL former9thward Dec 2012 #133
the Native Americans were given the right to vote dlwickham Dec 2012 #140
As usual, an Israel supporter gets reality exactly backwards cpwm17 Dec 2012 #110
A complete fabrication. former9thward Dec 2012 #115
Here's the Wikipedia version of the Palestinians' expulsion: cpwm17 Dec 2012 #118
Let's see what Wiki says about its own article: former9thward Dec 2012 #132
You are denying objective reality n/t cpwm17 Dec 2012 #143
The PA recognized Israel in 1994, so you can't say "The Palestinians refuse to recognize Israel" Ken Burch Dec 2012 #112
Try again. former9thward Dec 2012 #114
why do you have to bring facts into this discussion dlwickham Dec 2012 #139
The UN used the terms Jewish State and Arab State to differenciate azurnoir Dec 2012 #42
Absolutely false. former9thward Dec 2012 #72
ah but that is not what I said is it ? n/t azurnoir Dec 2012 #86
One State, the inevitable and fairest end at this point n/t Catherina Dec 2012 #12
Yes. A two-state solution is obvious. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #14
True, Sir: Admonishment Is Needed To Both Sides The Magistrate Dec 2012 #16
We are past the point of present-day admonishments. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #19
It is the Palestinians' unwillingness to agree to specific borders that is establishing JDPriestly Dec 2012 #123
The only offers Israel have been to willing consider are offers which dissect the West Bank- Douglas Carpenter Dec 2012 #125
The Israelis aren't willing to end the occupation or relinquish the cancerous settlements. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #126
The Israelis have destroyed settlements in the past. They certainly could do it again. JDPriestly Dec 2012 #141
In Point Of Fact, Sir The Magistrate Dec 2012 #127
England and Ireland libodem Dec 2012 #15
The policy on the Israeli side is to make a solution impossible. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #20
and we saw how well that worked out for however many years dlwickham Dec 2012 #25
England and Ireland... Xithras Dec 2012 #35
I've advocated the big circle theory before libodem Dec 2012 #71
The UN tried that after 48 Recursion Dec 2012 #158
Yesterday libodem Dec 2012 #176
That's an important myth to quash. There really wasn't tension until the 20th century Recursion Dec 2012 #177
Id always thought about 1948 libodem Dec 2012 #178
You truly have no clue oberliner Dec 2012 #180
Israelis are deep in denial that Zionism and democracy are headed for a divorce. geek tragedy Dec 2012 #18
Uglier and uglier... Blue_Tires Dec 2012 #138
OMG! THE SKY IS FALLING!! EVERYWON PANIC!!! Fozzledick Dec 2012 #144
Then cool – you're for a "one-state solution" cpwm17 Dec 2012 #145
I doubted I'd get any replies way down here but I just had to get it out. Fozzledick Dec 2012 #146
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