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GreenStormCloud

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133. Seems to be working in Texas.

Wed Dec 5, 2012, 09:55 PM

Dec 2012

We have over half a million Concealed Handgun Licensees, and only about one a year is convicted of murder. The rest of the shootings are legal. So I would say that the person who screws it up is very rare. That suggests that they learned something in the classes that they took.

The concept is exceedingly simple. In one paragraph you explained it quite well.

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Police: Ga. woman, 65, gunned down after her car, motorized wheelchair bump at gas station [View all] shawn703 Dec 2012 OP

Good thing he had a gun. WilliamPitt Dec 2012 #1

But guns don't kill people, people kill people. shawn703 Dec 2012 #2

+3,000 Shadowflash Dec 2012 #17

people with guns kill people without guns Liberal_in_LA Dec 2012 #56

Now is not the time to discuss gun control, another tragedy has happened with gun. Heather MC Dec 2012 #63

I hope you are being sarcastic. Good luck whating for a time when no ones has been gunned down to rhett o rick Dec 2012 #103

Rest assured it's sarcasm. eppur_se_muova Dec 2012 #121

Good. I thought so but I am a little slow sometimes. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #122

Hey Rick Heather MC Dec 2012 #161

Thanks. I often miss sarcasm. And I agree it is tragic. nm rhett o rick Dec 2012 #162

Fuck Bob Costas for making this possible. roguevalley Dec 2012 #140

Well, he could have backed over her, repeatedly. sofa king Dec 2012 #206

+1 sinkingfeeling Dec 2012 #3

+2 ellisonz Dec 2012 #5

And now queue the argument by the gun crowd that knives kill too. Javaman Dec 2012 #33

Or my favorite: "If that guy in the motorized wheelchair wanted hard enough to kill that woman, Squinch Dec 2012 #46

I heard every single one of those defenses yesterday BainsBane Dec 2012 #55

I want to know how she could have defended herself AFTER she'd already been shot? alarimer Dec 2012 #143

And obviously, in cases like these rage incidents, if there was no gun nearby, no one would die. Squinch Dec 2012 #144

it sounds like you have some common sense samsingh Dec 2012 #178

The problem I have with guns is that they serve NO purpose Demobrat Dec 2012 #50

It's a bad sign if you can't outrun a guy on a mobility scooter with a knife. Ken Burch Dec 2012 #120

or gas fascisthunter Dec 2012 #183

i was going to post the same thing. barbtries Dec 2012 #41

Spot on Will fascisthunter Dec 2012 #182

Man, don't piss off old people NV Whino Dec 2012 #4

That's a great question. slackmaster Dec 2012 #6

He lived in an apartment NOLALady Dec 2012 #15

Cigarettes? Soda? Lottery Ticket? Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #78

Yes, but one tends to stay out of the car lanes NV Whino Dec 2012 #96

In smaller gas stations Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #101

I'm not totally sure how it is tragic for the family of the murderer. nt. OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #200

Do you think people enjoy being related to a murderer? n/t Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #203

No, of course not. But I don't feel particularly sorry for them either. OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #204

I feel sorry for any grandchildren he may have... Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #207

If they have nothing now, OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #208

I live in a small town, no sidewalks, no bus and no 'walking distance grocery store. Sunlei Dec 2012 #189

It can be fuggin hard to get around town in a wheelchair -- and near impossible struggle4progress Dec 2012 #172

Enter SYG advocates in 5, 4, 3, . . . patrice Dec 2012 #7

This has nothing to do with SYG. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #18

. . . 2, 1, 0. I was thinking about the fact that she got out of her vehicle and . . . ? at minimum, patrice Dec 2012 #38

Still has nothing to do with SYG. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #43

And loud music BainsBane Dec 2012 #48

Also nothing to do with SYG. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #51

I hope you're right BainsBane Dec 2012 #53

The attorney is trying the spaghetti defense. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #99

Stand Your Ground? But he was in a wheelchair. tclambert Dec 2012 #79

it needed gas. ChairmanAgnostic Dec 2012 #80

That's not as far-fetched as it might sound slackmaster Dec 2012 #85

Huh? He's facing a murder charge (nt) Recursion Dec 2012 #83

ABP: Always Be Packing skrempi313 Dec 2012 #8

An armed society is a polite society. It's true. I heard it in the gungeon! Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2012 #16

Well, it's a quieter society than it might be otherwise. Because so many are dead. Squinch Dec 2012 #47

"so many are dead" dixiegrrrrl Dec 2012 #61

People just don't know how to look at the sliver lining of the gun culture like you and I do. Squinch Dec 2012 #107

Colbert taught me new ways of looking at things. dixiegrrrrl Dec 2012 #129

Gives new meaning to "Road Rage" ReRe Dec 2012 #9

Don't blame the gun he could have gotten out of that chair and beat her to death CBGLuthier Dec 2012 #10

+1 OrwellwasRight Dec 2012 #201

Is Georgia A "Stand Your Ground" State? DallasNE Dec 2012 #11

yes it is CatWoman Dec 2012 #20

For White People wellst0nev0ter Dec 2012 #142

No, he can't claim SYG. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #21

If I had to guess Kelvin Mace Dec 2012 #24

She was stopped. He bumped into her. She got out of her car. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #28

I am just saying what he will claim Kelvin Mace Dec 2012 #82

nope, its not that situation n/t Bacchus4.0 Dec 2012 #92

He is black, I don't know about her. N/T GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #100

He's black, and I can't help but wonder if he wouldn't be sitting in jail now if he was white slackmaster Dec 2012 #102

The criminal justice system is no longer all white. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #105

You obviously have never been to Macon, Georgia. Hoyt Dec 2012 #127

I have been to every major city in the U.S.... GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #131

We'll I lived there for 3 long years, and you are wrong about this too. Hoyt Dec 2012 #132

Are you saying that blacks can't vote in Macon, GA? N/T GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #134

What color is the victim? Kelvin Mace Dec 2012 #147

Here's a video of her family speaking out slackmaster Dec 2012 #149

she's white n/t Bacchus4.0 Dec 2012 #157

More To the Point, Sir, It Might Help If People With Gun In hand Knew The Law The Magistrate Dec 2012 #26

Did he have a permit to carry? GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #35

News Reports Are Silent On the Question So far, Sir The Magistrate Dec 2012 #36

It has complete bearing. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #111

They Are Not 'Trained' In It, Sir The Magistrate Dec 2012 #126

Seems to be working in Texas. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #133

Thanks, Mag. FredStembottom Dec 2012 #74

Laws Vary By State, Sir, So this Will Be General The Magistrate Dec 2012 #84

Wow. FredStembottom Dec 2012 #90

The Basic Legal Definition Remains the Same, Though, Sir The Magistrate Dec 2012 #97

Yes. You may be aware of a case here in Minnesota... FredStembottom Dec 2012 #109

SYG would have no effect on that case. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #115

I hope so. FredStembottom Dec 2012 #118

Re:Nowhere does any state law authorize him to execute. Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #173

True, but it looks great in court if you do. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #174

"Trespassers Will be Shot, Survivors Will be Shot Again" AndyTiedye Dec 2012 #130

SYG relies on the killer's version of how it went down, barring evidence to the contrary. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #93

so does any self-defense claim that results in a homicide n/t Bacchus4.0 Dec 2012 #95

No, it does not. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #104

Basically means the same thing. Starboard Tack Dec 2012 #108

Except that people who have CCWs jjust aren't that type. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #110

sure he can, it doesn't mean the State or the jury will accept that Bacchus4.0 Dec 2012 #73

True. N/T GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #98

If he believed she was trying to harm him with her car, bingo-bango she is dead. rhett o rick Dec 2012 #123

Her car was parked. She was not in the car. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #136

The story says their vehicles bumped. All I am saying is that he can claim rhett o rick Dec 2012 #137

Only AFTER he claims self-defense. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #145

He can always CLAIM it. He just probably won't win it. n/t pnwmom Dec 2012 #202

Yes, my home state is chock full of gun lunatics. nt onehandle Dec 2012 #27

Stand your ground doesn't apply BainsBane Dec 2012 #45

I'm sure it influenced his decision to pull the trigger fascisthunter Dec 2012 #184

We all need to carry Kingofalldems Dec 2012 #12

No way around that! Your logic is flawless! Squinch Dec 2012 #49

It's odd how the only people who actually make remarks like that are gun control advocates slackmaster Dec 2012 #68

NRA: "More guns could have saved Javon Belcher's girlfriend" neverforget Dec 2012 #179

That's Wayne LaPierre, not a real person slackmaster Dec 2012 #180

yeah just the NRA neverforget Dec 2012 #181

I wonder what the NRA has to say about this? Unknown Beatle Dec 2012 #13

If she called him one of those... TreasonousBastard Dec 2012 #14

WTF jsr Dec 2012 #19

Locking, moving to the gun forum question everything Dec 2012 #22

Fuck no. Bob Costas revived this to the mainstream. onehandle Dec 2012 #30

Exactly. It is time to discuss it thoroughly. Hoyt Dec 2012 #34

I posted this story earlier today in GD and it was locked. Laurian Dec 2012 #42

Different Hosts, Ma'am The Magistrate Dec 2012 #44

Yep. And Team NRA squeals like stuck pigs with their hoofs on the alert button.... Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2012 #59

+1. n/t. apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #139

GD has an explicit rule prohibiting "gun" posts, in the Statement of Purpose slackmaster Dec 2012 #65

'Gun Culture', Sir, is Quite In the News Just Now The Magistrate Dec 2012 #66

What is and is not "big news" WRT the GD SoP is certainly a matter of opinion slackmaster Dec 2012 #67

Apparently, Sir, It is there as a 'Safe Haven' For NRA Subscribers The Magistrate Dec 2012 #69

It's for Democrats who wish to discuss the issues specified in the SoP for the group slackmaster Dec 2012 #71

Do Not Try and Teach a Grandfather To Crack Eggs, Sir The Magistrate Dec 2012 #72

Thank you for stepping into this discussion question everything Dec 2012 #117

We also have numerous Gungeon regulars whor are gun control advocates. GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #155

The murder rate is at a 40-year low Recursion Dec 2012 #89

It's at an all time high... Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2012 #94

"When one man dies it is a tragedy, when thousands die it's statistics'". LanternWaste Dec 2012 #125

Nuclear war is at a 67 year low. onehandle Dec 2012 #135

What might it be with less guns? What will it be in future after latest wave of arming up? n/t Hoyt Dec 2012 #151

trade stats with me. i cannot find your claim in numbers tiny elvis Dec 2012 #209

Might she have shouted something like, "Oh, my, I'm so sorry. Are you okay?" classof56 Dec 2012 #23

Guns are handy. nt onehandle Dec 2012 #25

Who ran into who? csziggy Dec 2012 #29

Does it matter? Javaman Dec 2012 #37

He shot her because he's a reactionary lunatic with a gun. nt abelenkpe Dec 2012 #91

I thought my statement inferred that but thanks for saying that. :) Javaman Dec 2012 #113

If he were impaired enough to run into her car, that would be a factor csziggy Dec 2012 #141

He shot her. Javaman Dec 2012 #146

This seems to be happening about twice a week now. AAO Dec 2012 #31

The murder rate is at a 40-year low Recursion Dec 2012 #87

It's the killing over such little things in the news lately. AAO Dec 2012 #159

That was the line 30 years ago, too Recursion Dec 2012 #160

Pointless and ridiculous. TwilightGardener Dec 2012 #32

Grandpa was afraid for his life by GRANDMA!!!!! HockeyMom Dec 2012 #39

I am a firearms owner JohnStJohn Dec 2012 #40

Well Said. Thank You. (nt) Paladin Dec 2012 #75

another death.................. Milliesmom Dec 2012 #52

I guess it's another one of those stand your ground situations. southernyankeebelle Dec 2012 #54

Don't get into a verbal sparring match with anyone. Not even with someone in a wheelchair. Kaleva Dec 2012 #57

I can only imagine that the victim LanternWaste Dec 2012 #58

Not to Mention, Sir, Knowing Essential Civil Rights And Liberties of the People Were Being Preserved The Magistrate Dec 2012 #64

Why I will NEVER get out of my car in Florida HockeyMom Dec 2012 #60

I live in the gun control paradise of California where concealed weapons permits are not available slackmaster Dec 2012 #70

Another good citizen standing his ground. Chorophyll Dec 2012 #62

See post 18. N/T GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #106

Good thing the encounter was "brief". Crunchy Frog Dec 2012 #76

Insane Shankapotomus Dec 2012 #77

Another child shoots himself in police car! Milliesmom Dec 2012 #81

Here's what I predict we'll find out maxsolomon Dec 2012 #86

I must say that all sounds very plausible slackmaster Dec 2012 #88

Add to that: GreenStormCloud Dec 2012 #112

Was his gun concealed? If he was wearing it on his hip in plain sight, in most places that's legal, Nay Dec 2012 #150

No, in Georgia, you need a licence to open carry. PavePusher Dec 2012 #154

Ah. Thanks for the info! nt Nay Dec 2012 #156

Any time. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #158

I LIVE IN A GOLD STAR OPEN CARRY STATE!!!! janx Dec 2012 #190

Good. It's too bad that every state isn't in that catagory. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #191

Another gun nut, another tragedy. n/t Cali_Democrat Dec 2012 #114

Enjoy your new life in prison, asshole. tabasco Dec 2012 #116

If that old guy had a lawn, those kids would damn well get off of it! Ken Burch Dec 2012 #119

i really think a lot of these GUn people are hoping for any chance to shoot and kill someone JI7 Dec 2012 #124

They sure spend lot of time training, learning laws, etc., to "take advantage of an opportunity." Hoyt Dec 2012 #128

Citation to this "best guns" to shoot people fleeing a natural disaster" or retract, please. n/t PavePusher Dec 2012 #171

There have also been thrads in the gungeon advocatign shooting a 14 in the back Trunk Monkey Dec 2012 #187

TMonkey, that was a thread about the racist Randy Weaver and his armed 14 yo, inbred son sent out Hoyt Dec 2012 #188

"14 yo, inbred son" PavePusher Dec 2012 #193

You and poster above sure do have disgusting heroes. Hoyt Dec 2012 #196

For the last time: PavePusher Dec 2012 #198

The answer according to our "pro gun progressives"* is...moooaarrrr guns!!! apocalypsehow Dec 2012 #138

Not one person on this forum has suggested anything of the kind slackmaster Dec 2012 #148

Those in gun culture promote/support lax laws which ultimate lead to more guns. Hoyt Dec 2012 #152

The "guns behave just like gas molecules" fallacy slackmaster Dec 2012 #153

Take a look at Craigslist sometime Fumesucker Dec 2012 #199

Aw, geez Doctor_J Dec 2012 #164

"More Guns, Less Crime" is a book by Professor John Lott. I've read it, and I'll bet you haven't. slackmaster Dec 2012 #165

As If John Lott Has Any Credibility At This Point. (nt) Paladin Dec 2012 #166

You just veered off the track of this subthread Doctor_J Dec 2012 #167

I most certainly did NOT claim that no one believes that. See reply #148, in which I wrote... slackmaster Dec 2012 #169

Here is one of the highly rated reviews from your link Doctor_J Dec 2012 #168

And still YOU haven't read the book slackmaster Dec 2012 #170

I also haven't read any of Limpballs books, Doctor_J Dec 2012 #186

And the NRA continues to ensure that the US is a world laughingstock Doctor_J Dec 2012 #163

More dumbass gun play - and people defend this shit? jpak Dec 2012 #175

again those guns in hands in times of intensity samsingh Dec 2012 #176

How fucking senseless Scootaloo Dec 2012 #177

SYG needs to be overturned fascisthunter Dec 2012 #185

What makes you think this case has anything to do with SYG? hack89 Dec 2012 #192

Wassamattawidju? PavePusher Dec 2012 #194

It has been reported on our local news station last week RebelOne Dec 2012 #195

SYG is gun nuts' stepping stone to full on Judge Dredd status. onehandle Dec 2012 #205

... Family and friends said they will remember Hunnicutt as full of life despite struggle4progress Dec 2012 #197