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In the discussion thread: Father will be reunited with baby adopted without his knowledge, judge rules [View all]

Response to closeupready (Original post)

Tue Dec 4, 2012, 05:24 PM

Tumbulu (3,276 posts)

6. The article linked is not there anymore

and sorry, anyone who has raised a baby to this age has done such hard slogging work, my goodness. Without reading the article I have no idea how one can conclude anything negative about the adoptive parents.

The agency may be at fault, but why the attack on the adoptive parents? And how will this child feel being taken away from it's parents. And if the mother did not want the child- she did give it up for adoption, after all, how is it that the dad can take it and presumably force it upon her.

Perhaps the article explains this, but the link is not working.

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110 replies	Author	Time	Post
Father will be reunited with baby adopted without his knowledge, judge rules [View all]	closeupready	Dec 2012	OP
the Utah grubs who illegally adopted the kid think they have a god given to right to keep her nt	msongs	Dec 2012	#1
In Utah, "God Given" really does have something to do with it.	Xithras	Dec 2012	#24
Fascinating. Thanks for the info.	Hekate	Dec 2012	#87
Oh, I doubt it was a vengeful thing.	Xithras	Dec 2012	#88
Oh. My. God.	Hekate	Dec 2012	#92
what's a grub	dlwickham	Dec 2012	#63
Web page vanished	notadmblnd	Dec 2012	#2
Try here	dbackjon	Dec 2012	#7
Why would marriage status be any determination?	dbackjon	Dec 2012	#3
Tell that to the LDS Utah legislature.	JimDandy	Dec 2012	#5
I can think of a number of reasons	Lionessa	Dec 2012	#8
So the man has no rights?	dbackjon	Dec 2012	#11
Amen! +1000	DippyDem	Dec 2012	#17
Not so black n white as you want things to be.	Lionessa	Dec 2012	#20
Hmm	davidthegnome	Dec 2012	#36
No, in THIS case I started with and continue to support the father's position,	Lionessa	Dec 2012	#39
Thankfully, the law gives all fathers this right	Chemisse	Dec 2012	#47
In that case we agree	davidthegnome	Dec 2012	#52
The adoption agency and the adoptive parents were innocent	avebury	Dec 2012	#95
So prove he's an abusive prick and get a judge to void his parental...	TheMadMonk	Dec 2012	#46
Interesting. Ordinarily the adoptive parents would be as responsible as birth parents.	Chemisse	Dec 2012	#48
Normally yes. But also like birth parents, adoptive parents...	TheMadMonk	Dec 2012	#55
The father was in the military. I thought that	avebury	Dec 2012	#94
A whole bunch of that applies to fathers as well. Why is it so hard to respect	jtuck004	Dec 2012	#18
WTF are you talking about?	Lionessa	Dec 2012	#21
Leaving people out is as disrespectuful as dissing them. Ask the people who chose all the white	jtuck004	Dec 2012	#28
In no way have I said that men should be excluded,	Lionessa	Dec 2012	#40
You obviously want to live with your own interpretation. Enjoy! n/t	jtuck004	Dec 2012	#44
Wrong about the underaged pregnant girls	Samurai_Writer	Dec 2012	#90
If known and the father is there, as opposed to a one night stand...	TheMadMonk	Dec 2012	#38
Good point, since the mother's apparently not talking, but	Lionessa	Dec 2012	#41
Of course then they would have to get permission from the milkman.	Chemisse	Dec 2012	#49
side question	d_r	Dec 2012	#51
My number comes from a genetic survey conducted in QLD,...	TheMadMonk	Dec 2012	#57
If the biological mother consented, I don't think it's human trafficking,	Lionessa	Dec 2012	#4
It's human trafficking.	JimDandy	Dec 2012	#12
Adoption = Human trafficking ???!!! So you think all adoption should end,	Lionessa	Dec 2012	#14
Selling children for money	JimDandy	Dec 2012	#19
Most adopted children were not unwanted by their bio family	me b zola	Dec 2012	#60
I sort of doubt that's still the case.	Lionessa	Dec 2012	#73
Right, the numbers declined in the 1980's	me b zola	Dec 2012	#81
You seem to lack the understanding	Lionessa	Dec 2012	#84
You can refuse to read the links provided to you	me b zola	Dec 2012	#85
Not wanted?	Samurai_Writer	Dec 2012	#91
The article linked is not there anymore	Tumbulu	Dec 2012	#6
They KNEW THE FATHER didn't consent	dbackjon	Dec 2012	#9
An acceptable reason was offered by the mother,	Lionessa	Dec 2012	#15
Nope. The adoption agency flat-out broke the law.	Xithras	Dec 2012	#25
Please prove it is illegal in Utah.	Lionessa	Dec 2012	#27
Uh...how about the fact that the UTAH judge said it was illegal.	Xithras	Dec 2012	#34
I do not read anywhere that the judge said it was illegal,	Lionessa	Dec 2012	#42
Under Utah law, it was illegal.	Xithras	Dec 2012	#70
IF what the agency, adoptive parents, and mother did was illegal, there'd	Lionessa	Dec 2012	#74
The mother who produced this child	Tumbulu	Dec 2012	#45
Wow. So you think that soldiers make unfit fathers?	Xithras	Dec 2012	#56
This article is different than the one in the OP	Tumbulu	Dec 2012	#69
But it was her own choice!	Xithras	Dec 2012	#71
Srikes me, you believe ALL DADS ARE DEADBEAT DADS, unless...	TheMadMonk	Dec 2012	#58
The law gives dad's equal rights with the mom's	Tumbulu	Dec 2012	#68
Why not read the article yourself?	kiva	Dec 2012	#78
This message was self-deleted by its author	Tumbulu	Dec 2012	#86
During the course of this discussion numerous articles have been posted	Tumbulu	Dec 2012	#102
Children are not property - neither mother nor father owns them.	closeupready	Dec 2012	#105
They seem to be treated by our legal system as property, though	Tumbulu	Dec 2012	#106
I wasn't trying to be rude, I was trying to make the point	kiva	Dec 2012	#107
The articles posted at the bottom of this thread	Tumbulu	Dec 2012	#110
You errected the first "strawdad".	TheMadMonk	Dec 2012	#83
So, just because your neighbor was able to sleep through her labors	Tumbulu	Dec 2012	#103
That mother in all likelihood will come to deeply regret her actions n/t	me b zola	Dec 2012	#61
The father/husband did not abandon his wife. He was deployed	avebury	Dec 2012	#96
You are right, when I wrote my comments it was before the articles making this point were posted	Tumbulu	Dec 2012	#97
I don't want to diminish the many, many cases of abuse that happens	dbackjon	Dec 2012	#30
I have too. It is disgusting and does a horrible disservice to the parent.	Chemisse	Dec 2012	#32
Wait one second, are you SERIOUSLY suggesting that an INDIVIDUALS legal rights be determined	kelly1mm	Dec 2012	#35
But they had God's blessings, according to their statements.	DollarBillHines	Dec 2012	#16
You win the thread	me b zola	Dec 2012	#62
Going thru the front page and searching I found this link	Lionessa	Dec 2012	#10
Yes on reading the whole thing, there seems to be more to the story...	Lionessa	Dec 2012	#13
The adoption agency and the adoptive parents CLEARLY share blame	dbackjon	Dec 2012	#31
It is against the law to give away a baby without both parents' consent.	Chemisse	Dec 2012	#33
It's sad for the child, but the adoptive parents should not have fought it for two years	Chemisse	Dec 2012	#50
Stanley v. Illinois	HeiressofBickworth	Dec 2012	#22
Men's rights when it comes to family courts, is the last great civil rights battle. nt	aaaaaa5a	Dec 2012	#23
If she herself didn't want the baby,	HockeyMom	Dec 2012	#26
If she herself didn't want the baby	JimDandy	Dec 2012	#29
Why should she have done that?	davidthegnome	Dec 2012	#37
Because as you point out, it is the only straight up legal way	Lionessa	Dec 2012	#43
But it isn't clear.	davidthegnome	Dec 2012	#53
It makes no sense under ANY circumstances, since, as you said,	Chemisse	Dec 2012	#59
You say it isn't clear, and then list no other alternatives	hoboken123	Dec 2012	#67
Actually, I did mention alternatives.	davidthegnome	Dec 2012	#77
Adoption is not harmless to the children victimized by it n/t	me b zola	Dec 2012	#64
that depends....	actslikeacarrot	Dec 2012	#65
No it doesn't.	me b zola	Dec 2012	#66
While that may be true, it's also irrelevant.	Xithras	Dec 2012	#72
It is completely relevant for this reason:	me b zola	Dec 2012	#79
I've known many young women who adopted children out. That's true for NONE of them.	Xithras	Dec 2012	#89
So you support the idea that abortion should be chosen over adoption.	Lionessa	Dec 2012	#75
I support a woman's right to make an informed choice. n/t	me b zola	Dec 2012	#80
This post was hidden by jury decision.	Lionessa	Dec 2012	#82
I am one of four...	actslikeacarrot	Dec 2012	#104
I am one of many	me b zola	Dec 2012	#109
Why should she be an incubator,	HockeyMom	Dec 2012	#101
I think it's great that we live in a country where people can make that kind of choice	slackmaster	Dec 2012	#54
Actually, it appears no one broke the law,	Lionessa	Dec 2012	#76
It's called pro-choice for a reason.	LisaL	Dec 2012	#98
She was 7 months pregnant when she decided	Nikia	Dec 2012	#100
The article really lacks much of the story behind what happened	davidpdx	Dec 2012	#93
A lot more information in these articles	Tumbulu	Dec 2012	#99
I wonder if legal charges could be made	avebury	Dec 2012	#108

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