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struggle4progress

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5. I believe that is a reference to the fact that the defense has requested (and has been granted)
Sun Dec 2, 2012, 10:34 PM
Dec 2012

permission to plea to certain substitute charges, which would apparently include an admission of some transfers to Wikileaks

It seems that not all charges would be covered by the plea to substitutes, so the object of the plea, if made, is conjectured to be reduction of the complexity of the defense on the remaining charges, which would still be tried

Apparently the fact that the court has granted permission to such pleading does not require the defense to so plead. But it is difficult to imagine why the permission might be sought, if the defense did not seriously contemplate the plea, and the fact that the defense seriously contemplates the plea is hard to understand as anything except an admission that Manning released documents to Wikileaks. On the other hand, it is my understanding that if the defense having been granted permission to offer such a plea) never actually offers such a plea, then the court may not draw any legal conclusions whatsoever from the request for permission to offer such plea



I am somewhat confused by this. grantcart Dec 2012 #1
this is pre-trial hearing stuff, which lays groundwork for the trial struggle4progress Dec 2012 #2
Yes, you seem to be missing a lot of something. JackRiddler Dec 2012 #3
That's not what Manning's lawyer describes as a 'typical day' for his client--- msanthrope Dec 2012 #7
Is there any difference between that and solitary, in the legal sense? Solitary is punishment. freshwest Dec 2012 #9
I want to direct you to my post number 15... msanthrope Dec 2012 #16
Your selective and abusive use of facts is noted. JackRiddler Dec 2012 #13
Nonsense...Manning's lawyer is far more believable on this issue than msanthrope Dec 2012 #15
Thanks for referring me to this reply. Was he given psychological counseling on the suicide issue? freshwest Dec 2012 #17
No I got that. grantcart Dec 2012 #22
This phrase in the article '...has effectively admitted...' freshwest Dec 2012 #4
I believe that is a reference to the fact that the defense has requested (and has been granted) struggle4progress Dec 2012 #5
Wow. Thanks, s4p. I wonder if military folks would chime in on how *bad* his actions were. freshwest Dec 2012 #6
Many have argued that leaking US's war crimes is actually required snot Dec 2012 #8
That argument might carry a lot more weight if he were being tried in an international court hughee99 Dec 2012 #18
Constitution>treaties>Federal law>state law Ash_F Dec 2012 #21
Over In The Badlands USMCMustang Dec 2012 #10
I hope the courts throw out the case because of how they treated him. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #11
Don't hold your breath. n/t Angleae Dec 2012 #12
It's not in the courts. JackRiddler Dec 2012 #14
This Manning Trial is PURE Military Kangaroo Court at it's heart, the details are of no Consequence sally5050 Dec 2012 #19
He's been punished enough for his rule breaking. Give him a bad discharge and VA healthcare. Sunlei Dec 2012 #20
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