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In reply to the discussion: Mitch McConnell: I 'Burst Into Laughter' When Geithner Outlined Obama's Fiscal Cliff Plan [View all]grantcart
(53,061 posts)67. lol yeah why let facts color an opinion.
I will drink facts and leave kool aid to you.
The facts, well established are that over LONG periods, the stock market index funds have had a rather stable performance. The problem of course is maintaining a long term approach. If you enter at the high part of the market and have to sell at the low part of the cycle then you will not gain. It does require a certain risk tolerance. Since President Obama has become President key indexes have doubled in value.
http://kuznets.fas.harvard.edu/~campbell/papers/stockrisk.pdf
Evidence of this sort is found in Jeremy Siegels well-known book Stocks for the Long
Run (2nd ed., McGraw-Hill, 1998). Using historical US data from a period of almost 200
years (1802-1997), Siegel compares the range of variation of real returns on stocks, longterm
bonds, and Treasury bills. In their best single year, stocks delivered a real return of
67%, while in their worst single year they returned 39% for a range of 106%
(67%+39%). The one-year range for bonds is far smaller at 57%, and the one-year range
for Treasury bills is smaller again at 40%. A similar pattern emerges if one compares
standard deviations of annual real returns as measures of risk. In the 1802-1997 data the
standard deviation of the annual return is 18% for stocks, 9% for bonds, and 6% for bills.
For an investor with a one-year holding period, stocks appear to be considerably riskier
than fixed-income investments.
The picture is very different for long holding periods of a decade or more. The average
annualized real stock return over the best decade between 1802 and 1997 was 17%, while
the average return over the worst decade was 4% for a range of 21%. The decadal
ranges for bonds and bills are 18% and 17%, respectively. Over 20-year periods the
ranges for all three assets are almost identical at 12%, and over 30-year periods the range
is actually smaller for stocks at 8% than it is for bonds and bills at 9%. Standard
deviations of real returns follow the same pattern when measured over long holding
periods; they are roughly equal over 20-year periods, and lower for stocks than for bonds
or bills over 30-year periods. It would appear that stocks are no riskier than bonds and
bills for long-term investors who can hold their positions for at least a decade. Similar
patterns are visible in some international markets, although reliable long-term data are
harder to come by overseas.1
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Mitch McConnell: I 'Burst Into Laughter' When Geithner Outlined Obama's Fiscal Cliff Plan [View all]
Adenoid_Hynkel
Nov 2012
OP
Sorry but you don't realize what is about to happen. The stock markets are going to wipe out
grantcart
Nov 2012
#26
Statistically that is not the case. Over long periods of time the stock market has consistently
grantcart
Dec 2012
#64
I wonder if he laughed the same when Reid agreed to his filibuster deal. n/t
PoliticAverse
Nov 2012
#5
Is it me or when you look at McConnell you get the sense his face is falling off?
hrmjustin
Nov 2012
#7
it's not just you; he's been putting on that fake face for the 1% for quite awhile now
wordpix
Dec 2012
#37
I say let the repukes go home to explain it to the 98% early since the lame ducks can't fly anyway
wordpix
Dec 2012
#36
yuk it up McCONman, that cliff is actually the crumbling bridge your car is on when bridge collapses
wordpix
Dec 2012
#34
Looking at McConnell makes the average American burst into a case of diarhhea, so guess we're even
tomm2thumbs
Dec 2012
#40