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grantcart

(53,061 posts)
67. lol yeah why let facts color an opinion.
Sat Dec 1, 2012, 10:28 PM
Dec 2012

I will drink facts and leave kool aid to you.


The facts, well established are that over LONG periods, the stock market index funds have had a rather stable performance. The problem of course is maintaining a long term approach. If you enter at the high part of the market and have to sell at the low part of the cycle then you will not gain. It does require a certain risk tolerance. Since President Obama has become President key indexes have doubled in value.



http://kuznets.fas.harvard.edu/~campbell/papers/stockrisk.pdf

Evidence of this sort is found in Jeremy Siegel’s well-known book Stocks for the Long
Run (2nd ed., McGraw-Hill, 1998). Using historical US data from a period of almost 200
years (1802-1997), Siegel compares the range of variation of real returns on stocks, longterm
bonds, and Treasury bills. In their best single year, stocks delivered a real return of
67%, while in their worst single year they returned –39% for a range of 106%
(67%+39%). The one-year range for bonds is far smaller at 57%, and the one-year range
for Treasury bills is smaller again at 40%. A similar pattern emerges if one compares
standard deviations of annual real returns as measures of risk. In the 1802-1997 data the
standard deviation of the annual return is 18% for stocks, 9% for bonds, and 6% for bills.
For an investor with a one-year holding period, stocks appear to be considerably riskier
than fixed-income investments.
The picture is very different for long holding periods of a decade or more. The average
annualized real stock return over the best decade between 1802 and 1997 was 17%, while
the average return over the worst decade was –4% for a range of 21%. The decadal
ranges for bonds and bills are 18% and 17%, respectively. Over 20-year periods the
ranges for all three assets are almost identical at 12%, and over 30-year periods the range
is actually smaller for stocks at 8% than it is for bonds and bills at 9%. Standard
deviations of real returns follow the same pattern when measured over long holding
periods; they are roughly equal over 20-year periods, and lower for stocks than for bonds
or bills over 30-year periods. It would appear that stocks are no riskier than bonds and
bills for long-term investors who can hold their positions for at least a decade.
Similar
patterns are visible in some international markets, although reliable long-term data are
harder to come by overseas.1


he really does look like that turtle. craigmatic Nov 2012 #1
This one too mac56 Nov 2012 #6
I "burst into laughter" every time I see McConnell's face. xtraxritical Dec 2012 #30
I am glad he amuses you, I want to vomit. olegramps Dec 2012 #47
roflmao too funny for midnight wordpix Dec 2012 #33
He always makes me think of catchnrelease Dec 2012 #60
hey McConnell mercuryblues Nov 2012 #2
Good, laugh it up fucknuts. MrSlayer Nov 2012 #3
I hope you're right customerserviceguy Nov 2012 #15
What choice does he really have? MrSlayer Nov 2012 #16
And they don't have to give us anything, either customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #45
I John2 Nov 2012 #21
If they didn't lose the House in 2012 customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #46
gerrymandering was what happened. SemperEadem Dec 2012 #50
And we're stuck with that gerrymandering for the rest of the decade customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #63
many wern't up for re-election in 2012 notadmblnd Dec 2012 #68
In the House of Representatives customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #69
Sorry but you don't realize what is about to happen. The stock markets are going to wipe out grantcart Nov 2012 #26
The stock market.... sendero Dec 2012 #41
Statistically that is not the case. Over long periods of time the stock market has consistently grantcart Dec 2012 #64
Keep drinking the cool aid.. sendero Dec 2012 #65
lol yeah why let facts color an opinion. grantcart Dec 2012 #67
Right now, they're creating sucker rallies customerserviceguy Dec 2012 #62
there aren't enough in numbers of those who pay him SemperEadem Dec 2012 #49
amen brother Kyad06 Dec 2012 #51
Will someone please turn him on his back until we can get this done. n/t Cleita Nov 2012 #4
and stick him on a fencepost so we can all see how ridiculous he looks. lastlib Nov 2012 #18
! csziggy Dec 2012 #44
Perfect! ewagner Dec 2012 #42
I wonder if he laughed the same when Reid agreed to his filibuster deal. n/t PoliticAverse Nov 2012 #5
Is it me or when you look at McConnell you get the sense his face is falling off? hrmjustin Nov 2012 #7
it's not just you; he's been putting on that fake face for the 1% for quite awhile now wordpix Dec 2012 #37
I hope he gets his ass handed to him soon. hrmjustin Dec 2012 #38
I'm sure he planned it and practiced that laugh. BlueToTheBone Nov 2012 #8
I lothe that asshole! liberal N proud Nov 2012 #9
Perfect image! Couldn't be better. n/t Judi Lynn Nov 2012 #10
The laughter is a defense mechanism. ballaratocker Nov 2012 #11
What's interesting about this customerserviceguy Nov 2012 #12
Well, Let's Be Honest Here Iggy Nov 2012 #13
$1.6 trillion will help mitigate the deficit high density Nov 2012 #14
Just an old snapping turtle who corneliamcgillicutty Nov 2012 #17
What a bastard. blackspade Nov 2012 #19
I propose that everytime they say NO, Obama should just Up the ante... sheshe2 Nov 2012 #20
I say let the repukes go home to explain it to the 98% early since the lame ducks can't fly anyway wordpix Dec 2012 #36
Ashley Judd chuckstevens Nov 2012 #22
I thought it was mommy, Tammy Judd? xtraxritical Nov 2012 #29
I'm pretty sure chuckstevens Dec 2012 #59
Methinks The Wizard Nov 2012 #23
Get out of my government you obsolete piece of bat shit! L0oniX Nov 2012 #24
Mitch McTurtle... ReRe Nov 2012 #25
These F*cks care not about the deficit, Phlem Nov 2012 #27
Could he be any less an Ass Stewland Nov 2012 #28
Where is McConnell's proposal? Where is Boehner's proposal? BlueStreak Dec 2012 #31
Already looks like he's had one stroke.... NickP Dec 2012 #32
yuk it up McCONman, that cliff is actually the crumbling bridge your car is on when bridge collapses wordpix Dec 2012 #34
They have sat on the proposal for over a month Rain Mcloud Dec 2012 #35
this fuckface is shitting his britches.. frylock Dec 2012 #39
Looking at McConnell makes the average American burst into a case of diarhhea, so guess we're even tomm2thumbs Dec 2012 #40
He's such an ass Aerows Dec 2012 #43
go on and laugh... SemperEadem Dec 2012 #48
He and Cantor both need to be bitch slapped Kyad06 Dec 2012 #52
Laughing, indeed. Yet another attempt to Sekhmets Daughter Dec 2012 #53
Would that be... murray hill farm Dec 2012 #54
Mr. McConnell, your laughter is an hysterical symptom burnsei sensei Dec 2012 #55
from the party that never has reduced the debt. pansypoo53219 Dec 2012 #56
The turtle looks better than he does- sevenseas Dec 2012 #57
Exercise the "14th Amendment option." JackHughes Dec 2012 #58
Just furthers my theory that conservatives have no sense of humor. Initech Dec 2012 #61
where's your plan Mitch? Rosa Luxemburg Dec 2012 #66
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