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BlueStreak

(8,377 posts)
16. Then compare Obama with Bush
Mon Nov 26, 2012, 07:41 PM
Nov 2012

There are some differences.

Bush was ending the Iraq war. Obama declared it is ended, although we probably have about as many people on the ground in Iraq either way when you add up the private contractors.

Bush was on track to "start ending" Afghanistan by 2014. In contrast, Obama plans to start ending Afghanistan for sure by 2014.

Bush locked up lots of prisoners without due process in Gitmo. Obama has processed and released some of them, but has kept Gitmo open.

Bush used drones in horrible ways that killed lots of civilians and fomented animosity toward the US. Obama has tripled the use of drones.

Bush stood aside while Israel conducted genocide in the West bank. Obama stood aside while Israel committed genocide in the West bank.

That isn't to say there haven't been differences. Obama navigated through Libya accomplishing our desired outcome with no US lives lost. Bush probably would have sent in the Marines.

Obama Will have nothing to do with the atrocities in Syria. Bush probably would have sent in the marines.

On balance I definitely trust Obama more than Cheney on these matters. But if you are implying that the Obama policies are a lot different from Buah's in fact, I would have to disagree.

The policies are practically indistinguishable. The discussion is more honest and the execution is better under Obama, but the policies have not changed in any significant way.

If someone can tell us the policy difference between Susan Rice and Condi Rice, we're listening. leveymg Nov 2012 #1
One has a D and the other an R? Dokkie Nov 2012 #3
LBJ faced a similar choice. I hope Obama doesn't make the same mistake. leveymg Nov 2012 #5
I hope he makes the right choice and goes with Sen. Kerry. n/t wisteria Nov 2012 #29
"Bin Laden determined to strike in U.S." geek tragedy Nov 2012 #6
You cannot be serious Hutzpa Nov 2012 #8
thank you wordpix Nov 2012 #12
We're still waiting for an example of a concrete policy distinction between the two leveymg Nov 2012 #15
There is no meaningful anything Hutzpa Nov 2012 #18
Alerted for Naderite talking points. Odin2005 Nov 2012 #33
Alerted? n/t godai Nov 2012 #34
Earth to Odin: the election is over. leveymg Nov 2012 #46
Are you against all 'humanitarian interventions' or just those undertaken by the US? pampango Nov 2012 #47
Like Susan Rice, I am haunted by US and int'l failures to protect in Rwanda. leveymg Nov 2012 #50
I was a kid when Bosnia and Rwanda happened. Odin2005 Nov 2012 #52
Sometimes, the consequences of regime change are worse than the regimes. leveymg Nov 2012 #56
Then compare Obama with Bush BlueStreak Nov 2012 #16
Bwahahahaha! Hutzpa Nov 2012 #19
How can you call their policies indistinguishable? brush Nov 2012 #45
If Bush was a 9.0 on the military-for-corporate-benefit scale, then BlueStreak Nov 2012 #48
He is who he is and the country is what it is brush Nov 2012 #51
Where his heart is, is much lower than 7.5, I agree BlueStreak Nov 2012 #57
" . . .the long term and the present are blended together. The rest of us have to live in the presen brush Nov 2012 #58
I'm AA...my first thought was goclark Nov 2012 #49
If Susan Rice agrees with SOS Clinton's current approach - there are huge differences. n/t Lucinda Nov 2012 #10
and you're an expert in diplomatic settlements because....? wordpix Nov 2012 #11
She is not as outstanding as Kerry wisteria Nov 2012 #28
"seem"? "Get us into optional wars?" FYI, Condi got us into wars, Susan tries to keep us OUT wordpix Nov 2012 #13
You seem to have never heard of US intervention in Libya or Syria and Iran. leveymg Nov 2012 #17
Let me make this easier for you Hutzpa Nov 2012 #20
I guess only Americans have souls to you. Newsflash: 15K antiaircraft missiles are loose leveymg Nov 2012 #38
Why don't you ask the families of our soldiers who died in Iraq? I bet they know the difference. nt Walk away Nov 2012 #27
Susan is qualified underpants Nov 2012 #21
Not as qualified as Senator Kerry. wisteria Nov 2012 #26
She appears to be, not at all diplomatic. godai Nov 2012 #37
I have read those reports of her antics before. wisteria Nov 2012 #43
Are you fucking serious??? Odin2005 Nov 2012 #30
I am. Not all neocons are Republicans. This crew is taking us to war, again, and we're leveymg Nov 2012 #39
Spam deleted by gkhouston (MIR Team) Dubster Nov 2012 #2
Bad idea. If it's John Kerry, we might be saying hello to the jerk we just said goodbye to. Sadly, Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #4
That is a far fetched notion and not good enough to keep someone wisteria Nov 2012 #24
Far-fetched, you say? Arkana Nov 2012 #54
He has served Mass well for many years, it isn't fair to suggest he not take a post, wisteria Nov 2012 #59
It is not worth the gamble to again lose a safe seat to the likes of Scott Brown. That happened.... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2012 #55
I agree that Kerry is the better choice. ginnyinWI Nov 2012 #9
This is one person who is going to be very disapointed in our President. wisteria Nov 2012 #23
You make a huge point in assisting in Obama's legacy. n/t wisteria Nov 2012 #44
Me too, but I think I am hoping against hope. n/t wisteria Nov 2012 #25
And here a link to The AP article too... Tx4obama Nov 2012 #7
Susan Rice will meet Tuesday with Senators McCain, Graham, Ayotte, and Wednesday with Susan Collins. Tx4obama Nov 2012 #14
All I can say is I would prefer he went with Senator Kerry. wisteria Nov 2012 #22
we can still hold out hope. ginnyinWI Nov 2012 #41
We can hope, but I can't help but feel angry right now. wisteria Nov 2012 #42
Republicans once again caught shooting before aiming. DCBob Nov 2012 #31
Good! Screw the racists attacking her. Odin2005 Nov 2012 #32
I never saw the opposition against her a rasism. wisteria Nov 2012 #35
White men calling a black woman with a PhD "incompetent"? Odin2005 Nov 2012 #36
That is not racism, IMO. wisteria Nov 2012 #40
So white men can't criticize a black woman? Beacool Nov 2012 #53
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