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harmonicon

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14. They may not want to work for minimum wage, but they do.
Sat Nov 24, 2012, 06:25 AM
Nov 2012

There are plenty of folks with even advance degrees who just have to take whatever job there is - it's a miracle if there even is one available in their field, no matter what it pays. This is why I don't buy the argument of it being about immigrants driving down wages - that's just something that's said to try to spread racism and/or xenophobia, and it works shockingly well amongst the left.

I also think having a socialist or communist economy would be better than what we have now, but that's not what we have. What we have is a system where employers work out what they need and try to pay as little as possible for it (you can't both blame employers for this while also praising "success" in business in general). I'm all for those employers being able to hire the absolutely best people in the world for those jobs. If greater competition for the job drives down the wage, is that really any different than greater competition in a market driving down prices? Of course it's not, but too many Americans think the national motto is something like "beggars must always be choosers."

one last chance to stab American workers in the back nt msongs Nov 2012 #1
Oh, bullshit. harmonicon Nov 2012 #8
Actually it's about JoeyT Nov 2012 #12
They may not want to work for minimum wage, but they do. harmonicon Nov 2012 #14
We already have a problem with grad schools in engineering being filled with foreign students pnwmom Nov 2012 #24
I was going to do my MBA paper on this exboyfil Nov 2012 #29
Oh, dear - not competition! harmonicon Nov 2012 #31
x2 AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #9
All this does is help corporations adieu Nov 2012 #2
Yes. College students applying to grad school in stem fields have to compete pnwmom Nov 2012 #25
I'm sick of this. Panasonic Nov 2012 #3
Yep. These CEOs who hire H1-Bs are economic traitors. AnotherMcIntosh Nov 2012 #10
The CEO is just another man in the machine. The chairman of the board is who you're after. Selatius Nov 2012 #13
+1 davidwparker Nov 2012 #22
Great. drm604 Nov 2012 #4
Good thing Obama is there to veto this. He will protect us. limpyhobbler Nov 2012 #5
I will support this... bluestateguy Nov 2012 #6
Will work for bad food. sulphurdunn Nov 2012 #7
This is a good step, but it shouldn't just be for STEM workers. harmonicon Nov 2012 #11
It's not a good step. It sucks. pscot Nov 2012 #16
Yep, that's the national motto: "fuck you, I've got mine, Jack." harmonicon Nov 2012 #33
It's not helpful to US students, who find it too difficult to get accepted into US grad schools pnwmom Nov 2012 #26
Maybe that should be an impetus to make our compulsory education better. harmonicon Nov 2012 #32
No, it's NOT because our colleges aren't good enough. pnwmom Nov 2012 #35
So the problem is with our funding for education. harmonicon Nov 2012 #36
I'm not blaming the students. Where do you think I did that? I'm blaming govt. policies, pnwmom Nov 2012 #37
The purpose of competition in the labor market is to lower wages and/or increase productivity. harmonicon Nov 2012 #38
I strongly believe US citizens should have preferential access to US jobs. pnwmom Nov 2012 #39
Why? harmonicon Nov 2012 #40
People DO have different rights because of where they were born. For us to ignore our pnwmom Nov 2012 #41
So, because other people do wrong, we should do wrong as well? harmonicon Nov 2012 #42
In the United States people are free to move among states, just as they now pnwmom Nov 2012 #43
We're not going to get there if you and others don't want it. harmonicon Nov 2012 #44
Who pays the tuition for those "advanced US degrees"? MindPilot Nov 2012 #15
Oh, no they're not. athena Nov 2012 #17
Do you by any chance have a dog in this hunt? n/t amandabeech Nov 2012 #18
Expressing an opinion is now suspect? athena Nov 2012 #19
No, but if you have benefited from our nation's universities admission of many amandabeech Nov 2012 #20
Response? n/t amandabeech Nov 2012 #21
They SHOULD be taking back their experience to their home countries, which need them more than we do pnwmom Nov 2012 #27
I'd given up quite a while ago... 6502 Nov 2012 #23
I guess that's why they call it a "lame duck" congress davidpdx Nov 2012 #28
As someone who has experience with the immigration system... Lightbulb_on Nov 2012 #30
Stuff like this really pisses me off. tarheelsunc Nov 2012 #34
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