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In the discussion thread: Dems short on votes for filibuster reform [View all]

Thu Nov 15, 2012, 08:56 AM

MessiahRp (5,404 posts)

120. When the party only finances candidates that do it, you're left with no choice.

Triangulation bullshit or fuckheads like Romney and Ryan. It's not people's first choice to vote for third way candidates. It's just that the money in the Democratic Party dictates that liberals be pushed out and treated like pariahs and crazies during primaries. There are a ton of examples of the National and State Parties stepping into primaries and railroading candidates that they found undesirable to the Washington and Wall Street elite, out of races. It's not that people WANT triangulation it's that the money run against the other candidates combined with the right wing crazies on the other ticket make it impossible to support the candidates who don't saddle up with the robber barons.

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146 replies	Author	Time	Post
Dems short on votes for filibuster reform [View all]	Freddie Stubbs	Nov 2012	OP
Who's the hold-out?	no_hypocrisy	Nov 2012	#1
... and why? Career as a Democrat is over.	Scuba	Nov 2012	#6
Some Democrats remember when they were in the minority	happyslug	Nov 2012	#23
And if the Repubs get in charge you think they'll OK the filibuster for the Dems???????	Scuba	Nov 2012	#28
They have in the past.....	happyslug	Nov 2012	#47
Is anyone going to answer the question? Who's the holdout?	xtraxritical	Nov 2012	#58
Ok, I'll do my own homework, here's the answer...	xtraxritical	Nov 2012	#59
I am sooooo pissed. nt	valerief	Nov 2012	#70
Kerry? Really? ACK.	ChaoticTrilby	Nov 2012	#72
Kerry is for filibuster reform	karynnj	Nov 2012	#139
Ah, good! Thanks for the update.	ChaoticTrilby	Nov 2012	#143
Senator must cast a vote if they are present	Freddie Stubbs	Nov 2012	#83
And Reid probably voted against it because for procedural reasons	Freddie Stubbs	Nov 2012	#87
That was a vote taken 2 years ago though.	NYC Liberal	Nov 2012	#93
I could have named most of them without looking at your list. Kerry I am surprised did not vote.	lonestarnot	Nov 2012	#107
I think he was in Sudan where things were falling apart	karynnj	Nov 2012	#138
I think they are at 49, easily at the moment	CreekDog	Nov 2012	#128
Remember "The Nuclear Option"?	MurrayDelph	Dec 2012	#146
And should that happen, do you think the Repubs wouldn't change it now	BlueCaliDem	Nov 2012	#42
Nobody is talking about killing the filibuster.	gcomeau	Nov 2012	#48
Actually they are not even talking about that.	former9thward	Nov 2012	#54
In that case...	gcomeau	Nov 2012	#55
Yes...and that's my main concern with the filibuster reform idea	RFKHumphreyObama	Nov 2012	#88
It's still obstructionism . . .	MrModerate	Nov 2012	#101
Exactly. I was grateful for the filibuster in 2003	democrattotheend	Nov 2012	#117
The reform doesn't take away the filibuster	CreekDog	Nov 2012	#127
One is prolly Joe Lieberman, who often caucuses with the Dems on some issues.	CTyankee	Nov 2012	#98
The only time they can do this is at the beginning of the term when they are	SteveG	Nov 2012	#123
Oh, that's right. I remember reading that somewhere...	CTyankee	Nov 2012	#125
Not quite.	HooptieWagon	Nov 2012	#135
True, but how likely is that?	SteveG	Dec 2012	#145
+1 million. Who the hell are these traitors? nt	valerief	Nov 2012	#69
From the article on who voted against or didn't vote at all:	yurbud	Nov 2012	#92
Or do they.	Mass	Nov 2012	#2
tend to agree.	mopinko	Nov 2012	#4
Name names, please	CanonRay	Nov 2012	#3
If they wait till January they will have 51+ votes	INdemo	Nov 2012	#5
AFAIK, they must wait for January.	longship	Nov 2012	#37
Right. n/t	PoliticAverse	Nov 2012	#53
I agree, so let's wait	wordpix	Nov 2012	#105
I agree, my math says they probably have at least 49 right now	CreekDog	Nov 2012	#129
Without filibuster reform ...	earthside	Nov 2012	#7
Some Democratic Senators may worry that they may someday be in the minority	Freddie Stubbs	Nov 2012	#9
So. The filibuster is garbage, and no way to run a democracy.	still_one	Nov 2012	#11
This is a constitutional republic, not a democracy	Freddie Stubbs	Nov 2012	#13
it's a democratic republic	HankyDub	Nov 2012	#17
I do not listen to talk radio, so I am not familiar with how Rush Limbaugh talks	Freddie Stubbs	Nov 2012	#18
That certainly was not the intent, which you know quite well.	HankyDub	Nov 2012	#19
People are often incorrect	Freddie Stubbs	Nov 2012	#25
If only you remembered that when repeating Administration talking points the past 4 years.	MessiahRp	Nov 2012	#43
We support President Obama here at DU!	Freddie Stubbs	Nov 2012	#84
What a ridiculous response.	MessiahRp	Nov 2012	#97
If Obama had tried to do everything that the far left wanted, he would have been a one-termer	Freddie Stubbs	Nov 2012	#111
I completely disagree with that assessment.	MessiahRp	Nov 2012	#112
My 'third way nonsense' is the reason a Democrat has won the popular vote in 5 of the last 6	Freddie Stubbs	Nov 2012	#114
Thank you for publicly outing yourself as a cheerleader for the Third Way.	MessiahRp	Nov 2012	#115
If people don't like triangulation, why do they keep voting for candidates who do it?	Freddie Stubbs	Nov 2012	#119
When the party only finances candidates that do it, you're left with no choice.	MessiahRp	Nov 2012	#120
In 2008 most of President Obama's funds were from small donations	Freddie Stubbs	Nov 2012	#133
prior to that you proudly displayed a blue dog painting in your sig line	Occulus	Nov 2012	#141
Those who don't want Blue Dogs in Congress don't want a Democratic majority	Freddie Stubbs	Nov 2012	#142
Of course he does	Kingofalldems	Nov 2012	#20
Oh, jeez.	earthside	Nov 2012	#24
If that were the ultimate value in the Senate, Wyoming and California wouldn't have the same number	Freddie Stubbs	Nov 2012	#26
The only ones who keep saying it's a Republic are Republicans,...as if they OWN it.	Spitfire of ATJ	Nov 2012	#27
The fact that it is a republic makes it difficult for any one faction to 'own' it	Freddie Stubbs	Nov 2012	#32
That's not how they see it. They say it's theirs and Dems need to get out of their way.	Spitfire of ATJ	Nov 2012	#46
That's a RW talking point, buddy.	Odin2005	Nov 2012	#33
after all, one pledges allegience to both the flag	SemperEadem	Nov 2012	#57
Facts are facts, regardless of whoever is stating them	Freddie Stubbs	Nov 2012	#86
The US being a republic does not perclude the US from also being a democracy.	Odin2005	Nov 2012	#102
It is still no way to run a Constitutional republic, and the last four years exemplify this	still_one	Nov 2012	#56
Unfortunately. nt	Comrade_McKenzie	Nov 2012	#81
I don't think you need to end it	HankyDub	Nov 2012	#15
+1 nt	ProudProgressiveNow	Nov 2012	#21
Good thing we're not one	Ter	Nov 2012	#61
Aren't they effectively putting themselves in minority	julian09	Nov 2012	#75
If they have no backbone and not pass the rule change	INdemo	Nov 2012	#136
The United States is a Democratic Republic!!!	tonybgood	Nov 2012	#64
That is the reason for the supreme court and the constitution.	julian09	Nov 2012	#77
Wrong!!! The Supreme Court isn't there to protect against "bad laws"!	tonybgood	Nov 2012	#121
Didn't I mention constitution along with supreme court, connect the dots.	julian09	Nov 2012	#137
The filibuster was used to keep slavery intact, so protection of the rights of minorities is	still_one	Nov 2012	#80
and the fight against civil rights	Salviati	Nov 2012	#126
I agree	still_one	Nov 2012	#132
the rights of the minorities frequently are trampled	dlwickham	Nov 2012	#95
lately in the Senate the rights of the majority are being trampled due to the filibuster rule	wordpix	Nov 2012	#106
if national Republicans keep this up, they will end up in the same position as California Repubs:	yurbud	Nov 2012	#94
Sounds exactly like the movie Lincoln.	Kablooie	Nov 2012	#8
Who do we need to yell at? We need names. nt	bemildred	Nov 2012	#10
The Blue Dogs and Southern Dems	harun	Nov 2012	#44
they	heaven05	Nov 2012	#50
Perhaps not	Blasphemer	Nov 2012	#60
Utter shite - this is completely false	dmallind	Nov 2012	#96
Umm the Corporate owned Dems in the Senate are WORSE than the Blue Dogs	harun	Nov 2012	#110
Please see #59, above.	AnotherMcIntosh	Nov 2012	#65
Yep, that's about what I thought.	bemildred	Nov 2012	#68
Real reporters have names....	Kelvin Mace	Nov 2012	#12
Senator Tom Udall is quoted in the article stated that he does not have 51 votes yet	Freddie Stubbs	Nov 2012	#16
By names,	Kelvin Mace	Nov 2012	#31
Please see #59, above.	AnotherMcIntosh	Nov 2012	#66
If Senator Udall had wanted to name names he would have done so	Freddie Stubbs	Nov 2012	#82
Since when do I exepct politicians to report the news	Kelvin Mace	Nov 2012	#89
Make them actually filibuster!	Honest_Abe	Nov 2012	#14
+1 nt	ProudProgressiveNow	Nov 2012	#22
There GOP will end the filibuster in a heartbeat	Nancy Waterman	Nov 2012	#30
Bring on the cook books, Chicken Soup For The Soul...	loyalsister	Nov 2012	#109
I agree	democrattotheend	Nov 2012	#118
Seriously. That's the entirety of the solution, right there.	Posteritatis	Nov 2012	#131
I just called Udall	fredamae	Nov 2012	#29
senate.gov	malexand	Nov 2012	#62
Thank you for this link	fredamae	Nov 2012	#63
TO EVERYONE WHO WANTS NAMES...	thesquanderer	Nov 2012	#34
Any Dems who won't vote to reform this should have their precious committee assignments stripped.	leveymg	Nov 2012	#35
Maybe Udall put this message out to energize the rank and file Democrats to show	byeya	Nov 2012	#36
The fillibuster must die.	Odin2005	Nov 2012	#38
Harry Reed took forever to admit it was a problem.	Spitfire of ATJ	Nov 2012	#39
Perhaps we need a constitutional amendment:	Maineman	Nov 2012	#40
Then CHANGE THE RULES OF THE SENATE!	Grins	Nov 2012	#41
well	heaven05	Nov 2012	#45
the independant that won	EC	Nov 2012	#49
He's not a senator yet.	AAO	Nov 2012	#67
Oh	EC	Nov 2012	#74
Right, but I don't think it starts until 2013 n/t	AAO	Nov 2012	#100
Virginia Dems: phone numbers	s-cubed	Nov 2012	#51
"A Reid aide emphasized that Reid did not commit himself to the constitutional option" n/t	PoliticAverse	Nov 2012	#52
They should rename it the Ballbuster. nt	valerief	Nov 2012	#71
Some of this may have to do with WHAT exactly is being proposed...	brooklynite	Nov 2012	#73
I know that I may be wrong here, but are you really sure you want to change the rules?	hrmjustin	Nov 2012	#76
There has to be a way for Obama to fill up the Courts without having to deal with Republican	Pirate Smile	Nov 2012	#78
Some Democrat better get off his dead ass and fall in line!	santamargarita	Nov 2012	#79
How are things going in AZ, re: Carmona???	elleng	Nov 2012	#85
Down 78,000 votes with a little less than half a million ballots still waiting to be counted	Freddie Stubbs	Nov 2012	#91
son of a ....	warrprayer	Nov 2012	#90
Why in the fuck did Feinstein (CA), Kerry (MA) & Inouye (HI) not vote? - This has to pass NOW	LaPera	Nov 2012	#99
Because they are COWARDS	NoodleyAppendage	Nov 2012	#104
Oh, come on	Canuckistanian	Nov 2012	#103
It's not like the vote to end the filibuster on the first day of each session will end it forever..	ancianita	Nov 2012	#108
Dear God...are there STILL Senate Dems who base their political appeal	Ken Burch	Nov 2012	#113
Maine's new Senator Angus King caucused with the Dems and hates the Filibuster	jpak	Nov 2012	#116
Not a Good Piece of "Reporting"	DarthDem	Nov 2012	#122
From that article I put us at 49	dsc	Nov 2012	#124
Response from Sherrod Brown's office	CincyDem	Nov 2012	#130
Funny how we're always short of the votes when we most need them.	Daniel537	Nov 2012	#134
Isn't it curious.	woo me with science	Nov 2012	#144
What's the point of this if the GOP has the House?	davidn3600	Nov 2012	#140

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