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In the discussion thread: Obama asks Palestinians to back off statehood push [View all]

Mon Nov 12, 2012, 04:29 PM

Ken Burch (31,335 posts)

50. The war is equally both sides' fault. You can't blame it all on the Palestinians

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At the very least, Israeli leaders CAN'T expect the Palestinians to stop doing anything BEFORE there's a permanent moratorium on settlement expansion. You can't expect one side to stop fighting while the other side keeps incurring on its territory.

Both sides have to change...but the Israeli side has to change first, because it has almost all of the power in this situation.

As to RoR, I think Hamas is capable of compromising(there has to be at least RoR for the surviving exiles of 1948, obviously), but they have to be allowed to do it DURING the peace talks, not as a precondition. They can't be seen as giving up the store BEFORE the talks even start. And Israel(as well as Palestine)has to be willing to have peace simply be the end of war and the start of a reconciliation process...they can't insist on spinning it as "we won and they lost".

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Obama asks Palestinians to back off statehood push [View all]	Freddie Stubbs	Nov 2012	OP
In exchange for what?	Scootaloo	Nov 2012	#1
Maybe then Mr. Abbas will say "no thanks" to our 1/2 billion in foreign aid we give them each year.	former9thward	Nov 2012	#3
Interesting strategy.	Scootaloo	Nov 2012	#4
Don't know what the restaurant remark is about.	former9thward	Nov 2012	#6
No, only the Isarelis get to interfere with our elections	geek tragedy	Nov 2012	#8
Re: rewarded for their efforts with unconditional aid	mallard	Nov 2012	#28
Actually I don't think that.	Scootaloo	Nov 2012	#10
I would have no problem cutting off aid to ALL players in the Mideast.	former9thward	Nov 2012	#13
I rather doubt your sincerity on that.	Scootaloo	Nov 2012	#16
BS n/t	DeSwiss	Nov 2012	#20
You always have such insightful posts.	former9thward	Nov 2012	#23
US Policymakers don't really seem to care WHAT $ is used for	Ashened	Nov 2012	#39
+1	AlexSatan	Nov 2012	#55
Try over 4 billion.	L0oniX	Nov 2012	#25
The PLA has averaged 600 million a year.	former9thward	Nov 2012	#36
Congress with held Palestinian aid last year as punishment for the UN bid then at least until Israel	azurnoir	Nov 2012	#49
In interest of accuracy the President wit held that aid.	former9thward	Nov 2012	#51
Congress holds the purse strings and Congress made the decision	azurnoir	Nov 2012	#52
Spoken like a true lord of the manor.	JackRiddler	Nov 2012	#32
So they are entitled to the money no matter what.	former9thward	Nov 2012	#37
Your questions are irrelevant.	JackRiddler	Nov 2012	#38
More arms sales to Israel. nt	awoke_in_2003	Nov 2012	#9
Ugh, still carrying water for Bibi.	geek tragedy	Nov 2012	#2
This is NOT one of the reasons I supported Obama's re-election	99th_Monkey	Nov 2012	#5
I know he should have capital but will the tea baggers thwart Obama	movonne	Nov 2012	#7
TeaBaggers in the House have no power over Obama's position on Palestine	99th_Monkey	Nov 2012	#11
Need. New. Excuses. n/t	DeSwiss	Nov 2012	#21
He is using his political capital. He's using it to bolster his policy of supporting Israel	Freddie Stubbs	Nov 2012	#35
There is NO alternative to creating a Palestinian state as soon as possible.	Ken Burch	Nov 2012	#12
The Palestinian strategy must shift to the one-state solution.	geek tragedy	Nov 2012	#15
Perhaps the Palestinians have always favored a one-state "solution."	Chef Eric	Nov 2012	#17
Arafat rejected Clinton's proposals because he knew he didn't have the support.	Rhiannon12866	Nov 2012	#27
The "peace process" was entirely unfair	cpwm17	Nov 2012	#29
Creating a state destined to fail almost immediately serves no one in the long run	hack89	Nov 2012	#18
The war is equally both sides' fault. You can't blame it all on the Palestinians	Ken Burch	Nov 2012	#50
You have it backwards	hack89	Nov 2012	#54
The two-state solution is dead	cpwm17	Nov 2012	#14
There will never be a one state solution	hack89	Nov 2012	#19
With the extreme imbalance of power	cpwm17	Nov 2012	#24
The war has to stop first	hack89	Nov 2012	#26
at the moment Hamas is not a player in this period	azurnoir	Nov 2012	#31
So Hamas does not control Gaza?	hack89	Nov 2012	#34
yes it does however the Palestinians are going to the UN about the West Bank	azurnoir	Nov 2012	#42
So if there are presently two independent Palestinian territories and governments	hack89	Nov 2012	#43
there is only one semi-independent Palestinian entity and that is Gaza it is semi	azurnoir	Nov 2012	#44
So Gaza is a problem to be solved separately?	hack89	Nov 2012	#45
at the moment that is sadly the state of things and as to your piecemeal statement that has been	azurnoir	Nov 2012	#47
I voted for him but I'm not with Obama on this one!	L0oniX	Nov 2012	#22
Is anyone really surprised??	AnOhioan	Nov 2012	#30
I'm not.	R. Daneel Olivaw	Nov 2012	#53
OK, how about instead they get the right to vote reps into the Knesset based on their population?	Ash_F	Nov 2012	#33
WHY?	lsewpershad	Nov 2012	#40
I guess he wants to follow the Democratic Party Platform when it comes to Israel	Freddie Stubbs	Nov 2012	#41
so the Democratic party platform favors occupation is that it? or more accurately	azurnoir	Nov 2012	#46
The Democratic Platform calls for "an unshakable commitment to Israel's security."	Freddie Stubbs	Nov 2012	#57
yes I'm sure those West Bank Palestinians would be rolling their tanks across the border ina flash	azurnoir	Nov 2012	#59
Many Democratic Party members favor human rights	cpwm17	Nov 2012	#56
And many Democratic Party members favor supporting Israel's security	Freddie Stubbs	Nov 2012	#58
And one DUer used to have a painting of a blue dog in his sig line.	Occulus	Nov 2012	#60
Traitor to the Democratic cause? By supporting Democratic members of Congress?	Freddie Stubbs	Nov 2012	#61
+1	Kingofalldems	Nov 2012	#62
Of course he did.	MyNameGoesHere	Nov 2012	#48

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