Latest Breaking News

Bette Noir

(3,581 posts)

101. Yeah? I lived in LA until two years ago.

Sun Nov 11, 2012, 01:51 AM

Nov 2012

They encourage neighbors to nark out their neighbors, if they have leaky faucets or broken sprinkler heads. Then the Water Cops come to the door with a $125 ticket.

I eat a lot less meat than I did a few years ago, but that's NOT the City's business. Letting them get away with this kind of suggestion gives fuel to the RWers who yell about liberals "hating freedom."

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

179 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Meatless Mondays': LA urges residents to turn vegetarian one day a week [View all] onehandle Nov 2012 OP

Great idea . . . Richard D Nov 2012 #1

An even better idea would be automobileless Mondays. xtraxritical Nov 2012 #44

Automobileless Mondays won't work in my family. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #55

Cutting meat consumption to a reasonable level is critcal to fighting climate change. antigone382 Nov 2012 #2

I've definitely cut back on my meat intake. Salviati Nov 2012 #3

Ignore the arrogant nanny-state psychos, onehandle slackmaster Nov 2012 #4

Agriculture is one of the number one sources of carbon emissions. antigone382 Nov 2012 #5

A city government has no business telling people what they should and should not eat slackmaster Nov 2012 #6

human activity is causing climate change. Agriculture is a part of that activity. antigone382 Nov 2012 #7

It's not the LA city council's job to save the planet from anthropogenic climate change slackmaster Nov 2012 #8

It's everyone's job to do that. Everyone's. antigone382 Nov 2012 #9

As a matter of fact, the first thing I did before responding to the OP was to read the charter slackmaster Nov 2012 #12

Well when the city council walks into your dining room and snatches a chicken off your plate... antigone382 Nov 2012 #82

lolz ...... well-said! meti57b Nov 2012 #89

Thanks. This is probably the most textbook "first world problem" I've ever encountered. antigone382 Nov 2012 #91

You don't see the irony here, do you..... PavePusher Nov 2012 #136

Umm, yes, I see that that is a problem. antigone382 Nov 2012 #137

I dispute your characterization of the council's recommendation as "scientifically correct" slackmaster Nov 2012 #138

What is scientifically correct is that high rates of meat consumption contribute to climate change. antigone382 Nov 2012 #139

And there is NO BASIS for claiming that meat-eaters voluntarily giving up meat one day each week... slackmaster Nov 2012 #140

foodways are a defining feature of culture. antigone382 Nov 2012 #142

Having meat eaters pretend to be vegetarians one day per week won't change foodways slackmaster Nov 2012 #144

Well that sounds like a great argument for the city council to ban meat forever. antigone382 Nov 2012 #146

Typical authoritarian knee-jerk reaction slackmaster Nov 2012 #147

Yes, that is precisely my view. antigone382 Nov 2012 #148

P.S. Technically climate change will force them to... antigone382 Nov 2012 #150

I have no problem with my LA City Council doing this... SoapBox Nov 2012 #10

I know many Angelinos. Nobody I know will take the recommendation seriously. slackmaster Nov 2012 #14

I'm sorry... SoapBox Nov 2012 #18

apparently you don't know many in Silver Lake CreekDog Nov 2012 #129

Did they have a giant vegetarian get-together last night to celebrate the council's proclamation? slackmaster Nov 2012 #131

How can you argue simultaneously that this is a toothless and ineffective action... antigone382 Nov 2012 #141

It's worse than any of that, I'm afraid slackmaster Nov 2012 #143

Can you read their minds? antigone382 Nov 2012 #145

I don't have to read their minds. They're politicians. slackmaster Nov 2012 #157

If local politicians are that inherently dishonest and atavistic... antigone382 Nov 2012 #161

I didn't say that local politicians are any different than state or national ones slackmaster Nov 2012 #171

So in answer to my key question, what is an effective course of action regarding climate change? antigone382 Nov 2012 #175

To me it seems that the problem is so big that it will require major commitments on the part... slackmaster Nov 2012 #178

Yeah? I lived in LA until two years ago. Bette Noir Nov 2012 #101

Do You Lose Sleep Over Right Wing Opinions? Paladin Nov 2012 #102

sleep? No MurrayDelph Nov 2012 #107

They don't think they have a legal right to control anything of the sort. antigone382 Nov 2012 #110

Jeez, Look Who's Griping About "Over-Reaching" (nt) Paladin Nov 2012 #116

It does occur to you that LA gets almost all its water from somewhere else, right? antigone382 Nov 2012 #111

Except that isn't what they're doing, Nancy Kneejerk. Are you forced into a church on Easter? DRoseDARs Nov 2012 #21

I hope you enjoy your Tofurkey slackmaster Nov 2012 #24

"Tofurkey" and "Tuesday is Soylent Green Day" lalalu Nov 2012 #42

What part of "voluntary" and "symbolic" confuses you so? DRoseDARs Nov 2012 #51

I grew up and have eaten Comida Mexicana most of my life. Refritos frijoles and eggs IS breakfast. freshwest Nov 2012 #69

if you think Thanksgiving is on a Monday, LOL, you have no idea what you're talking about CreekDog Nov 2012 #95

I am a vegetarian, but have never cared for Tofurkey. n/t RebelOne Nov 2012 #120

cheese enchiladas mitchtv Nov 2012 #153

This may be the best response ever given on DU. flvegan Nov 2012 #25

I'm sure it's only a suggestion, not a mandate. Fish for Fridays was cultural, not a law. freshwest Nov 2012 #22

It's a suggestion that will be laughed at by a few, ignored by most slackmaster Nov 2012 #26

I wouldn't mind being given the option of a good meatless meal at a restaurant, if I ate out. freshwest Nov 2012 #32

You already have that option, unless you live in a small town or a rural area slackmaster Nov 2012 #35

Getting re-elected by voters who agree with it, is wrong, how? If they're the majority? freshwest Nov 2012 #38

I can tell you why it offends that poster CreekDog Nov 2012 #128

It's amazing how thoroughly your personal bias against me prevents you from seeing the truth slackmaster Nov 2012 #130

it's great that you think the worst of our Democrats and liberals in office CreekDog Nov 2012 #96

I don't regard the members of the L.A. city council as liberals in any sense of the word slackmaster Nov 2012 #133

They aren't your city council and you mainly are criticizing them because they did something liberal CreekDog Nov 2012 #149

Your brand of liberalism is not sacrosanct on DU. This board is for Democrats of all stripes. slackmaster Nov 2012 #154

liberalism IS sacrosanct on DU, absolutely CreekDog Nov 2012 #155

Holy, inviolable, immune from criticism slackmaster Nov 2012 #162

nobody said "free from criticism", but free from criticism simply because it is liberalism CreekDog Nov 2012 #164

As I have posted here repeatedly, giving people dietary advice without a scientific basis is not... slackmaster Nov 2012 #168

it is based on science CreekDog Nov 2012 #170

Show me the science that demonstrates that asking meat-eaters to give up meat one day each week... slackmaster Nov 2012 #172

so now you're saying it's scientifically valid *if* people follow the advice CreekDog Nov 2012 #176

I'd like to see what happens in a controlled situation with volunteers who WILL follow the advice... slackmaster Nov 2012 #179

You aren't being "centrist" you're mocking a health and environmental campaign with right wing snark CreekDog Nov 2012 #156

The worst kind of nannyism. earthside Nov 2012 #37

'The worst kind of nannyism'? Surpassing transvaginal ultrasounds, criminalizing abortion and... freshwest Nov 2012 #65

It's a voluntary suggestion. antigone382 Nov 2012 #84

+1000 Very well said! gtar100 Nov 2012 #109

they aren't telling you how to eat CreekDog Nov 2012 #177

True. Also vegetarians are not always healthy. lalalu Nov 2012 #39

I am 73 years old and have been vegetarian for the past 15 years. RebelOne Nov 2012 #94

Not all but it is a problem lalalu Nov 2012 #100

Fish is the only meat that I will eat. RebelOne Nov 2012 #121

they aren't your city's government CreekDog Nov 2012 #48

LOL, let me know when LAPD starts raiding supermarkets! alp227 Nov 2012 #77

who's job is it? neversaydie Nov 2012 #98

Eat as much meat as you like, the best thing you can do for the environment 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #61

There are sustainable levels at which meat can be consumed. antigone382 Nov 2012 #81

What about hunting? Maybe it's time to eat deer now? alp227 Nov 2012 #78

Well sure; I slaughtered a chicken myself this afternoon. antigone382 Nov 2012 #80

So how can the law prevent the cruelty of factory farming? alp227 Nov 2012 #83

I don't really understand why you're asking this question in relation to the OP... antigone382 Nov 2012 #85

"nanny state"??? that's a right wing term and LA's advice is environmentally sound CreekDog Nov 2012 #40

Would you care to place a wager on the likelihood that all 12 council members will comply with... slackmaster Nov 2012 #113

"Nanny state" is a right wing term and going meat-free one day per week is sound advice CreekDog Nov 2012 #119

I think people should decide for themselves what is best for them to eat, and how much of it slackmaster Nov 2012 #132

do you hate Spare the Air days? where we're encouraged to drive less? CreekDog Nov 2012 #151

You seem to be having a hard time staying on topic slackmaster Nov 2012 #159

you are against the vegetarian day, so you are against the "don't drive day" too, right? CreekDog Nov 2012 #165

Wow, I can't imagine how you could have missed the point any more thoroughly slackmaster Nov 2012 #169

No I liked this idea before you came to this thread to dump all over it with anti-liberal bile CreekDog Nov 2012 #173

If you can show me that the idea has actual merit, I might like it too slackmaster Nov 2012 #174

"George, tell me about the rabbits again." LanternWaste Nov 2012 #108

Who can afford meat anyway? SCVDem Nov 2012 #11

It's A Suggestion, Not An Edict. Paladin Nov 2012 #13

I'll ditto that! SoapBox Nov 2012 #20

Agreed. And sometimes a meatless day will even settle a person down. freshwest Nov 2012 #23

Excellent 2banon Nov 2012 #15

pigs are dogs veganlush Nov 2012 #16

+1 bitchkitty Nov 2012 #28

Er ... no. 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #62

Does chicken count as meat? animato Nov 2012 #17

If it's a dead animal, it's meat. ET Awful Nov 2012 #27

As a vegetarian, the question I am asked the most: rainbow4321 Nov 2012 #93

If it had a face or a mother WRH2 Nov 2012 #97

My family is in Illinois and we've been at this for about a year. Snarkoleptic Nov 2012 #19

My immediate thought... SoapBox Nov 2012 #29

My favorite. lalalu Nov 2012 #33

A wonderful food from Indonesia, roody Nov 2012 #103

I have been advising friends and family to try these: Trajan Nov 2012 #105

What's almost as bad as the right? Ter Nov 2012 #30

Yeah!!! You should see us here in San Francisco... AsahinaKimi Nov 2012 #54

When do we get to see... awoke_in_2003 Nov 2012 #68

I thought I had a workable link but I don't, for my photo album. AsahinaKimi Nov 2012 #73

LOL! Love it. freshwest Nov 2012 #70

LOL - that pic brings back memories bitchkitty Nov 2012 #106

with the typical SAAB falling apart in the background snooper2 Nov 2012 #114

A can of V-8 would fix that problem slackmaster Nov 2012 #118

It's fine if it is voluntary. I sometimes go meatless anyway. lalalu Nov 2012 #31

I think it's a great idea and find it sad that so many are so defensive about it. forestpath Nov 2012 #34

Ditto to you SoapBox Nov 2012 #36

It's a personal and cultural thing. 'My mom fed me bacon and she loved me! Don't say she was wrong!' freshwest Nov 2012 #71

How about having fewer children. What about that environmental impact. Gregorian Nov 2012 #41

You get applause from me. lalalu Nov 2012 #43

Health is the primary reason. Nothing to do with population. nt onehandle Nov 2012 #45

Doug Stanhope.......Sodomy is Eco-Friendly and Abortion is Green thelordofhell Nov 2012 #47

That was hilarious lalalu Nov 2012 #52

And yet suggesting that will get you berated by even the greenest vegan 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #63

That would not be a problem with me. RebelOne Nov 2012 #46

I've always hated the idea of meatless Mondays Ratty Nov 2012 #49

THAT is such a great idea... SoapBox Nov 2012 #57

I only have to cook for myself. Ratty Nov 2012 #74

From the way people are reacting to this, you'd think they'd actually outlawed meat. ET Awful Nov 2012 #50

Good idea... Blasphemer Nov 2012 #53

I only have 1- 2 meals of meat a week, watercolors Nov 2012 #56

I remember we did that as kids on Fridays so we could get into Heaven. nt valerief Nov 2012 #58

I've cut down on meat consumption in general but mostly to save money 4th law of robotics Nov 2012 #59

People are Already Grouchy Enough on Mondays... AndyTiedye Nov 2012 #60

How effective are these sorts of ... surrealAmerican Nov 2012 #64

It is like planting a seed. It gets watered, roody Nov 2012 #104

No, it's like planking.. snooper2 Nov 2012 #115

Story in Ag news about this at jtuck004 Nov 2012 #66

Sorry, couldn't resist.... Harry Monroe Nov 2012 #67

Susan Feniger's new restaurant, "Street" offers a meatless Monday menu Beaverhausen Nov 2012 #72

I couldn't be a vegetarian for even one day glacierbay Nov 2012 #75

Voluntary is OK. AnnaLee Nov 2012 #76

So what have Perry and Reyes done about food deserts in LA that LACK fresh produce? alp227 Nov 2012 #79

Doing real work is too hard. So is science and stuff. slackmaster Nov 2012 #117

Reyes has done more than you about Climate Change and certainly more for LA than you CreekDog Nov 2012 #158

Mr. Reyes is a recognized authority on land use and urban planning slackmaster Nov 2012 #160

so you're saying he can't weigh in on those topics LMAO CreekDog Nov 2012 #166

Says the guy who thinks I shouldn't weigh on on something the L.A. city council said slackmaster Nov 2012 #167

You can have my burger when you pry it from my cold, dead hands. n/t malthaussen Nov 2012 #86

Not eating meat is a good first step... Kalidurga Nov 2012 #87

I've been increasing our 'meatless' meals for years .... Trajan Nov 2012 #88

We have meatless Sundays frazzled Nov 2012 #90

Prior to Vatican 2 revolution breeze Nov 2012 #92

Portobello Burgers HockeyMom Nov 2012 #99

Vegetarian here and I love Portobello mushrooms. RebelOne Nov 2012 #122

I'll take a Tofu Tuesday too!! lunasun Nov 2012 #112

On Mondays I will not eat my 20 oz steak. aikoaiko Nov 2012 #123

Use Your Savings To Buy More Ammunition. (nt) Paladin Nov 2012 #124

You too my little gun owning friend. aikoaiko Nov 2012 #125

I Dunno....... Paladin Nov 2012 #126

I had a carne asada taco for dinner last night in solidarity with the meat eaters of Los Angeles slackmaster Nov 2012 #127

No meat on Mondays, mary195149 Nov 2012 #134

Yes. Fish is, for the most part, only meat I eat. onehandle Nov 2012 #135

Who knew a "food" thread would get this much response:) llmart Nov 2012 #152

I'm 54 and eat about 1/5 as much (red) meat as I did in my 20s and 30s slackmaster Nov 2012 #163