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Comrade Grumpy

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29. "Amnesty is completely different from a path to citizenship."

Reply to lalalu (Reply #16)

Sat Nov 10, 2012, 03:04 PM

Nov 2012

No, it's not. It's exactly the same thing, except that "amnesty" is the right-wing buzz word.

We need comprehensive immigration reform, which includes a path to citizenship for those already here.

And this is a perfect time for it. Obama has had his mandate renewed, and illegal immigration is way down, taking off some of the "first we have to secure the borders" pressure.

Don't like depressed wages because of undocumented workers with no rights? Either make them legal through citizenship or make them legal through work permits, and then they can organize (or not) like other workers to protect their rights. This isn't a zero-sum game.

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Immigration Reform Effort To Begin In Senate Post-Inauguration [View all] Adenoid_Hynkel Nov 2012 OP

Do it. I want PBO to be on the TV asking everyone to call their Congress critter to pass it. Vincardog Nov 2012 #1

It is still dicey. lalalu Nov 2012 #2

You can't place limits on the rights of naturalized US Citizens. Violates Equal Protection. leveymg Nov 2012 #3

LOL, I don't like "swarthy brown people"? lalalu Nov 2012 #4

Ok. Why then do you want to limit the ability of naturalized citizens to sponsor relatives? leveymg Nov 2012 #5

The Dream Act would be amnesty and can have limitations. lalalu Nov 2012 #6

Yes, on their initial legalized status. But, no limits can extend after people naturalize. leveymg Nov 2012 #7

The Dream Act would be an exception. lalalu Nov 2012 #8

Many immigrants are allowed to legalize their status with various waivers as it is. DREAM doesn't leveymg Nov 2012 #9

Wrong lalalu Nov 2012 #10

Most of this arguments fail to address the problem AlphaCentauri Nov 2012 #11

There is reality. lalalu Nov 2012 #12

and reality check AlphaCentauri Nov 2012 #20

You are checking nothing lalalu Nov 2012 #22

Did you even read the article? lunamagica Nov 2012 #13

Univision and Telemundo? lalalu Nov 2012 #14

I read your post. Looks like you didn't read the article lunamagica Nov 2012 #15

It isn't about what i think. lalalu Nov 2012 #16

No don't think it's OK. But it is what millions of Latinos watch lunamagica Nov 2012 #17

Again you should go back and read. lalalu Nov 2012 #18

Well, then, I guess Obama made a big mistake in not consulting you before spending so much money on lunamagica Nov 2012 #19

Once again you post an article about a Hispanic lalalu Nov 2012 #23

Seriously? My view of Hispanics comes from being one lunamagica Nov 2012 #24

Most Hispanics? lalalu Nov 2012 #25

"Amnesty is completely different from a path to citizenship." Comrade Grumpy Nov 2012 #29

Yes it is completely different. lalalu Nov 2012 #30

55% of repubs, 75% of Democrats but only 46% of teabaggers support a path to citizenship pampango Nov 2012 #21

I believe you've just outed that one. BlueCaliDem Nov 2012 #26

Reality will show you what the lalalu Nov 2012 #32

Amnesty and a path to citizenship are not the same. lalalu Nov 2012 #27

Wow, I just read this. Wonderful post! lunamagica Nov 2012 #28

Here is proof. lalalu Nov 2012 #31