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Response to freshwest (Reply #38)

Thu Nov 8, 2012, 02:25 PM

47. Good post. I have only relatively recently discovered the lack of justice for many

who were victims of Germany's Government. And the last thing any American would want would be to have any outside entity do what we ourselves ought to be doing as it is obvious how disastrous that would be.

But we do have laws here, many of which were violated. And if you are correct that every US President could be convicted of war crimes, then we are clearly on the wrong path.

The only way to change a country's direction is for the people to refuse to close their eyes and continue to demand that we live up to what we claim to be. It certainly won't change if the people either defend those policies for whatever reason, or remain ignorant of them. Knowledge is power and far too many people here, no different from any other country, find it hard to face the reality that their own leaders may not be what they think they are.

Prosecuting criminals serves as a deterrent for future criminals. But when we not only refuse to prosecute them, but protect them, refuse to even acknowledge the crimes, and then go further and persecute Whistle Blowers and the Press, there is little hope of ever resolving these issues and every reason to believe things will become even worse.

At the very least there should have been hearings after Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo and steps taken to condemn and ban the practices that led to those crimes. The hearings we did have, did not include those most responsible.

One thing that won't work is to continue to defend them. And the Press, Wikileaks, are the only way for people to learn what is going on. I am not sure what you mean by 'taking advantage' of Manning. Wikileaks was a functioning media organization which had received awards for exposing corruption in other governments, long before Manning decided to use them. They have never revealed the identities of any of their sources despite many threats from dictators and other corrupt entities. They did not reveal Manning's identity either.

During the Bush years, the Left was thrilled to see new media like Wikileaks begin to step into the void left by our own media which had become nothing but a propaganda machine for the very people they should have been exposing. But the timing of the Wikileaks documents, which mostly dealt with Bush war crimes, seems to have either silenced some on the Left, or caused them to change their minds about having a truly free press, something they so loudly advocated for during the Bush years.

So long as we allow politics to guide our principles regarding what is right and what is wrong, I think there is zero hope of anything changing, and worse, we can only look forward to things getting worse. Eg, the next time a Republican President is in office, can the 'left' now credibly criticize them anymore? Some maybe, but what we have learned is that even though most of the Wikileaks documents are from the Bush years, the Left has done a complete about turn regarding the very crimes they were so vocal about back then. How beautifully this works for those who start illegal wars.

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