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In the discussion thread: Julian Assange bids to sue Julia Gillard for defamation over WikiLeaks comments [View all]

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Thu Oct 11, 2012, 01:02 PM

tama (9,137 posts)

203. Is the criticism

that Obama administration and the the political system of US as whole is limiting freedom of speech and other 1st amendment rights factual? Yes it is and the law mentioned above is just one example.

Do you oppose that policy or support it? Note that both denial and rationalizations count as support.

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Julian Assange bids to sue Julia Gillard for defamation over WikiLeaks comments [View all]	Swagman	Oct 2012	OP
Will it be difficult to prove the case while hes hiding in the embassy? nt	cstanleytech	Oct 2012	#1
csta - how is he hiding. We know where he is	SESKATOW	Oct 2012	#3
Fine. How difficult will it be to prove the case while he is refusing to leave the embassy?	cstanleytech	Oct 2012	#9
Refusing to leave the embassy	SESKATOW	Oct 2012	#41
Lets see	cstanleytech	Oct 2012	#57
he has said	SESKATOW	Oct 2012	#82
Hey, the doubt you cast was on him doing it which I have shown he did do.	cstanleytech	Oct 2012	#106
You can claim yet again "that legally they cannot agree to that term",	ronnie624	Oct 2012	#110
and sweden has form	SESKATOW	Oct 2012	#116
there is no good reason why sweden cant question him in london	SESKATOW	Oct 2012	#115
I imagine the plaintiff would be Wikileaks, not Assange.	JDPriestly	Oct 2012	#108
The title though was "Julian Assange bids to sue Julia Gillard" not	cstanleytech	Oct 2012	#146
But it is really about Wikileaks, not just Assange.	JDPriestly	Oct 2012	#170
Yes however it was Assange who hired the lawyer. nt	cstanleytech	Oct 2012	#171
Maybe because he wants to know for sure what his legal status is in Australia.	JDPriestly	Oct 2012	#173
But see I dont dislike him, I just dont believe that this is a vaste conspiracy against him.	cstanleytech	Oct 2012	#174
Unless they want to establish legal precedent that will intimidate the press. That is totally	JDPriestly	Oct 2012	#183
I see alot of conjecture there without anything solid though.	cstanleytech	Oct 2012	#184
All the US has to do is to promise everyone that they consider Wikileak's activities to be as much	JDPriestly	Oct 2012	#212
I don't think anyone would have a problem with Wikileaks facilitating whistleblowing.	randome	Oct 2012	#213
How do you differentiate between "military secrets" and news?	JDPriestly	Oct 2012	#218
How would you know if they're just 'protecting themselves' or...	randome	Oct 2012	#219
Ok lets break this down.	cstanleytech	Oct 2012	#215
How is it defamation?	treestar	Oct 2012	#2
in a word - yes!!!!!	SESKATOW	Oct 2012	#4
Australia law is as strange in this as United States law is...	MrMickeysMom	Oct 2012	#5
Why doesn't he go home?	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#8
Oh, you found evidence that he is to be deported to the US? Link please. nt	cstanleytech	Oct 2012	#11
Here ya go.	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#14
Funny how all the "news" articles like this show up in "commentary" and "opinion" sections?	George II	Oct 2012	#16
Who said it was news?	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#17
Obviously the poster since this is in "Late Breaking News" !!!!	George II	Oct 2012	#22
You're confused	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#23
No, I'm not confused - reread the first post of mine to which you replied:	George II	Oct 2012	#24
OK I'm thinking...gimme a second. nt	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#25
Just because he fears he "may" be charged with a crime isnt evidence that he has been charged.	cstanleytech	Oct 2012	#26
Ah, so he should step outside and see whether he's going to face the death penalty in the US...	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#29
The streets of London would be mighty empty if everyone was as paranoid as him.	George II	Oct 2012	#32
No kidding! This moron thinks they're actually out to get him.	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#35
If they were there waiting for him to leave, don't you think they'd be looking AT the building??	George II	Oct 2012	#47
You have a point there, but who knows how long they've been cooling their heels there.	freshwest	Oct 2012	#80
Are you suggesting that the guards are standing there like the guards at the factory	JDPriestly	Oct 2012	#109
I'm not suggesting anything...	George II	Oct 2012	#117
It comes from the statement about what the guards are doing in front of the Ecuadorian Embassy in	JDPriestly	Oct 2012	#130
They don't look very eager to do anything. 'Just doin' my job, Sir.'	freshwest	Oct 2012	#79
No, he should step out and do what he agreed to do in the first place when he was granted bail	cstanleytech	Oct 2012	#58
yikes..	BetterThanNoSN	Oct 2012	#118
The claim he might be "disappeared" is imo complete and utter BS.	cstanleytech	Oct 2012	#136
That's propapanda from one of Assange's many lawyers, Michael Ratner	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#37
You apparently have no idea what propaganda is.	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#39
Without real reference to statute, legislative history, or court case, it can't be "legal opinion":	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#64
Did you just make that up?	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#84
yawn	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#99
I'll take that for a "yes". nt	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#102
If you pull it all together, yeah. But few of the writings on Assange, pro or con, are objective.	freshwest	Oct 2012	#86
You don't think US breaches of international law are an embarrassment?	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#90
Embarrassing to who? Me? Yeah, if I was in charge. Were they to Bush? Was slavery an embarrassment	freshwest	Oct 2012	#95
We agree on the end result	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#98
Assange could be charged under the Espionage Act...	AntiFascist	Oct 2012	#153
There is no anti-Assange crowd. There is likely an anti-Wikileaks, anti-Anonymous crowd.	freshwest	Oct 2012	#155
Sorry but I have to address a number of inaccuracies in your post...	AntiFascist	Oct 2012	#157
"Crush" Wikileaks?	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#166
"US Designates Assange 'Enemy of State'"	99th_Monkey	Oct 2012	#55
Many people seem to have serious reading comprehension problems	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#123
Brother! You can say that again.	99th_Monkey	Oct 2012	#145
The only attribution is to documents they did not deign to print.	randome	Oct 2012	#147
So it's your contention that these news sites just pulled all this out of their ass?	99th_Monkey	Oct 2012	#148
It isn't a news article unless it references corroborated documents.	randome	Oct 2012	#149
Your painstaking denial and selective myopia regarding Assange is duly noted. ~nt	99th_Monkey	Oct 2012	#150
Well. So much for debating points. Aspersions are easier to throw about, I suppose.	randome	Oct 2012	#151
Not to worry about standing out in a crowd! But you have yet to provide a single credible argument	sabrina 1	Oct 2012	#176
You evidently don't understand the nature of the charge or why it might be brought	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#152
I confess that there IS something I don't understand	99th_Monkey	Oct 2012	#154
Are Troops Talking to Assange ‘Communicating With the Enemy’?	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#187
apparently they are suspicious of "communicating with the enemy"	reorg	Oct 2012	#197
Well, talking to someone who is, in essence, a foreign spy, might be considered noteworthy.	randome	Oct 2012	#198
I'll guess you just didn't read the FOIA release carefully. The investigation in this case concerned	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#206
oh, I did, but you seem to be struggling to get a grasp	reorg	Oct 2012	#209
Whoa! Great post. Thanks for all those details. Very helpful. nt	99th_Monkey	Oct 2012	#211
Apparently so.	99th_Monkey	Oct 2012	#210
A Pentagon spokesman said...	AntiFascist	Oct 2012	#214
The distinction you make is very helpful in understanding this situation	99th_Monkey	Oct 2012	#216
Why via Sweden?	treestar	Oct 2012	#18
As a cover for the bullshit allegations of sexual misconduct	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#20
Why preserve appearances that way?	treestar	Oct 2012	#28
Whatever	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#30
are you like a teenager?	treestar	Oct 2012	#31
I have teenage kids who are smart enough to recognize a trumped-up charge	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#33
So who has to answer to sex offender charges and who doesn't?	treestar	Oct 2012	#44
Usually it's when there is some evidence- ANY evidence	LadyHawkAZ	Oct 2012	#46
It's still an investigation, and he said he would cooperate with the Swedish investigation...	George II	Oct 2012	#49
He cooperated up until it got political	LadyHawkAZ	Oct 2012	#51
How did it get "political", and who made it that way?	George II	Oct 2012	#60
No evidence, initial charges dropped...	LadyHawkAZ	Oct 2012	#71
Yes, why should not all accusations that end up in indictment or the country's equivalent be taken t	treestar	Oct 2012	#50
Once more with feeling: evidence is where the line is traditionally drawn	LadyHawkAZ	Oct 2012	#52
So he can challenge the Swedish system	treestar	Oct 2012	#72
It is demonstrably not civilized	LadyHawkAZ	Oct 2012	#89
If they have their equivalent of probable cause	treestar	Oct 2012	#112
What's their probable cause?	LadyHawkAZ	Oct 2012	#140
Assange has promised to go to Sweden for a simple promise	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#65
Why not?	treestar	Oct 2012	#73
If you can't see, I can't explain it to you.	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#74
So why can't he answer to the Swedish charges	treestar	Oct 2012	#75
He has answered to them, you really don't want to know anyway,	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#76
There are no charges. Going into the third year and the Swedish Prosecutor still refuses to file a	sabrina 1	Oct 2012	#175
especially when the "Sex offense"	azureblue	Oct 2012	#59
So he's hiding out to avoid a $150 fine?	msanthrope	Oct 2012	#85
... This is an allegation of rape. The framework list is ticked for rape. The defence accepts	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#124
she's sleeping so how does she know he raped her? Did she scream? Say no? Did he force her to	wordpix	Oct 2012	#156
The case will be tried in Sweden. It's inappropriate to try such matters in the media.	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#158
yes, if he's innocent he should hang around, get extradicted & possibly found guilty on a	wordpix	Oct 2012	#193
That would ruin his hopes of becoming an international martyr	George II	Oct 2012	#48
Rhetorical	SESKATOW	Oct 2012	#43
"a false accusation of an offense or a malicious misrepresentation of someone's words or actions"	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#10
Is that Australian law?	treestar	Oct 2012	#19
He probably missed seeing his name in the headlines so concocted this crazy accusation.	George II	Oct 2012	#15
+1 especially since she said this in late 2010	treestar	Oct 2012	#21
the Australian government has refused to re-issue him with a passport	Swagman	Oct 2012	#125
That doesn't seem likely	treestar	Oct 2012	#133
The UK confiscated his passport at the start of the extradition fight	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#163
He surrendered his passport as part of a criminal proceeding	hack89	Oct 2012	#172
The Australian PM is liable for the lies she told early on and which she was forced to retract after	sabrina 1	Oct 2012	#179
" massive condemnation"?	hack89	Oct 2012	#185
I love how Wikileaks haters are so in denial about how outside this insulated-from-world-news	sabrina 1	Oct 2012	#186
I don't find it upsetting	hack89	Oct 2012	#191
Is Assange claiming Wikileaks did NOT release the cables on their website?	freshwest	Oct 2012	#6
the PM said he had committed a crime which is not true. On that basis Mastercard declined	Swagman	Oct 2012	#127
This message was self-deleted by its author	freshwest	Oct 2012	#138
Julia Gillard is from the left side of the Labor party (our notionally centre left party)	soaky	Oct 2012	#159
That was the opinion of the radio host. The link was there when I followed the OP link.	freshwest	Oct 2012	#160
You can safely ignore anything that emanates from any of Alan Jone's orifices! nt	soaky	Oct 2012	#168
Another week. Another rant against the world.	randome	Oct 2012	#7
Right - only if he's allowed to pout while doing so.	George II	Oct 2012	#13
But of course	treestar	Oct 2012	#27
You forgot the CIA. Okay, it might be covered under the "United States" but I bet he think they	msanthrope	Oct 2012	#34
The thing Assange came out with last	Cha	Oct 2012	#56
Oh right ! I had forgotten that one already!	treestar	Oct 2012	#114
He should learn to face his OWN existing legal issues before creating questionable new ones.	George II	Oct 2012	#12
Is the irony lost on him?	JNelson6563	Oct 2012	#36
So Ass***e is not the big free speech advocate he pretends to be	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#38
I would agree	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#42
Accusing individuals of murder is hardly "transparency in government'	boppers	Oct 2012	#63
If those individuals are guilty of murder	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#83
... he used his balcony address to ... cast himself as a guardian of free speech ...	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#67
... Patiño praised Assange as a fighter for free expression ...	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#69
I was under the impression that he was a government transparency advocate	LadyHawkAZ	Oct 2012	#45
Julian Assange Says Obama Is “Criminalizing Free Speech"	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#66
HR 437	tama	Oct 2012	#194
"... Whoever .. knowingly engages in any act of physical violence against any person or property	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#195
How desperate	tama	Oct 2012	#196
So you don't object to the provisions of 1752(a)(4)? Do you object to 1752(a)(1), which	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#201
Is the criticism	tama	Oct 2012	#203
After reading the text, I have no idea what you're talking about, so mebbe you can clarify:	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#205
OK	tama	Oct 2012	#207
Read the House Judiciary Report: "The United States Secret Service provides protective services	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#217
... he accused the US of a ‘witch-hunt’ that threatened freedom of expression ...	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#68
"Ass***e"	Hissyspit	Oct 2012	#128
A Julian Assange story	LiberalLovinLug	Oct 2012	#40
+1	Kurovski	Oct 2012	#53
Bradley Manning was emotionally and mentally unstable.	randome	Oct 2012	#61
There's no way Manning reviewed and considered 750K documents	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#70
Yes he should have hired a staff to help him	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#77
He can't credibly claim to have been whistle-blowing -- and so he won't claim that	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#78
It's all about whistleblowing.	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#81
Then why didn't he follow the whistleblowing statutes that would have protected him? The MWPA would	msanthrope	Oct 2012	#88
Not sure, but there could be any number of reasons.	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#92
Intercepted by whom? Did he really think Dennis Kucinich or Bernie Sanders would not have done the	msanthrope	Oct 2012	#94
So he would just ring Kucinich's office and say, "Yo, I need to talk to Dennis..."	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#96
Mr Manning was in the United States in January 2010. He brought with him material that he chose to	msanthrope	Oct 2012	#139
Do the arithmetic: if he released 750K documents, he couldn't have any clear idea what was in there,	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#101
No careful and conscientious enough for you, is he?	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#104
His lawyer will argue at court martial he's a disturbed young man:	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#126
So this negates all the crimes and deceptions in the leaks?	LiberalLovinLug	Oct 2012	#142
Why can't both those be called out for what they are?	randome	Oct 2012	#144
Taking advantage of Manning?	LiberalLovinLug	Oct 2012	#167
Where have you been?	randome	Oct 2012	#169
Great article.	go west young man	Oct 2012	#111
I with you	LiberalLovinLug	Oct 2012	#141
I hope he wins	Hydra	Oct 2012	#54
Keep the pedal to the metal Julian!!!	DeSwiss	Oct 2012	#62
The 2006 amendments to Australian defamation law generally limit actions to within one year	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#87
Maybe Julian is really hiding in the embassy to escape the various lawyers he's stiffed:	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#91
Various? Are there others, or did you just feel the need to pad your non-story?	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#93
He seems to stiff a lot of folk: those who put up his bail, those who pay him advances for books ...	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#97
I bet he doesn't floss either	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#100
He's a rip-off artist: rips off his lawyers, rips off his publishers, rips off his friends	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#103
Got anything besides tabloid fodder?	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#105
So is the BBC a tabloid now wtmusic?	cstanleytech	Oct 2012	#107
I've enjoyed reading the rebuttals you have dealt out to these folks!	go west young man	Oct 2012	#113
His sucker pals are out another $150K with Riddle's ruling today	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#120
Ass***e and friends ripped off Michela Wrong's book, too:	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#121
Lol, but his 'friend' Domscheidt Berg, remember him, is a paragon of lies, I mean virtue. I'm	sabrina 1	Oct 2012	#180
Yes, you forgot to mention that this is the lawyer who 'forgot' to tell his client about the emails	sabrina 1	Oct 2012	#177
So you are claiming that Mr. Hurtig was incompetent and harmed Assange? nt	msanthrope	Oct 2012	#199
Um, I don't think there's any doubt he harmed his client. As was proven in court.	sabrina 1	Oct 2012	#204
Assange attempt to sue PM 'a stunt': Littlemore	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#119
... Assange ... plans to run for the Australian Senate in elections due next year ...	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#122
I am quite sickened by some of the attitudes about Assange	Swagman	Oct 2012	#129
On the up side, it's really just 3-4 posters who are maniacally bent	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#131
And who miraculously have several hundred anti-Assange links	LadyHawkAZ	Oct 2012	#161
If I didn't know better, I might think they were being paid	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#164
Your method of reckoning is novel. Assange fled Sweden in late September 2010, while	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#135
Assange did not flee Sweden and I have told you this multiple times already yet you continue to post	sabrina 1	Oct 2012	#178
... On 21st September 2010, the prosecutor contacted the Appellant’s counsel .. to ask	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#188
The Assange defense lied about that in UK court, and the UK court caught them lying:	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#189
That has zero to do with Assange and you know it. He was told he could leave, period	sabrina 1	Oct 2012	#202
... Assange himself told friends in London that he was supposed to return to Stockholm	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#190
Don't worry, a majority of people around the world and even here in the US, DO see what is going on	sabrina 1	Oct 2012	#181
PM has little to fear from Assange’s new legal threat	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#132
Just curious what progress your struggling to expose?	go west young man	Oct 2012	#134
Assange's lawsuit threats show him to be an habitual bullshitter:	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#137
Its all very suspicious isn't it?	LiberalLovinLug	Oct 2012	#143
I've provided over 20 links in this thread. You've provided none so far.	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#192
Links to what?	go west young man	Oct 2012	#200
It's pretty obvious	tama	Oct 2012	#208
"defamation as a means of chilling debate"	reorg	Oct 2012	#162
While we're at it, let's clear up what Hillary Clinton was up to at the UN nt	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#165
Yes, she is a disgrace. I believer there was discussion of her behavior early on and several	sabrina 1	Oct 2012	#182

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