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chervilant (4,156 posts)

135. You might want to check some other resources,

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including Elaine Pagels and Barbara Walker. With a multitude of references, Walker shows that the Christ myth is an amalgamation of a number of oral 'histories' from various cultures that predate the Judeo-Christian culture by hundreds of years. Elaine Pagels discusses the Gnostic Gospels, which the founders of the Catholic Church excluded from the official 'bible' for political and economic reasons. Other 'serious' historians document the myriad mythologies of our species--with our rather childlike need to believe in a 'power greater than ourselves,' which we persist in subverting into a justification for our 'sins.'

I highly recommend Joseph Campbell for his comprehensive meta-analysis of world religions.

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Arkansas State Rep: ‘If Slavery Were So God-Awful, Why Didn’t Jesus Or Paul Condemn It?’ [View all]	Galraedia	Oct 2012	OP
Why do these idiots put Paul on the same level as Jesus	LynneSin	Oct 2012	#1
I'd say something about the prophecies, but I don't think I should.	sakabatou	Oct 2012	#3
Offs.	GeorgeGist	Oct 2012	#7
Of what resurrection	carla	Oct 2012	#18
Yes there is	CthulhusEvilCousin	Oct 2012	#78
Here we go again, with the supposed third party confirmations that Jesus really existed.	stopbush	Oct 2012	#103
Even the	CthulhusEvilCousin	Oct 2012	#106
You are right, a dude named Jesus did live, but he was just an average carpenter	snooper2	Oct 2012	#116
Jesus is just like Mithra, Apollo, Osiris, etc.	Manifestor_of_Light	Oct 2012	#130
I suggest you research	CthulhusEvilCousin	Oct 2012	#154
You might want to check some other resources,	chervilant	Oct 2012	#135
Yes.	Manifestor_of_Light	Oct 2012	#147
Somehow,	chervilant	Oct 2012	#150
This message was self-deleted by its author	AnotherMcIntosh	Oct 2012	#19
Nonsense. There's no proof that Paul actually existed. If you have such proof, produce it.	stopbush	Oct 2012	#51
This message was self-deleted by its author	AnotherMcIntosh	Oct 2012	#61
Paul's like the so-called fifth Beatle...	WCGreen	Oct 2012	#77
So...Paul is the Pete Best of Christianity?	Ken Burch	Oct 2012	#176
See the Jefferson Bible	genxlib	Oct 2012	#26
If for those who don't believe in Jesus, the guy was a pretty admirable person	LynneSin	Oct 2012	#28
Jesus admirable? Really?	stopbush	Oct 2012	#54
This message was self-deleted by its author	AnotherMcIntosh	Oct 2012	#62
Wow	CthulhusEvilCousin	Oct 2012	#82
This message was self-deleted by its author	AnotherMcIntosh	Oct 2012	#89
Well Duh	CthulhusEvilCousin	Oct 2012	#94
This message was self-deleted by its author	AnotherMcIntosh	Oct 2012	#96
Well	CthulhusEvilCousin	Oct 2012	#99
This message was self-deleted by its author	AnotherMcIntosh	Oct 2012	#100
If you say so,	CthulhusEvilCousin	Oct 2012	#101
Did he really?	CthulhusEvilCousin	Oct 2012	#81
He was testing her?	stopbush	Oct 2012	#152
"What an asshole."	CthulhusEvilCousin	Oct 2012	#153
Oh, I've read the Gospels, and Jesus was a MAJOR asshole.	stopbush	Oct 2012	#157
Not many human beings	CthulhusEvilCousin	Oct 2012	#159
I'm not mad at anyone, especially a fiction like Jesus.	stopbush	Oct 2012	#160
I can't seem to think	CthulhusEvilCousin	Oct 2012	#161
Maybe you value life a little more if you know you're mortal.	Neoma	Oct 2012	#56
Yes, the Founders' ideas are unknown to most Americans. The GOPTeaParty rewrote history.	freshwest	Oct 2012	#60
This message was self-deleted by its author	AnotherMcIntosh	Oct 2012	#64
I have a similar item today	Trailrider1951	Oct 2012	#75
I have a red letter bible (KJV), and those parts are the only ones I have	kestrel91316	Oct 2012	#87
That was what I did as I got older. Agree completely.	freshwest	Oct 2012	#148
I'd like to put in a pitch for the Book of Job, which is great in a black-humor	coalition_unwilling	Oct 2012	#163
Jesus and Paul - both make-believe personages.	stopbush	Oct 2012	#50
This message was self-deleted by its author	AnotherMcIntosh	Oct 2012	#65
Posting from CARM	CthulhusEvilCousin	Oct 2012	#83
This message was self-deleted by its author	AnotherMcIntosh	Oct 2012	#91
I didn't	CthulhusEvilCousin	Oct 2012	#95
This message was self-deleted by its author	AnotherMcIntosh	Oct 2012	#97
Your argument	CthulhusEvilCousin	Oct 2012	#98
.	Bandit	Oct 2012	#57
Paul told them who they could hate	Warpy	Oct 2012	#80
Paul attacking Women and Gay men?	happyslug	Oct 2012	#125
Because they worship evil and Jesus doesn't qualify, but Paul most certainly does.	Vidar	Oct 2012	#84
What's funny about Paul is that most of "his" fundamentalist writings weren't written by him.	antigone382	Oct 2012	#88
Paul gets a bad rap ...	kwassa	Oct 2012	#120
When people start quoting Paul's misogynistic messages, I	efhmc	Oct 2012	#115
okay	Bucky	Oct 2012	#187
They like Paul because he was a cranky bald dude who hated sex and feared women.	Ken Burch	Oct 2012	#175
Told my paster that if Paul is in heaven it's not a place I want to be.	efhmc	Oct 2012	#188
Paul wrote the Epistles, converted the Gentiles, and is historically more significant than Jesus.	Bucky	Oct 2012	#186
Why am I surrounded by these people?	sinkingfeeling	Oct 2012	#2
It must be awful. Wait. I am too.	yardwork	Oct 2012	#52
rofl n/t	Megahurtz	Oct 2012	#179
Consider the source.	Behind the Aegis	Oct 2012	#4
And considering Jesus Did NOT condemn gays or abortion.	fasttense	Oct 2012	#35
therefore "IF being gay were so god-awful, why didn't Jesus or Paul condemn it"? nt	msongs	Oct 2012	#5
+1000 - great retort (n/t)	leftynyc	Oct 2012	#20
And if being rich was so god-awful why didn't Jesus condemn it...	LynneSin	Oct 2012	#29
You're reading my mind...	Jeff In Milwaukee	Oct 2012	#49
Er well um not everything they said was meant to be taking literally	4th law of robotics	Oct 2012	#143
Slavery is a blessing? Then I have an immediate job opening for them.	Lasher	Oct 2012	#6
Um, yes, Jesus did condemn it.	SunSeeker	Oct 2012	#8
Very nice take on that statement. Book and verse ?	yesphan	Oct 2012	#11
Matthew 25: 35-40	SunSeeker	Oct 2012	#15
And then thou saw mine pension fund, and thou fuckest me, Elder RobMe. n/t	jtuck004	Oct 2012	#21
Someone once said I was a 'Matthew 25' Christian when I qroted this	duhneece	Oct 2012	#30
Yes, nice. Thanks.	yesphan	Oct 2012	#44
reads like a bad play	snooper2	Oct 2012	#117
Matthew 25:45	SIDURI	Oct 2012	#17
Perhaps Jesus did condemn it,	yesphan	Oct 2012	#9
Am not a believer in the rapture, however, if there really is one I hope God takes	southernyankeebelle	Oct 2012	#10
Me, I want to come back as a flea so I can bite rich Republicans in the ass. I would like to	coalition_unwilling	Oct 2012	#164
LOL, your funny. Not a bad idea	southernyankeebelle	Oct 2012	#169
Actually, you should consider...	3catwoman3	Oct 2012	#170
LOL. Well, sort of. (The (lapsed?) Buddhist in me recoils at the	coalition_unwilling	Oct 2012	#171
I remember when H. W. denounced David Duke when he was the Republican nominee for LA governor.	Mike Daniels	Oct 2012	#12
Why are Arkansas Republicans such stupidest pieces of pig shit?	jsr	Oct 2012	#13
Their schools?	FiveGoodMen	Oct 2012	#31
If they approved it, why didn't they have slaves?	The Second Stone	Oct 2012	#14
Dear Second Stone:"Jesus was absolutely clear everyone was to be treated as a loved one"	Manifestor_of_Light	Oct 2012	#58
This message was self-deleted by its author	AnotherMcIntosh	Oct 2012	#66
His instructions to me were specific	The Second Stone	Oct 2012	#70
Oh, so you're not going to hell like everybody else?	Manifestor_of_Light	Oct 2012	#105
He communicates...	awoke_in_2003	Oct 2012	#118
Holy Toast!!	Manifestor_of_Light	Oct 2012	#127
Supposedly Jesus gave the disciples bread...	awoke_in_2003	Oct 2012	#129
Holy Crap	King_Klonopin	Oct 2012	#112
Welcome to religion discussions on DU.	kwassa	Oct 2012	#123
"out of context" won't wash.	Manifestor_of_Light	Oct 2012	#126
Best post I've read and 100% accurate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!	Great Caesars Ghost	Oct 2012	#172
not sucha blessing if you are the slave.	olddad56	Oct 2012	#16
Part of this is our fault	Doctor_J	Oct 2012	#22
Agreed.	FiveGoodMen	Oct 2012	#33
When one attacks the Confederate Battle Flag, he is certainly denouncing	HereSince1628	Oct 2012	#23
IF slavery is so great then why aren't white people wanting to be slaves?	booley	Oct 2012	#24
It's funny, isn't it? That dissonance.	Scootaloo	Oct 2012	#41
As a Christian	thatwhichisnt	Oct 2012	#25
And to welcome the stranger, the immigrant	duhneece	Oct 2012	#32
see my post #58 above.	Manifestor_of_Light	Oct 2012	#67
I read it...	Vasmosn	Oct 2012	#90
So you can't see how hateful the alleged words of Jesus are?	Manifestor_of_Light	Oct 2012	#108
Um, no...	Vasmosn	Oct 2012	#155
There is no proof of Jesus' existence outside the bible.	Manifestor_of_Light	Oct 2012	#156
Bat.	NOLALady	Oct 2012	#27
Yes, those xtians are.	Manifestor_of_Light	Oct 2012	#144
The Republicans are going nuts in trying out-crazy each other in Arkansas. From yesterday:	Whovian	Oct 2012	#34
Paul was as human as anyone here, so he said wrong things sometimes,	closeupready	Oct 2012	#36
Leaving us the problem of figuring out when he was right and when he was wrong.	FiveGoodMen	Oct 2012	#38
Yes, essentially.	closeupready	Oct 2012	#39
so many ways	barbtries	Oct 2012	#37
Because, Rep. Hubbard,	catrose	Oct 2012	#40
Exactly!	Vasmosn	Oct 2012	#92
Well sir Paul does the scripture our church is built on...	DaDeacon	Oct 2012	#42
State GOP pulls funds for now, but will start funneling money once the furor dies down.	bullwinkle428	Oct 2012	#43
Good question	Zambero	Oct 2012	#45
The Abrahamic religions are flawed and inconsistent & contradict themselves.	Manifestor_of_Light	Oct 2012	#145
They actually put Paul much higher. They won't admit this but a study	harun	Oct 2012	#46
Yeah - like homosexuality	lame54	Oct 2012	#47
Quoting himself at length, he digs himself deeper in his hole	muriel_volestrangler	Oct 2012	#48
It's not quite accurate to paint Africa of today the way he does either	treestar	Oct 2012	#59
Oh yes, that's an integral part of his racism	muriel_volestrangler	Oct 2012	#63
Good question.	NOLALady	Oct 2012	#132
he's seen too many of those african cartoons boiling the missionaries in the pot	newspeak	Oct 2012	#142
Interesting analogue (precedent to Thanksgiving): would the lives of native Americans	coalition_unwilling	Oct 2012	#165
You know what Jesus REALLY didn't condemn? Abortion and gay marriage. (nt)	UrbScotty	Oct 2012	#53
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. You ignorant Arkansas fuckwad.	Lint Head	Oct 2012	#55
You know, this is gooing TOO f@cking far....black folks chafed under the lash	Ecumenist	Oct 2012	#68
You don't need to	sulphurdunn	Oct 2012	#69
jesus did, indirectly	arely staircase	Oct 2012	#71
Slimy racist lying republican pig shit - Who could possibly disagree?	LaPera	Oct 2012	#72
Jesus Horatio Christ, what a dumb ass inbred, redneck fuckstick!!	Harry Monroe	Oct 2012	#73
Jewish law did not prohibit abortion either...nt	barnabas63	Oct 2012	#74
this man really wants his state prison slave labor chain gangs back..with him as the whip cracker	Sunlei	Oct 2012	#76
Hmmm, lets see, they condemned adultery, can I watch while you stone Gingrich	still_one	Oct 2012	#79
Very sad. nt.	OldDem2012	Oct 2012	#85
Good question. Because they were both just end-times cult leaders	enki23	Oct 2012	#86
They probably did until Rome rewrote Christianity in the mold of their slave state	Coyotl	Oct 2012	#93
The thing these worthless souls will say and do to attract racist vote.	Hoyt	Oct 2012	#102
Well	PD Turk	Oct 2012	#104
Mathew 5:17. I guess he skipped that chapter	demosincebirth	Oct 2012	#107
Then you've got the GOP in Arkansas saying that there should be a Death Penalty	blkmusclmachine	Oct 2012	#109
If slavery was so wonderful, why didn't you put your neck in the yoke?	SemperEadem	Oct 2012	#110
This guy is the pioneer. In four years, expect a pro-slavery plank in the Republican platform.	tclambert	Oct 2012	#111
+1	lunasun	Oct 2012	#114
At which point, I think we can realistically expect to see Abraham Lincoln	coalition_unwilling	Oct 2012	#166
As an atheist . . .	caseymoz	Oct 2012	#113
The 'abolition' of slavery had a lot to do with things Biblical. Radical	coalition_unwilling	Oct 2012	#167
Sorry, but no.	caseymoz	Oct 2012	#173
Saying that John Brown and the radical abolitionists 'reinterpreted' or 'misread' the	coalition_unwilling	Oct 2012	#178
I'll repeat:	caseymoz	Oct 2012	#180
As I understand it, Brown found Biblical warrant for abolitionism in the	coalition_unwilling	Oct 2012	#181
And that was all Brown's interpretation.	caseymoz	Oct 2012	#182
Oh, those crazy fundymentalpatients!	hifiguy	Oct 2012	#119
Fundamentalists can and will sink lower than their imagined Satan ever would.	FiveGoodMen	Oct 2012	#122
The slavery we had in the US was completely different than that of those days. For one thing back	jwirr	Oct 2012	#121
Ah, preaching hate in the name of Jesus	felix_numinous	Oct 2012	#124
Dante reserved the lowest circle of his Inferno to the hypocrites. That	coalition_unwilling	Oct 2012	#168
Soooooo . . . . would Mauch be cool with Jesus being the slave of Herrod?	no_hypocrisy	Oct 2012	#128
He's right about the bible.	JNelson6563	Oct 2012	#131
He's also wrong about the Bible -- he thinks it's a good book	FiveGoodMen	Oct 2012	#133
What medication is Mr. Hubbard taking presently?	mwooldri	Oct 2012	#134
Religion bashing is self-indulgent and counter-productive	Anthony McCarthy	Oct 2012	#136
Actually,	chervilant	Oct 2012	#138
Maybe Jesus and Paul were racists too?	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#137
sounds like he's using a pre-civil war argument	newspeak	Oct 2012	#139
Because then, shit bag, slavery was common place and acceptable...	and-justice-for-all	Oct 2012	#140
the Old Testament says to free your slaves every seven years.	yurbud	Oct 2012	#141
Because they were ignorant, superstitious goatherders, that's why.	Manifestor_of_Light	Oct 2012	#146
As many still are.	panzerfaust	Oct 2012	#158
Confederate philosophy, read the dreck (emboldening font mine) and weep:	freshwest	Oct 2012	#149
Hey, Hubbard, you moron: "do unto others as you would yourself".	bemildred	Oct 2012	#151
I guess this is final proof that the neanderthals did mate with real humans.	truthisfreedom	Oct 2012	#162
The right-wing extremists in this country couldn't be more obvious...	ChisolmTrailDem	Oct 2012	#174
actually, I was thinking the same thing	newspeak	Oct 2012	#184
It's possible there were originally condemnations of slavery in the Gospels	Ken Burch	Oct 2012	#177
This thread is making my headache worse.	redwitch	Oct 2012	#183
All the posts on whether Jesus was historical figure, myth, etc. --- YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT!	Bake	Oct 2012	#185

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