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In reply to the discussion: Arkansas State Rep: ‘If Slavery Were So God-Awful, Why Didn’t Jesus Or Paul Condemn It?’ [View all]CthulhusEvilCousin
(209 posts)Jewish Babylonian Talmud speaks of this Jesus (but not nicely), though it was written in the 6th Century. Dates aside, there are no serious historians who would dispute the man Jesus lived. By such standards, we would have to disbelieve Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, and any number of historical figures whose histories were not written during their lifetimes, or at least no transcripts that can be dated to within their lifetimes. There are no texts that dispute Christ from any source, though not all of them are nice. And there are no legitimate historians who would go so far as to deny His existence totally, though they can certainly deny or cast doubt on certain elements of the Gospel. You would expect people to outright be calling the Christians liars if there was no one who did the things Christ was claimed to do who was put to death by Pilate, yet none dispute His existence even while calling Christians to be vile and all sorts of things. To go this far to deny it, I think, is mere desperation. Or, it is basically claiming that Christians themselves only sprung up 60 to 70 years after Christ "allegedly" died. It stretches reason.
The other individual didn't even know that there were, indeed, extra-biblical references. I proved that without a doubt. Now, the problem is, "they're not old enough!"
As for Josephus, he is a highly credible historian. He did not witness all that he reported, but he was involved with the Jewish-Roman war.