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CthulhusEvilCousin

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106. Even the
Wed Oct 10, 2012, 12:47 AM
Oct 2012

Jewish Babylonian Talmud speaks of this Jesus (but not nicely), though it was written in the 6th Century. Dates aside, there are no serious historians who would dispute the man Jesus lived. By such standards, we would have to disbelieve Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, and any number of historical figures whose histories were not written during their lifetimes, or at least no transcripts that can be dated to within their lifetimes. There are no texts that dispute Christ from any source, though not all of them are nice. And there are no legitimate historians who would go so far as to deny His existence totally, though they can certainly deny or cast doubt on certain elements of the Gospel. You would expect people to outright be calling the Christians liars if there was no one who did the things Christ was claimed to do who was put to death by Pilate, yet none dispute His existence even while calling Christians to be vile and all sorts of things. To go this far to deny it, I think, is mere desperation. Or, it is basically claiming that Christians themselves only sprung up 60 to 70 years after Christ "allegedly" died. It stretches reason.

The other individual didn't even know that there were, indeed, extra-biblical references. I proved that without a doubt. Now, the problem is, "they're not old enough!"

As for Josephus, he is a highly credible historian. He did not witness all that he reported, but he was involved with the Jewish-Roman war.

Why do these idiots put Paul on the same level as Jesus LynneSin Oct 2012 #1
I'd say something about the prophecies, but I don't think I should. sakabatou Oct 2012 #3
Offs. GeorgeGist Oct 2012 #7
Of what resurrection carla Oct 2012 #18
Yes there is CthulhusEvilCousin Oct 2012 #78
Here we go again, with the supposed third party confirmations that Jesus really existed. stopbush Oct 2012 #103
Even the CthulhusEvilCousin Oct 2012 #106
You are right, a dude named Jesus did live, but he was just an average carpenter snooper2 Oct 2012 #116
Jesus is just like Mithra, Apollo, Osiris, etc. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2012 #130
I suggest you research CthulhusEvilCousin Oct 2012 #154
You might want to check some other resources, chervilant Oct 2012 #135
Yes. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2012 #147
Somehow, chervilant Oct 2012 #150
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2012 #19
Nonsense. There's no proof that Paul actually existed. If you have such proof, produce it. stopbush Oct 2012 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2012 #61
Paul's like the so-called fifth Beatle... WCGreen Oct 2012 #77
So...Paul is the Pete Best of Christianity? Ken Burch Oct 2012 #176
See the Jefferson Bible genxlib Oct 2012 #26
If for those who don't believe in Jesus, the guy was a pretty admirable person LynneSin Oct 2012 #28
Jesus admirable? Really? stopbush Oct 2012 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2012 #62
Wow CthulhusEvilCousin Oct 2012 #82
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2012 #89
Well Duh CthulhusEvilCousin Oct 2012 #94
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2012 #96
Well CthulhusEvilCousin Oct 2012 #99
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2012 #100
If you say so, CthulhusEvilCousin Oct 2012 #101
Did he really? CthulhusEvilCousin Oct 2012 #81
He was testing her? stopbush Oct 2012 #152
"What an asshole." CthulhusEvilCousin Oct 2012 #153
Oh, I've read the Gospels, and Jesus was a MAJOR asshole. stopbush Oct 2012 #157
Not many human beings CthulhusEvilCousin Oct 2012 #159
I'm not mad at anyone, especially a fiction like Jesus. stopbush Oct 2012 #160
I can't seem to think CthulhusEvilCousin Oct 2012 #161
Maybe you value life a little more if you know you're mortal. Neoma Oct 2012 #56
Yes, the Founders' ideas are unknown to most Americans. The GOPTeaParty rewrote history. freshwest Oct 2012 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2012 #64
I have a similar item today Trailrider1951 Oct 2012 #75
I have a red letter bible (KJV), and those parts are the only ones I have kestrel91316 Oct 2012 #87
That was what I did as I got older. Agree completely. freshwest Oct 2012 #148
I'd like to put in a pitch for the Book of Job, which is great in a black-humor coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #163
Jesus and Paul - both make-believe personages. stopbush Oct 2012 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2012 #65
Posting from CARM CthulhusEvilCousin Oct 2012 #83
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2012 #91
I didn't CthulhusEvilCousin Oct 2012 #95
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2012 #97
Your argument CthulhusEvilCousin Oct 2012 #98
. Bandit Oct 2012 #57
Paul told them who they could hate Warpy Oct 2012 #80
Paul attacking Women and Gay men? happyslug Oct 2012 #125
Because they worship evil and Jesus doesn't qualify, but Paul most certainly does. Vidar Oct 2012 #84
What's funny about Paul is that most of "his" fundamentalist writings weren't written by him. antigone382 Oct 2012 #88
Paul gets a bad rap ... kwassa Oct 2012 #120
When people start quoting Paul's misogynistic messages, I efhmc Oct 2012 #115
okay Bucky Oct 2012 #187
They like Paul because he was a cranky bald dude who hated sex and feared women. Ken Burch Oct 2012 #175
Told my paster that if Paul is in heaven it's not a place I want to be. efhmc Oct 2012 #188
Paul wrote the Epistles, converted the Gentiles, and is historically more significant than Jesus. Bucky Oct 2012 #186
Why am I surrounded by these people? sinkingfeeling Oct 2012 #2
It must be awful. Wait. I am too. yardwork Oct 2012 #52
rofl n/t Megahurtz Oct 2012 #179
Consider the source. Behind the Aegis Oct 2012 #4
And considering Jesus Did NOT condemn gays or abortion. fasttense Oct 2012 #35
therefore "IF being gay were so god-awful, why didn't Jesus or Paul condemn it"? nt msongs Oct 2012 #5
+1000 - great retort (n/t) leftynyc Oct 2012 #20
And if being rich was so god-awful why didn't Jesus condemn it... LynneSin Oct 2012 #29
You're reading my mind... Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2012 #49
Er well um not everything they said was meant to be taking literally 4th law of robotics Oct 2012 #143
Slavery is a blessing? Then I have an immediate job opening for them. Lasher Oct 2012 #6
Um, yes, Jesus did condemn it. SunSeeker Oct 2012 #8
Very nice take on that statement. Book and verse ? yesphan Oct 2012 #11
Matthew 25: 35-40 SunSeeker Oct 2012 #15
And then thou saw mine pension fund, and thou fuckest me, Elder RobMe. n/t jtuck004 Oct 2012 #21
Someone once said I was a 'Matthew 25' Christian when I qroted this duhneece Oct 2012 #30
Yes, nice. Thanks. yesphan Oct 2012 #44
reads like a bad play snooper2 Oct 2012 #117
Matthew 25:45 SIDURI Oct 2012 #17
Perhaps Jesus did condemn it, yesphan Oct 2012 #9
Am not a believer in the rapture, however, if there really is one I hope God takes southernyankeebelle Oct 2012 #10
Me, I want to come back as a flea so I can bite rich Republicans in the ass. I would like to coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #164
LOL, your funny. Not a bad idea southernyankeebelle Oct 2012 #169
Actually, you should consider... 3catwoman3 Oct 2012 #170
LOL. Well, sort of. (The (lapsed?) Buddhist in me recoils at the coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #171
I remember when H. W. denounced David Duke when he was the Republican nominee for LA governor. Mike Daniels Oct 2012 #12
Why are Arkansas Republicans such stupidest pieces of pig shit? jsr Oct 2012 #13
Their schools? FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #31
If they approved it, why didn't they have slaves? The Second Stone Oct 2012 #14
Dear Second Stone:"Jesus was absolutely clear everyone was to be treated as a loved one" Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2012 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2012 #66
His instructions to me were specific The Second Stone Oct 2012 #70
Oh, so you're not going to hell like everybody else? Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2012 #105
He communicates... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2012 #118
Holy Toast!! Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2012 #127
Supposedly Jesus gave the disciples bread... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2012 #129
Holy Crap King_Klonopin Oct 2012 #112
Welcome to religion discussions on DU. kwassa Oct 2012 #123
"out of context" won't wash. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2012 #126
Best post I've read and 100% accurate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Great Caesars Ghost Oct 2012 #172
not sucha blessing if you are the slave. olddad56 Oct 2012 #16
Part of this is our fault Doctor_J Oct 2012 #22
Agreed. FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #33
When one attacks the Confederate Battle Flag, he is certainly denouncing HereSince1628 Oct 2012 #23
IF slavery is so great then why aren't white people wanting to be slaves? booley Oct 2012 #24
It's funny, isn't it? That dissonance. Scootaloo Oct 2012 #41
As a Christian thatwhichisnt Oct 2012 #25
And to welcome the stranger, the immigrant duhneece Oct 2012 #32
see my post #58 above. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2012 #67
I read it... Vasmosn Oct 2012 #90
So you can't see how hateful the alleged words of Jesus are? Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2012 #108
Um, no... Vasmosn Oct 2012 #155
There is no proof of Jesus' existence outside the bible. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2012 #156
Bat. NOLALady Oct 2012 #27
Yes, those xtians are. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2012 #144
The Republicans are going nuts in trying out-crazy each other in Arkansas. From yesterday: Whovian Oct 2012 #34
Paul was as human as anyone here, so he said wrong things sometimes, closeupready Oct 2012 #36
Leaving us the problem of figuring out when he was right and when he was wrong. FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #38
Yes, essentially. closeupready Oct 2012 #39
so many ways barbtries Oct 2012 #37
Because, Rep. Hubbard, catrose Oct 2012 #40
Exactly! Vasmosn Oct 2012 #92
Well sir Paul does the scripture our church is built on... DaDeacon Oct 2012 #42
State GOP pulls funds for now, but will start funneling money once the furor dies down. bullwinkle428 Oct 2012 #43
Good question Zambero Oct 2012 #45
The Abrahamic religions are flawed and inconsistent & contradict themselves. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2012 #145
They actually put Paul much higher. They won't admit this but a study harun Oct 2012 #46
Yeah - like homosexuality lame54 Oct 2012 #47
Quoting himself at length, he digs himself deeper in his hole muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #48
It's not quite accurate to paint Africa of today the way he does either treestar Oct 2012 #59
Oh yes, that's an integral part of his racism muriel_volestrangler Oct 2012 #63
Good question. NOLALady Oct 2012 #132
he's seen too many of those african cartoons boiling the missionaries in the pot newspeak Oct 2012 #142
Interesting analogue (precedent to Thanksgiving): would the lives of native Americans coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #165
You know what Jesus REALLY didn't condemn? Abortion and gay marriage. (nt) UrbScotty Oct 2012 #53
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. You ignorant Arkansas fuckwad. Lint Head Oct 2012 #55
You know, this is gooing TOO f@cking far....black folks chafed under the lash Ecumenist Oct 2012 #68
You don't need to sulphurdunn Oct 2012 #69
jesus did, indirectly arely staircase Oct 2012 #71
Slimy racist lying republican pig shit - Who could possibly disagree? LaPera Oct 2012 #72
Jesus Horatio Christ, what a dumb ass inbred, redneck fuckstick!! Harry Monroe Oct 2012 #73
Jewish law did not prohibit abortion either...nt barnabas63 Oct 2012 #74
this man really wants his state prison slave labor chain gangs back..with him as the whip cracker Sunlei Oct 2012 #76
Hmmm, lets see, they condemned adultery, can I watch while you stone Gingrich still_one Oct 2012 #79
Very sad. nt. OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #85
Good question. Because they were both just end-times cult leaders enki23 Oct 2012 #86
They probably did until Rome rewrote Christianity in the mold of their slave state Coyotl Oct 2012 #93
The thing these worthless souls will say and do to attract racist vote. Hoyt Oct 2012 #102
Well PD Turk Oct 2012 #104
Mathew 5:17. I guess he skipped that chapter demosincebirth Oct 2012 #107
Then you've got the GOP in Arkansas saying that there should be a Death Penalty blkmusclmachine Oct 2012 #109
If slavery was so wonderful, why didn't you put your neck in the yoke? SemperEadem Oct 2012 #110
This guy is the pioneer. In four years, expect a pro-slavery plank in the Republican platform. tclambert Oct 2012 #111
+1 lunasun Oct 2012 #114
At which point, I think we can realistically expect to see Abraham Lincoln coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #166
As an atheist . . . caseymoz Oct 2012 #113
The 'abolition' of slavery had a lot to do with things Biblical. Radical coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #167
Sorry, but no. caseymoz Oct 2012 #173
Saying that John Brown and the radical abolitionists 'reinterpreted' or 'misread' the coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #178
I'll repeat: caseymoz Oct 2012 #180
As I understand it, Brown found Biblical warrant for abolitionism in the coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #181
And that was all Brown's interpretation. caseymoz Oct 2012 #182
Oh, those crazy fundymentalpatients! hifiguy Oct 2012 #119
Fundamentalists can and will sink lower than their imagined Satan ever would. FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #122
The slavery we had in the US was completely different than that of those days. For one thing back jwirr Oct 2012 #121
Ah, preaching hate in the name of Jesus felix_numinous Oct 2012 #124
Dante reserved the lowest circle of his Inferno to the hypocrites. That coalition_unwilling Oct 2012 #168
Soooooo . . . . would Mauch be cool with Jesus being the slave of Herrod? no_hypocrisy Oct 2012 #128
He's right about the bible. JNelson6563 Oct 2012 #131
He's also wrong about the Bible -- he thinks it's a good book FiveGoodMen Oct 2012 #133
What medication is Mr. Hubbard taking presently? mwooldri Oct 2012 #134
Religion bashing is self-indulgent and counter-productive Anthony McCarthy Oct 2012 #136
Actually, chervilant Oct 2012 #138
Maybe Jesus and Paul were racists too? wtmusic Oct 2012 #137
sounds like he's using a pre-civil war argument newspeak Oct 2012 #139
Because then, shit bag, slavery was common place and acceptable... and-justice-for-all Oct 2012 #140
the Old Testament says to free your slaves every seven years. yurbud Oct 2012 #141
Because they were ignorant, superstitious goatherders, that's why. Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2012 #146
As many still are. panzerfaust Oct 2012 #158
Confederate philosophy, read the dreck (emboldening font mine) and weep: freshwest Oct 2012 #149
Hey, Hubbard, you moron: "do unto others as you would yourself". bemildred Oct 2012 #151
I guess this is final proof that the neanderthals did mate with real humans. truthisfreedom Oct 2012 #162
The right-wing extremists in this country couldn't be more obvious... ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2012 #174
actually, I was thinking the same thing newspeak Oct 2012 #184
It's possible there were originally condemnations of slavery in the Gospels Ken Burch Oct 2012 #177
This thread is making my headache worse. redwitch Oct 2012 #183
All the posts on whether Jesus was historical figure, myth, etc. --- YOU'RE MISSING THE POINT! Bake Oct 2012 #185
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