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George II (3,021 posts)

16. Funny how all the "news" articles like this show up in "commentary" and "opinion" sections?

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Julian Assange bids to sue Julia Gillard for defamation over WikiLeaks comments [View all]	Swagman	Oct 2012	OP
Will it be difficult to prove the case while hes hiding in the embassy? nt	cstanleytech	Oct 2012	#1
csta - how is he hiding. We know where he is	SESKATOW	Oct 2012	#3
Fine. How difficult will it be to prove the case while he is refusing to leave the embassy?	cstanleytech	Oct 2012	#9
Refusing to leave the embassy	SESKATOW	Oct 2012	#41
Lets see	cstanleytech	Oct 2012	#57
he has said	SESKATOW	Oct 2012	#82
Hey, the doubt you cast was on him doing it which I have shown he did do.	cstanleytech	Oct 2012	#106
You can claim yet again "that legally they cannot agree to that term",	ronnie624	Oct 2012	#110
and sweden has form	SESKATOW	Oct 2012	#116
there is no good reason why sweden cant question him in london	SESKATOW	Oct 2012	#115
I imagine the plaintiff would be Wikileaks, not Assange.	JDPriestly	Oct 2012	#108
The title though was "Julian Assange bids to sue Julia Gillard" not	cstanleytech	Oct 2012	#146
But it is really about Wikileaks, not just Assange.	JDPriestly	Oct 2012	#170
Yes however it was Assange who hired the lawyer. nt	cstanleytech	Oct 2012	#171
Maybe because he wants to know for sure what his legal status is in Australia.	JDPriestly	Oct 2012	#173
But see I dont dislike him, I just dont believe that this is a vaste conspiracy against him.	cstanleytech	Oct 2012	#174
Unless they want to establish legal precedent that will intimidate the press. That is totally	JDPriestly	Oct 2012	#183
I see alot of conjecture there without anything solid though.	cstanleytech	Oct 2012	#184
All the US has to do is to promise everyone that they consider Wikileak's activities to be as much	JDPriestly	Oct 2012	#212
I don't think anyone would have a problem with Wikileaks facilitating whistleblowing.	randome	Oct 2012	#213
How do you differentiate between "military secrets" and news?	JDPriestly	Oct 2012	#218
How would you know if they're just 'protecting themselves' or...	randome	Oct 2012	#219
Ok lets break this down.	cstanleytech	Oct 2012	#215
How is it defamation?	treestar	Oct 2012	#2
in a word - yes!!!!!	SESKATOW	Oct 2012	#4
Australia law is as strange in this as United States law is...	MrMickeysMom	Oct 2012	#5
Why doesn't he go home?	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#8
Oh, you found evidence that he is to be deported to the US? Link please. nt	cstanleytech	Oct 2012	#11
Here ya go.	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#14
Funny how all the "news" articles like this show up in "commentary" and "opinion" sections?	George II	Oct 2012	#16
Who said it was news?	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#17
Obviously the poster since this is in "Late Breaking News" !!!!	George II	Oct 2012	#22
You're confused	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#23
No, I'm not confused - reread the first post of mine to which you replied:	George II	Oct 2012	#24
OK I'm thinking...gimme a second. nt	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#25
Just because he fears he "may" be charged with a crime isnt evidence that he has been charged.	cstanleytech	Oct 2012	#26
Ah, so he should step outside and see whether he's going to face the death penalty in the US...	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#29
The streets of London would be mighty empty if everyone was as paranoid as him.	George II	Oct 2012	#32
No kidding! This moron thinks they're actually out to get him.	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#35
If they were there waiting for him to leave, don't you think they'd be looking AT the building??	George II	Oct 2012	#47
You have a point there, but who knows how long they've been cooling their heels there.	freshwest	Oct 2012	#80
Are you suggesting that the guards are standing there like the guards at the factory	JDPriestly	Oct 2012	#109
I'm not suggesting anything...	George II	Oct 2012	#117
It comes from the statement about what the guards are doing in front of the Ecuadorian Embassy in	JDPriestly	Oct 2012	#130
They don't look very eager to do anything. 'Just doin' my job, Sir.'	freshwest	Oct 2012	#79
No, he should step out and do what he agreed to do in the first place when he was granted bail	cstanleytech	Oct 2012	#58
yikes..	BetterThanNoSN	Oct 2012	#118
The claim he might be "disappeared" is imo complete and utter BS.	cstanleytech	Oct 2012	#136
That's propapanda from one of Assange's many lawyers, Michael Ratner	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#37
You apparently have no idea what propaganda is.	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#39
Without real reference to statute, legislative history, or court case, it can't be "legal opinion":	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#64
Did you just make that up?	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#84
yawn	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#99
I'll take that for a "yes". nt	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#102
If you pull it all together, yeah. But few of the writings on Assange, pro or con, are objective.	freshwest	Oct 2012	#86
You don't think US breaches of international law are an embarrassment?	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#90
Embarrassing to who? Me? Yeah, if I was in charge. Were they to Bush? Was slavery an embarrassment	freshwest	Oct 2012	#95
We agree on the end result	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#98
Assange could be charged under the Espionage Act...	AntiFascist	Oct 2012	#153
There is no anti-Assange crowd. There is likely an anti-Wikileaks, anti-Anonymous crowd.	freshwest	Oct 2012	#155
Sorry but I have to address a number of inaccuracies in your post...	AntiFascist	Oct 2012	#157
"Crush" Wikileaks?	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#166
"US Designates Assange 'Enemy of State'"	99th_Monkey	Oct 2012	#55
Many people seem to have serious reading comprehension problems	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#123
Brother! You can say that again.	99th_Monkey	Oct 2012	#145
The only attribution is to documents they did not deign to print.	randome	Oct 2012	#147
So it's your contention that these news sites just pulled all this out of their ass?	99th_Monkey	Oct 2012	#148
It isn't a news article unless it references corroborated documents.	randome	Oct 2012	#149
Your painstaking denial and selective myopia regarding Assange is duly noted. ~nt	99th_Monkey	Oct 2012	#150
Well. So much for debating points. Aspersions are easier to throw about, I suppose.	randome	Oct 2012	#151
Not to worry about standing out in a crowd! But you have yet to provide a single credible argument	sabrina 1	Oct 2012	#176
You evidently don't understand the nature of the charge or why it might be brought	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#152
I confess that there IS something I don't understand	99th_Monkey	Oct 2012	#154
Are Troops Talking to Assange ‘Communicating With the Enemy’?	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#187
apparently they are suspicious of "communicating with the enemy"	reorg	Oct 2012	#197
Well, talking to someone who is, in essence, a foreign spy, might be considered noteworthy.	randome	Oct 2012	#198
I'll guess you just didn't read the FOIA release carefully. The investigation in this case concerned	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#206
oh, I did, but you seem to be struggling to get a grasp	reorg	Oct 2012	#209
Whoa! Great post. Thanks for all those details. Very helpful. nt	99th_Monkey	Oct 2012	#211
Apparently so.	99th_Monkey	Oct 2012	#210
A Pentagon spokesman said...	AntiFascist	Oct 2012	#214
The distinction you make is very helpful in understanding this situation	99th_Monkey	Oct 2012	#216
Why via Sweden?	treestar	Oct 2012	#18
As a cover for the bullshit allegations of sexual misconduct	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#20
Why preserve appearances that way?	treestar	Oct 2012	#28
Whatever	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#30
are you like a teenager?	treestar	Oct 2012	#31
I have teenage kids who are smart enough to recognize a trumped-up charge	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#33
So who has to answer to sex offender charges and who doesn't?	treestar	Oct 2012	#44
Usually it's when there is some evidence- ANY evidence	LadyHawkAZ	Oct 2012	#46
It's still an investigation, and he said he would cooperate with the Swedish investigation...	George II	Oct 2012	#49
He cooperated up until it got political	LadyHawkAZ	Oct 2012	#51
How did it get "political", and who made it that way?	George II	Oct 2012	#60
No evidence, initial charges dropped...	LadyHawkAZ	Oct 2012	#71
Yes, why should not all accusations that end up in indictment or the country's equivalent be taken t	treestar	Oct 2012	#50
Once more with feeling: evidence is where the line is traditionally drawn	LadyHawkAZ	Oct 2012	#52
So he can challenge the Swedish system	treestar	Oct 2012	#72
It is demonstrably not civilized	LadyHawkAZ	Oct 2012	#89
If they have their equivalent of probable cause	treestar	Oct 2012	#112
What's their probable cause?	LadyHawkAZ	Oct 2012	#140
Assange has promised to go to Sweden for a simple promise	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#65
Why not?	treestar	Oct 2012	#73
If you can't see, I can't explain it to you.	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#74
So why can't he answer to the Swedish charges	treestar	Oct 2012	#75
He has answered to them, you really don't want to know anyway,	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#76
There are no charges. Going into the third year and the Swedish Prosecutor still refuses to file a	sabrina 1	Oct 2012	#175
especially when the "Sex offense"	azureblue	Oct 2012	#59
So he's hiding out to avoid a $150 fine?	msanthrope	Oct 2012	#85
... This is an allegation of rape. The framework list is ticked for rape. The defence accepts	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#124
she's sleeping so how does she know he raped her? Did she scream? Say no? Did he force her to	wordpix	Oct 2012	#156
The case will be tried in Sweden. It's inappropriate to try such matters in the media.	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#158
yes, if he's innocent he should hang around, get extradicted & possibly found guilty on a	wordpix	Oct 2012	#193
That would ruin his hopes of becoming an international martyr	George II	Oct 2012	#48
Rhetorical	SESKATOW	Oct 2012	#43
"a false accusation of an offense or a malicious misrepresentation of someone's words or actions"	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#10
Is that Australian law?	treestar	Oct 2012	#19
He probably missed seeing his name in the headlines so concocted this crazy accusation.	George II	Oct 2012	#15
+1 especially since she said this in late 2010	treestar	Oct 2012	#21
the Australian government has refused to re-issue him with a passport	Swagman	Oct 2012	#125
That doesn't seem likely	treestar	Oct 2012	#133
The UK confiscated his passport at the start of the extradition fight	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#163
He surrendered his passport as part of a criminal proceeding	hack89	Oct 2012	#172
The Australian PM is liable for the lies she told early on and which she was forced to retract after	sabrina 1	Oct 2012	#179
" massive condemnation"?	hack89	Oct 2012	#185
I love how Wikileaks haters are so in denial about how outside this insulated-from-world-news	sabrina 1	Oct 2012	#186
I don't find it upsetting	hack89	Oct 2012	#191
Is Assange claiming Wikileaks did NOT release the cables on their website?	freshwest	Oct 2012	#6
the PM said he had committed a crime which is not true. On that basis Mastercard declined	Swagman	Oct 2012	#127
This message was self-deleted by its author	freshwest	Oct 2012	#138
Julia Gillard is from the left side of the Labor party (our notionally centre left party)	soaky	Oct 2012	#159
That was the opinion of the radio host. The link was there when I followed the OP link.	freshwest	Oct 2012	#160
You can safely ignore anything that emanates from any of Alan Jone's orifices! nt	soaky	Oct 2012	#168
Another week. Another rant against the world.	randome	Oct 2012	#7
Right - only if he's allowed to pout while doing so.	George II	Oct 2012	#13
But of course	treestar	Oct 2012	#27
You forgot the CIA. Okay, it might be covered under the "United States" but I bet he think they	msanthrope	Oct 2012	#34
The thing Assange came out with last	Cha	Oct 2012	#56
Oh right ! I had forgotten that one already!	treestar	Oct 2012	#114
He should learn to face his OWN existing legal issues before creating questionable new ones.	George II	Oct 2012	#12
Is the irony lost on him?	JNelson6563	Oct 2012	#36
So Ass***e is not the big free speech advocate he pretends to be	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#38
I would agree	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#42
Accusing individuals of murder is hardly "transparency in government'	boppers	Oct 2012	#63
If those individuals are guilty of murder	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#83
... he used his balcony address to ... cast himself as a guardian of free speech ...	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#67
... Patiño praised Assange as a fighter for free expression ...	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#69
I was under the impression that he was a government transparency advocate	LadyHawkAZ	Oct 2012	#45
Julian Assange Says Obama Is “Criminalizing Free Speech"	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#66
HR 437	tama	Oct 2012	#194
"... Whoever .. knowingly engages in any act of physical violence against any person or property	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#195
How desperate	tama	Oct 2012	#196
So you don't object to the provisions of 1752(a)(4)? Do you object to 1752(a)(1), which	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#201
Is the criticism	tama	Oct 2012	#203
After reading the text, I have no idea what you're talking about, so mebbe you can clarify:	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#205
OK	tama	Oct 2012	#207
Read the House Judiciary Report: "The United States Secret Service provides protective services	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#217
... he accused the US of a ‘witch-hunt’ that threatened freedom of expression ...	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#68
"Ass***e"	Hissyspit	Oct 2012	#128
A Julian Assange story	LiberalLovinLug	Oct 2012	#40
+1	Kurovski	Oct 2012	#53
Bradley Manning was emotionally and mentally unstable.	randome	Oct 2012	#61
There's no way Manning reviewed and considered 750K documents	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#70
Yes he should have hired a staff to help him	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#77
He can't credibly claim to have been whistle-blowing -- and so he won't claim that	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#78
It's all about whistleblowing.	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#81
Then why didn't he follow the whistleblowing statutes that would have protected him? The MWPA would	msanthrope	Oct 2012	#88
Not sure, but there could be any number of reasons.	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#92
Intercepted by whom? Did he really think Dennis Kucinich or Bernie Sanders would not have done the	msanthrope	Oct 2012	#94
So he would just ring Kucinich's office and say, "Yo, I need to talk to Dennis..."	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#96
Mr Manning was in the United States in January 2010. He brought with him material that he chose to	msanthrope	Oct 2012	#139
Do the arithmetic: if he released 750K documents, he couldn't have any clear idea what was in there,	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#101
No careful and conscientious enough for you, is he?	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#104
His lawyer will argue at court martial he's a disturbed young man:	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#126
So this negates all the crimes and deceptions in the leaks?	LiberalLovinLug	Oct 2012	#142
Why can't both those be called out for what they are?	randome	Oct 2012	#144
Taking advantage of Manning?	LiberalLovinLug	Oct 2012	#167
Where have you been?	randome	Oct 2012	#169
Great article.	go west young man	Oct 2012	#111
I with you	LiberalLovinLug	Oct 2012	#141
I hope he wins	Hydra	Oct 2012	#54
Keep the pedal to the metal Julian!!!	DeSwiss	Oct 2012	#62
The 2006 amendments to Australian defamation law generally limit actions to within one year	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#87
Maybe Julian is really hiding in the embassy to escape the various lawyers he's stiffed:	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#91
Various? Are there others, or did you just feel the need to pad your non-story?	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#93
He seems to stiff a lot of folk: those who put up his bail, those who pay him advances for books ...	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#97
I bet he doesn't floss either	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#100
He's a rip-off artist: rips off his lawyers, rips off his publishers, rips off his friends	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#103
Got anything besides tabloid fodder?	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#105
So is the BBC a tabloid now wtmusic?	cstanleytech	Oct 2012	#107
I've enjoyed reading the rebuttals you have dealt out to these folks!	go west young man	Oct 2012	#113
His sucker pals are out another $150K with Riddle's ruling today	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#120
Ass***e and friends ripped off Michela Wrong's book, too:	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#121
Lol, but his 'friend' Domscheidt Berg, remember him, is a paragon of lies, I mean virtue. I'm	sabrina 1	Oct 2012	#180
Yes, you forgot to mention that this is the lawyer who 'forgot' to tell his client about the emails	sabrina 1	Oct 2012	#177
So you are claiming that Mr. Hurtig was incompetent and harmed Assange? nt	msanthrope	Oct 2012	#199
Um, I don't think there's any doubt he harmed his client. As was proven in court.	sabrina 1	Oct 2012	#204
Assange attempt to sue PM 'a stunt': Littlemore	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#119
... Assange ... plans to run for the Australian Senate in elections due next year ...	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#122
I am quite sickened by some of the attitudes about Assange	Swagman	Oct 2012	#129
On the up side, it's really just 3-4 posters who are maniacally bent	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#131
And who miraculously have several hundred anti-Assange links	LadyHawkAZ	Oct 2012	#161
If I didn't know better, I might think they were being paid	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#164
Your method of reckoning is novel. Assange fled Sweden in late September 2010, while	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#135
Assange did not flee Sweden and I have told you this multiple times already yet you continue to post	sabrina 1	Oct 2012	#178
... On 21st September 2010, the prosecutor contacted the Appellant’s counsel .. to ask	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#188
The Assange defense lied about that in UK court, and the UK court caught them lying:	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#189
That has zero to do with Assange and you know it. He was told he could leave, period	sabrina 1	Oct 2012	#202
... Assange himself told friends in London that he was supposed to return to Stockholm	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#190
Don't worry, a majority of people around the world and even here in the US, DO see what is going on	sabrina 1	Oct 2012	#181
PM has little to fear from Assange’s new legal threat	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#132
Just curious what progress your struggling to expose?	go west young man	Oct 2012	#134
Assange's lawsuit threats show him to be an habitual bullshitter:	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#137
Its all very suspicious isn't it?	LiberalLovinLug	Oct 2012	#143
I've provided over 20 links in this thread. You've provided none so far.	struggle4progress	Oct 2012	#192
Links to what?	go west young man	Oct 2012	#200
It's pretty obvious	tama	Oct 2012	#208
"defamation as a means of chilling debate"	reorg	Oct 2012	#162
While we're at it, let's clear up what Hillary Clinton was up to at the UN nt	wtmusic	Oct 2012	#165
Yes, she is a disgrace. I believer there was discussion of her behavior early on and several	sabrina 1	Oct 2012	#182

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