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struggle4progress

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8. Delay for Assange's bail backers
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 04:29 PM
Oct 2012

... The other eight backers are retired professor Tricia David, Nobel Prize-winning scientist Sir John Sulston, journalist Philip Knightley, Lady Caroline Evans, friend Sarah Saunders, Joseph Farrell, Sarah Harrison and Tracy Worcester ...

Mr Smith, the founder of the Frontline Club for journalists, said the group had visited Assange at the Ecuadorian embassy, where he told them he feared persecution from the US authorities ...

Mr Smith added: 'Mr Assange expressed concern about the risk of forfeiture that the sureties face, however it was clear from our visit that sureties do not have the power to meaningfully intervene in this matter.

'This has become a matter between the Ecuadorian, British, Swedish, US and Australian governments' ...

http://www.skynews.com.au/topstories/article.aspx?id=801954


To my knowledge, the US has never been involved in any manner or fashion in the lawsuit Judicial Authority v Assange. Moreover, Assange's lawyers dropped forward extradition to the US as an issue in Riddle's court, before conclusion of the original hearings at Belmarsh. So there seems to be no cause for Riddle to consider the views of or allegations of views about the views of the US government.

To my knowledge, Australia has never been directly involved in any manner or fashion in the lawsuit Judicial Authority v Assange. The Australians sent consular observers to all court hearings, and they apparently periodically sought guarantees of fair treatment, but Assange himself repeatedly refused offers of any direct contact with them, finding it more to his taste to complain that Australia had abandoned him. In particular, the Australians seem to have had no standing in the lawsuit either. So there seems to be no cause for Riddle to consider the views of or allegations of views about the views of the Australian government

The Swedish prosecutor, of course, initiated the process with the EAW and hence was represented in court. The Swedish authorities objected to bail from the beginning, and the fact that Assange jumped bail seems to vindicate the original Swedish position. So if Riddle infers the expressed views of the Swedish government, that could incline him somewhat towards forfeiture of the funds

To my knowledge, Ecuador has never been directly involved in any manner or fashion in the lawsuit Judicial Authority v Assange. After conclusion of Assange's second appeal to the Supreme Court, during the period Assange had been allowed for appeal to Strasbourg, Assange elected to jump bail and hide in the Ecuadorian embassy, rather than to launch an appeal to the European Court of Human Rights: that is, he chose not to use the further legal options remaining to him. So there seems to be no cause for Riddle to consider the views of or allegations of views about the views of the Ecuadorian government, but consideration of the procedural facts could incline him somewhat towards forfeiture of the funds

To my knowledge, the UK government has essentially deferred to its courts in this matter. Diplomatic matters are, of course, a prerogative of the Crown and not of the courts. It is likely that Riddle would defer, if Her Majesty's government were to beg leave from Riddle for opportunity to settle diplomatic matters, but there is no reason to expect such a request from the government: Ecuador allows Assange to remain in its embassy, under an asylum theory that the UK does not recognize, and Her Majesty's government will find no advantage in promoting the idea that such an asylum theory justifies bail-jumping. There might be cause for Riddle to consider the views of the UK government, were such views offered, but one should not expect such views to be offered

Vaughn Smith, on the other hand, has no reason whatsoever to imagine the court will countenance his view that this is some complicated five-way diplomatic affair between the Ecuadorian, British, Swedish, US and Australian governments, as diplomatic matters are a prerogative of the Crown and not a prerogative of Mr Vaughn Smith


Julian Assange: Bail cash decision delayed [View all] struggle4progress Oct 2012 OP
Julian Assange supporters plead to keep £140,000 bail money struggle4progress Oct 2012 #1
Julian Assange supporters fight to recover £140,000 bail posted for WikiLeaks founder struggle4progress Oct 2012 #2
Assange supporters wait to learn fate of funds struggle4progress Oct 2012 #3
Guarantors ask London court to halt Assange bail payout struggle4progress Oct 2012 #4
Delay for Assange's bail backers struggle4progress Oct 2012 #5
"We never envisaged...that the matter would become a diplomatic argument". randome Oct 2012 #6
You're not kicking this thread - you're stroking it. xocet Oct 2012 #7
I suggest that if you do not want to read the thread, you are entirely free not to read it: struggle4progress Oct 2012 #10
That was purely a comment on the amazing way in which you are posting in this thread. xocet Oct 2012 #14
Delay for Assange's bail backers struggle4progress Oct 2012 #8
Vaughan Smith sounds like an utter prat. He wants his money that he put up for Assange, but msanthrope Oct 2012 #9
In for a penny, in for a pound: struggle4progress Oct 2012 #11
According to the BBC here is how he is coming to terms... AntiFascist Oct 2012 #12
Somehow it escapes Mr Smith's attention that: (1) the extradition here is an extradition to Sweden struggle4progress Oct 2012 #15
Somehow it seems to escape your attention that... AntiFascist Oct 2012 #17
Your comments seem hallucinatory struggle4progress Oct 2012 #18
Hallucinatory? AntiFascist Oct 2012 #19
"According to diplomatic sources" is pretty thin gruel. Most prescient in the Indie article struggle4progress Oct 2012 #22
It is also explained that he faces great danger... AntiFascist Oct 2012 #24
Gates apparently wasn't following the matter at all: struggle4progress Oct 2012 #26
I provided a statement by legitimate media made at the time... AntiFascist Oct 2012 #29
Sweden responded to the 2010 CoE recommendations here: struggle4progress Oct 2012 #23
I had no idea the laundry list of problems was so extensive... AntiFascist Oct 2012 #25
You don't actually follow the CoE on this subject, do you? You don't seem to actually know struggle4progress Oct 2012 #27
Please provide a comparative study between Sweden and the UK... AntiFascist Oct 2012 #28
Here's my concern about the Swedish system, spelled out in this article.. AntiFascist Oct 2012 #33
Yep: that's Glenn Greenwald, once again lying his head off as expected struggle4progress Oct 2012 #34
Once again, what you suspect turns out not to be true... AntiFascist Oct 2012 #35
Um, the article you linked in #33 certainly was written by Greenwald, and it exhibits his usual struggle4progress Oct 2012 #38
Um, I was referring to the link in #35... AntiFascist Oct 2012 #50
I can understand freepers hating Assange LiberalLovinLug Oct 2012 #13
You badly garbled your story, and that's one reason I stopped believing the Assangists: struggle4progress Oct 2012 #16
So I got the country wrong LiberalLovinLug Oct 2012 #20
No, the story didn't involve strong-arming anybody, either in Sweden or in Norway: struggle4progress Oct 2012 #21
Not strong-arming? LiberalLovinLug Oct 2012 #31
Your claim in #13 was that "the US then threatened the UK (and Sweden) by saying that struggle4progress Oct 2012 #32
Assange's guarantors ask for halt of £140,000 bail payout struggle4progress Oct 2012 #30
This paragraph would indicate that Assange, despite grandstanding by baggers, isn't a USA problem. freshwest Oct 2012 #36
The Belmarsh portion of the case ended in Feb 2011, when the magistrate Riddle issued his ruling, struggle4progress Oct 2012 #37
US pretty upset when republic of ecuador stepped in SESKATOW Oct 2012 #39
I don't think the USA and Ecaudor have any conflicts. No reason for the USA to be mad at them. freshwest Oct 2012 #40
There are some issues: Correa kicked out a US military base, and in the wake of Cablegate struggle4progress Oct 2012 #42
Okay, Ecuador had every right to do that. But by the B & W thinkers, the USA will grab someone freshwest Oct 2012 #43
It's not about Obama tama Oct 2012 #51
You did not understand my POV, rather, you tried to put me in one of your boxes for other people. freshwest Oct 2012 #52
Sorry tama Oct 2012 #53
We're fine. DUers talk to themselves at times. This subject is tedious to me. I'm task oriented. freshwest Oct 2012 #54
Big picture tama Oct 2012 #55
You're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts: struggle4progress Oct 2012 #41
Assange declared enemy of the state by good old USA SESKATOW Oct 2012 #44
Greenwald is a blowhard, whose main aim is to convince folk there's no difference between Ds and Rs struggle4progress Oct 2012 #45
evasion noted SESKATOW Oct 2012 #46
Your claim "Assange declared enemy of the state by good old USA" is hallucinatory struggle4progress Oct 2012 #47
there is nothing in you post countering what GG wrote. SESKATOW Oct 2012 #48
This bullshit has been thoroughly debunked: to send restricted information to an organization, struggle4progress Oct 2012 #49
Who's the 'enemy?' Asssange, etc. are citizens of western nations, not Al Queda. freshwest Oct 2012 #56
The use of the word "enemy" was clarified by a Pentagon spokesman... AntiFascist Oct 2012 #57
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