Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
39. I do not disagree with you
Wed Oct 3, 2012, 02:48 PM
Oct 2012

that West's reported behavior is relevant.

But here's the rub: He wasn't convicted of any major crime beyond assault. For that he was fined $5000 and allowed to retire from the military with full pay and benefits.

Now you and I may not like that, but those are the facts, and once we begin to say that allegations trump facts we are in a lot of trouble. Was it a miscarriage of justice? In my (and apparently your) opinion, yes it was. But the key point is "opinion", not finding of fact. I have brought up this point with folks before when they insisted it was OK to describe Oliver North as a "convicted felon". Since North's conviction was overturned, the description was inaccurate and misleading. No matter how much I BELIEVE North guilty, the fact his conviction was overturned cannot be ignored.

The other issues you bring up are factual, provable incidents, and we are within our rights to bring them up and impeach West's character with them. But to make a commercial which goes after him based on allegation while never mentioning exoneration (as much as we believe the exoneration undeserved) is simply wrong.

Doing the right thing is hard, because there are so many easy ways to justify doing the wrong thing. Which is why so many people do it.

I do not claim moral superiority to anyone here, I just explain why I think it is wrong and point out that any time you do something you would condemn others for doing you are doing wrong by your own definition.

If you truthfully accuse your opponent of lying about you, this does not give you license to lie about him, nor make your lying ethically/morally right.

(Please note I am using "you" in the context of example, second person plural, I am not talking about you personally, second person singular).

West sure asked for that one. FlaGranny Oct 2012 #1
That's exactly the way I see it - West brought this on himself. blm Oct 2012 #3
Well that was certainly long overdue. pennylane100 Oct 2012 #2
I'm impressed with Murphy but you gotta realize tularetom Oct 2012 #4
Yeah I know that. Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2012 #6
You just don't put this man in a position of power bjobotts Oct 2012 #33
NOTHING will change the crazy people from voting for him AAO Oct 2012 #18
Agreed Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #20
Comments from the Huffingtonpost site KansDem Oct 2012 #5
As a retired military officer James48 Oct 2012 #7
True words! And thank you for service. Lochloosa Oct 2012 #10
The Army is honorable in so many instances Berlum Oct 2012 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2012 #30
As an Active Duty officer, CRK7376 Oct 2012 #38
West Blows otohara Oct 2012 #8
West was found guilty, weren't the charges against Murphy dropped? ck4829 Oct 2012 #9
Most likely for first time alcohol related offenders..... Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2012 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2012 #12
I beleive he got white cloud Oct 2012 #16
No, he got a dishonorable discharge. Atman Oct 2012 #17
According to the news sources I am reading Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #21
He got a Honorable discharge Missycim Oct 2012 #22
He did not get a dishonorable discharge. James48 Oct 2012 #24
Not according to CNN Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #25
Hey, right wingers love people like West, I mean Iliyah Oct 2012 #13
He deserves it bill1100 Oct 2012 #15
According to news accounts Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #19
Sinking to West's level? What the heck is wrong with you, Kelvin? w4rma Oct 2012 #26
Charged versus convicted Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #32
It's called fighting fire with fire. Bohunk68 Oct 2012 #28
Excuse it any way you wish Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #31
Your "rightness" Bohunk68 Oct 2012 #35
How "right" I want to be Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #36
Here's why the West torture incident matters and is 100% fair game: Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2012 #37
I do not disagree with you Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #39
I understand what you are getting at..... Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2012 #40
The the ad Kelvin Mace Oct 2012 #41
Patrick Murphy was a teenager and Allen West was in his 40s JI7 Oct 2012 #23
But according to him, Debbie Wasserman Schultz whathehell Oct 2012 #27
Then there is the sex letter SemperEadem Oct 2012 #29
This idiot West is the symptom of a diseased political system........ SILVER__FOX52 Oct 2012 #34
Latest Discussions»Latest Breaking News»Allen West's Military Rec...»Reply #39