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OldDem2012

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29. The first question I'd like to see answered is....
Tue Oct 2, 2012, 05:38 PM
Oct 2012

...whether or not the plain-clothes Border Patrol agent clearly and completely identified himself to Alvarado. She may have panicked thinking he was trying to rob her.

The second question is whether or not the forensic evidence indicates the agent's firearm was discharged within a few inches of the windshield which would be the case if the agent was on the hood as he claimed.

The angle of the fatal shots through the windshield into Alvarado's body should also be able to tell us at what angle the firearm was discharged. The higher the angle, the more likely the agent was on the hood. The lower the angle, the more likely the agent was standing at some distance from the front of the car.

I'm also concerned with the wide radius of the shots into the windshield. It would stand to reason that someone on the hood would have placed more shots into a much smaller radius centered on where the driver actually sat.

Additionally, the forensics should be able to tell us how close the agent was to the windshield by the amount of glass particles, however minute, found on his clothing and/or on his body. Hopefully, they collected his clothing and checked his body for glass particles before he was able to go home and wash them.

depends on whether witnesses conform to the views of their peer group at the scene nt msongs Oct 2012 #1
So glad this "plain clothes" person was armed...and apparently dangerous. Now tell the five kids. cr8tvlde Oct 2012 #2
So glad you're ready to pass judgement glacierbay Oct 2012 #4
Well, I hate to defend law enforcement... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2012 #36
Not passing judgment...he shot and killed her. Even if she was a "hit and run" cr8tvlde Oct 2012 #50
She knew the man she deliberately hit was a law enforcement officer - See new info in other thread slackmaster Oct 2012 #51
What should he do... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2012 #52
Does anyone have a pic of the scene or the car? /nt Ash_F Oct 2012 #3
Here is one azurnoir Oct 2012 #6
That definitely looks like an impact against the windshield glacierbay Oct 2012 #12
Indeed, that looks like a very hard hit. Ash_F Oct 2012 #26
Witness statements are important glacierbay Oct 2012 #27
Discounting the lady's statement right away is not right either. Ash_F Oct 2012 #28
The reason I'm discounting her eyewitness account glacierbay Oct 2012 #31
I counted 10 with my eyes, for sure, looking at azurnoir's pic. Ash_F Oct 2012 #33
I agree glacierbay Oct 2012 #34
Here's a picture of the car Joanie Baloney Oct 2012 #7
The link in the OP has a video tkmorris Oct 2012 #9
No reason to take a side until all of the facts come out. JRLeft Oct 2012 #5
+1000 glacierbay Oct 2012 #8
True enough, BUT tkmorris Oct 2012 #11
I agree. Interestingly I have talked with 3 Border Patrol Agents (in another Sector) since this grantcart Oct 2012 #24
Just another cop bullshit story.............. SILVER__FOX52 Oct 2012 #10
Just another bullshit slam against cops glacierbay Oct 2012 #13
Don't you know? ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2012 #14
To listen to some here glacierbay Oct 2012 #15
That's admirable atreides1 Oct 2012 #19
In my capacity as a LT. glacierbay Oct 2012 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author AnotherMcIntosh Oct 2012 #42
Funny thing about cops getting run over and killing the driver... Comrade Grumpy Oct 2012 #16
"I was just trying to get away" is not a defense to reckless endangerment.... ProudToBeBlueInRhody Oct 2012 #20
You raise some good questions glacierbay Oct 2012 #22
We know that the woman was not the subject of the warrant and had not connection with the person grantcart Oct 2012 #25
Look at the pic of the windshield... awoke_in_2003 Oct 2012 #38
"Police do make mistakes, I've made my share of them." atreides1 Oct 2012 #17
Yes glacierbay Oct 2012 #23
Welcome to DU. bemildred Oct 2012 #47
Thank you glacierbay Oct 2012 #48
I'd be more afraid I'd die trying to shoot than to hang on til the car stopped SaveAmerica Oct 2012 #18
Supposedly he stood up on the hood and shot her. Ashgrey77 Oct 2012 #30
The first question I'd like to see answered is.... OldDem2012 Oct 2012 #29
Let me guess glacierbay Oct 2012 #32
One Thing for Sure LarryNM Oct 2012 #35
True glacierbay Oct 2012 #40
Forensics Will Not tell what she was thinking or thought was happening LarryNM Oct 2012 #41
It could be a sudden attacks of rage not self defense AlphaCentauri Oct 2012 #37
Yeah, it could have been a completely unrelated accident. randome Oct 2012 #39
Here's an update to the story Joanie Baloney Oct 2012 #43
Thanks for the update Ash_F Oct 2012 #44
If This Info is Correct Then her Actions were Illegal and Wrong LarryNM Oct 2012 #46
My old buddy CVPD chief David Bejarano was on the radio this morning explaining what they know slackmaster Oct 2012 #49
On the one hand, we have more cameras in public places now than ever before. Trillo Oct 2012 #45
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