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90. Parents don;t ahve a right to abuse and torture their kid

Mon Oct 1, 2012, 08:10 AM

Oct 2012

Including having fake "medical" treatments, which this is, as much as praying over a child instead of giving them insulin is.

I trust the AMA and APA over you.

You really are advocating and defending Gay Therapy for children, and it has NO PLACE on DU.

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California becomes First State in Nation to Ban 'Gay Cure' Therapy for Children [View all] trailmonkee Sep 2012 OP

Will it stand up in the courts? hrmjustin Sep 2012 #1

It should. This sort of "therapy" is child abuse. SunSeeker Sep 2012 #6

you never know with the wrong judge. hrmjustin Sep 2012 #7

Yeah, emphasis on wrong. nt SunSeeker Sep 2012 #9

+1 sarcasmo Sep 2012 #33

Gay Identity Reassignment is Child Abuse Shuhered Oct 2012 #122

outstanding Deep13 Sep 2012 #2

I love my state! SoapBox Sep 2012 #3

Agree.. AsahinaKimi Sep 2012 #10

You know what is said about California . . . Jack Rabbit Sep 2012 #18

This is something that has to happen..eventually AsahinaKimi Sep 2012 #19

We have some of the most progressive thinking and acting legislators... Tikki Sep 2012 #11

My state's government passes a lot of stupid, pointless laws. This is not one of them. slackmaster Sep 2012 #4

Hehehehehe, love Cali! Iliyah Sep 2012 #5

The first of 50, I hope. nt ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #8

Du rec. Nt xchrom Sep 2012 #12

One of the worst things you can do to a kid Teamster Jeff Sep 2012 #13

I liken it to killing the spirit... sounds kind of heavy, but how else can you describe it? trailmonkee Sep 2012 #14

Menticide Major Nikon Sep 2012 #23

Especially when it is something that they have no choice about and cannot change, nt tblue37 Sep 2012 #49

Totally True, Jeff Shuhered Oct 2012 #124

So now they will farm them out to Arizona or something I bet. dkf Sep 2012 #15

Dr. Bachmann will open a clinic on the Nevada border. Fuddnik Sep 2012 #16

Good for Cali Ash_F Sep 2012 #17

Woot Woot!!! Thank you Gov. Brown secondwind Sep 2012 #20

As much as I loathe the "Gay Cure" theory, I disagree with this ban. MercutioATC Sep 2012 #21

remember the smothering therapy? trailmonkee Sep 2012 #22

Where do you OBJECTIVELY draw the line? MercutioATC Sep 2012 #28

when it is not a medically proven treatment and there is a consensus that it is abusive. trailmonkee Sep 2012 #29

you make it sound so theoretical, like their are no victims CreekDog Oct 2012 #57

If you're deciding public policy, you HAVE to be clinical. MercutioATC Oct 2012 #63

Nice try at misrepresenting the source of opposition to this "treatment" -not just personal opinion CreekDog Oct 2012 #64

I'm simply stating that one person's authority is not necessarily another's. MercutioATC Oct 2012 #66

So Christian Scientists should be allowed to deny their cancer stricken children medical treatment? CreekDog Oct 2012 #68

I believe that we're viewing the issue differently. MercutioATC Oct 2012 #71

You didn't answer the ONLY question I just asked --about Christian Science CreekDog Oct 2012 #73

Again, you jump to conclusions. MercutioATC Oct 2012 #74

You are ageeing that children should be forced to have harmful untheical treatment obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #87

i see it as prisoner of war type torture trailmonkee Oct 2012 #99

Equating a juvenile KILLING someone to a minor being forced into "gay therapy"?! obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #86

I draw the line at child torture. Starry Messenger Oct 2012 #60

Disagree primavera Oct 2012 #119

Some people's beliefs include cliterectomies, which is banned in the US Major Nikon Sep 2012 #24

It is torture, plain and simple. If an adult wants to be tortured, fine. MADem Sep 2012 #25

religion aside, it is quakery because they are basing it on the idea that you learn to be Gay... trailmonkee Sep 2012 #27

sorry Quackery... completely different than quakery :) trailmonkee Sep 2012 #31

Yes, I agree that it is quackery. MADem Sep 2012 #35

THis, and it also goes against the AMA and APA obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #88

It isn't a full ban but only a ban on doing it to children dsc Sep 2012 #30

Yeah, but now we're getting into the rights of a parent. MercutioATC Sep 2012 #32

What rights? Parents don't have the right to abuse their children. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2012 #34

"Abuse" is your word, not theirs. MercutioATC Sep 2012 #37

Most abusers don't. (nt) Posteritatis Sep 2012 #44

sending them to a quack who will try to beat or shock the gay out of them? CreekDog Oct 2012 #58

Or make them feel they're somehow "defective" FloridaJudy Oct 2012 #61

it should be as allowed as a prohibited medical procedure CreekDog Oct 2012 #62

you don't think it's abuse, well that's interesting CreekDog Oct 2012 #59

It's interesting that you can't distinguish between the words "they" and "I". MercutioATC Oct 2012 #69

good luck marginalizing the APA as some sort of personal opinion CreekDog Oct 2012 #70

...and you seem to be way too invested in it to form rational thoughts. MercutioATC Oct 2012 #72

Do you or do you not agree with the APA on this? obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #92

Abusers never do obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #91

Well they do 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #38

Parents don't have the right to allow a "therapist" or a religious person to MADem Sep 2012 #36

YOU believe that. THEY don't. MercutioATC Sep 2012 #40

Who's "they?" The parents who get the visit from CPS and have their parental rights abrogated? MADem Sep 2012 #46

+1 Gormy Cuss Oct 2012 #108

Stop it, the American Psychiatric Association has CONDEMNED it CreekDog Oct 2012 #65

Case law for paremts being allowed to tirture and abus etheir kids? obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #93

children are not cattle dsc Sep 2012 #39

Why not let parents submit kids to trepanning or unmodified electroconvulsive therapy? ck4829 Sep 2012 #42

good examples trailmonkee Sep 2012 #51

It should be allowed obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #94

What's a comparable religious practice??? hunter Sep 2012 #45

Actually, raising children in any "faith" is comparable in my opinion. MercutioATC Sep 2012 #47

Well, not so much in my family or community. hunter Sep 2012 #48

ALL Christians tell children they are going to hell, because they are Manifestor_of_Light Oct 2012 #126

Parents don;t ahve a right to abuse and torture their kid obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #90

"we all want to be able to express our personal and religious views without government intervention" Hassin Bin Sober Sep 2012 #41

Advocating that this "therapy" is acceptable for any reason, in any context, is DEEPLY homophobic Occulus Sep 2012 #53

This This This obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #95

it's twisted logic, saying that this abuse of a child must be allowed to protect parental rights CreekDog Oct 2012 #107

His behavior on this thread should get him banned. Occulus Oct 2012 #109

You are not alone in thinking it either. Jamastiene Oct 2012 #112

ugh CreekDog Oct 2012 #56

So, I guess you think we should allow female genital mutilation as well? Jamastiene Oct 2012 #76

No, I don't. MercutioATC Oct 2012 #78

You are fine with that obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #96

"To be clear, I'm not "fine" with it." Occulus Oct 2012 #104

"silly issues" "abomination before god" Really? Jamastiene Oct 2012 #111

You do not have a right to ABUSE YOUR KIDS. Odin2005 Oct 2012 #81

The law isn't about religious views FarawayBlue Oct 2012 #83

uh huh obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #97

Well, in other states, the licensing issues sure are putting a halt to abortion clinics valerief Oct 2012 #100

Evolution is a theory, this isn't a theory obamanut2012 Oct 2012 #85

Right. I can tell you exactly where that "respect religious beliefs on child treatment" goes. Heywood J Oct 2012 #89

I can only surmise that you're a homophobe lunatica Oct 2012 #98

He's a homophobe, all right Occulus Oct 2012 #110

children cannot consent to this therapy, and the state has a right to protect children La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2012 #101

WRONG Kali Oct 2012 #103

So you are in favor of Child Abuse? dbackjon Oct 2012 #106

I would agree with you if there were not children involved. Chemisse Oct 2012 #113

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This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Oct 2012 #121

I am going to disagree with you here jmowreader Oct 2012 #123

Huzzuh! sakabatou Sep 2012 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Sep 2012 #43

Next thing you know they'll want to take away the kids' guns. valerief Sep 2012 #50

You win the thread with that comment! nt MADem Sep 2012 #52

Well Put. Paladin Oct 2012 #84

lol La Lioness Priyanka Oct 2012 #102

Thank god. Third Doctor Oct 2012 #54

Definitely going in the right direction. ronnie624 Oct 2012 #55

Recommended. William769 Oct 2012 #67

The only people who believe you can "pray the gay away" Socal31 Oct 2012 #75

I wonder how soon North Carolina puts another amendment to our state's constitution Jamastiene Oct 2012 #77

Good LAW Shuhered Oct 2012 #79

Welcome to DU and thanks for this great post. cbayer Oct 2012 #105

+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000!!! Odin2005 Oct 2012 #80

Enchante !!!! marmar Oct 2012 #82

K&r Politicub Oct 2012 #114

Jerry Brown, Best Governor in American History. David Zephyr Oct 2012 #115

the other way around kat22 Oct 2012 #116

Excellent point, which highlights the abusive nature of the so-called "therapy" Warren DeMontague Oct 2012 #117

May the rest of the country follow libodem Oct 2012 #118

Kick! sarcasmo Oct 2012 #125