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MercutioATC

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71. Can you explain your definition of "gun cultist"?
Sat Sep 29, 2012, 01:55 PM
Sep 2012

I have friends who are more into guns than I am. They love the precision, the workmanship. They appreciate all of the little nuances of how a firearm works. They buy new stocks at gun shows to replace the ones they already have because the grain in the wood is more attractive. They have libraries of the history of weapons and warfare, they have collector-grade historical items from WW1 and WW2, they have individual rounds of ammunition in odd calibers simply because that round hasn't been made in 100 years.

They also own 20, 30, 40 guns.

Are they "gun cultists?


I'm not a competitive shooter, but I also have friends who competitively shoot. For them, shooting is a sport (compare it to archery). They are meticulous about the mechanics of firearms and how to improve a firearm's performance. They shoot hundreds of rounds per practice session and they regularly stock thousands of rounds because they stock up when they find deals.

They own a dozen or so guns.

Are they "gun cultists"?


I'm not a hunter, but I have friends who hunt. For most of them, it's a family tradition that's passed down from generation to generation. All of the hunters I know use the meat. None of them take an iffy shot because they don't want the animal to suffer. I know one hunter who got off of work at 5:00pm, sat in the woods for seven hours, shot a deer, dressed it and then drove the carcass to a butcher the next morning on the way to work for the sole purpose of donating the meat to a homeless shelter.

They typically own 3-10 guns.

Are they "gun cultists"?


I'm an air traffic controller. I'm not a historian, I'm not a competitive shooter, I don't hunt. I enjoy some target shooting and primarily own guns for home defense. I don't have a CCW, but have considered getting one.

I own three guns.

Am I a "gun cultist"?


All of us are rabid about gun safety. All of us have used guns regularly and are very familiar with what a gun can do.


So, are any of us qualified to teach kids about gun safety, or are we all "gun cultists"?


Peace to all beings, ZombieHorde Sep 2012 #1
Oh, shut up psychopomp Sep 2012 #7
At least spell whether right. Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #24
I believe that is the correct spelling in the Zombie language. nt Mojorabbit Sep 2012 #86
“It’s almost always inadvertent rather than intentional” Yeah, right. FailureToCommunicate Sep 2012 #2
Basic gun safety should be taught in public schools slackmaster Sep 2012 #3
what we really need to teach in public schools HankyDub Sep 2012 #19
solving problems with guns is always wrong. AlbertCat Sep 2012 #21
By which logic the police should be disarmed...yes? Bocks Car Sep 2012 #22
That would be a start pscot Sep 2012 #41
Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #92
Surprisingly, that has never happened to me pscot Sep 2012 #107
Yes, all the gun nuts live in "thug" central. Scootaloo Sep 2012 #127
Gay bashing is not limited to thug central ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #129
Please read the hidden post above. Scootaloo Sep 2012 #131
I teach firearms on the weekends, mostly to GLBTs and women ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #133
But it is propaganda for the overwhelming majority of people who spew it. Scootaloo Sep 2012 #134
And I would have voted to hide it too. ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #135
When did we start talking about CCW? Scootaloo Sep 2012 #137
And you know what oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #73
"A British"? What exactly is that? And what's a 'theif'? Bocks Car Sep 2012 #97
happy now? oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #111
That's a bad philosophy if your opponent doesn't agree. jtuck004 Sep 2012 #29
Except when it's not... Lightbulb_on Sep 2012 #30
Yup, we should teach kids to shoot their way out of every situation! HankyDub Sep 2012 #66
See? Superlative... Lightbulb_on Sep 2012 #88
Dumbass gun banners. Bocks Car Sep 2012 #100
So . . just call the cops and let them solve it with their . . . er . . . whistles? nt 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #120
Yes well the problem is that deregulation Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #26
What deregulation? slackmaster Sep 2012 #36
changes in the the crime rate are not explained by guns. Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #38
So, if you can't make a connection between guns and crime rates... slackmaster Sep 2012 #40
oh there are problems with guns Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #46
Your "deregulation" hasn't resulted in more crime. MercutioATC Sep 2012 #52
The crime rate has more to do with the economy than with anything else. RC Sep 2012 #55
Got stats for that? PavePusher Sep 2012 #56
Start with this. RC Sep 2012 #60
If there's a correlation, it's very weak, and not well demonstrated to be linked to economy. PavePusher Sep 2012 #63
I don't disagree, but that wasn't the question. MercutioATC Sep 2012 #65
I never claimed it did. It also hasn't decreased crime. Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #67
Actually, homicide rates are correlated to gun availability. DanTex Sep 2012 #69
It also hasn't demonstrably increased crime, yet you say it's bad. MercutioATC Sep 2012 #75
It causes more deaths, not more crime. DanTex Sep 2012 #77
Lifestyle choices cause even more deaths. MercutioATC Sep 2012 #84
Some of them are already regulated. DanTex Sep 2012 #85
Guns are heavily regulated. MercutioATC Sep 2012 #87
We have cut deaths due to murder and manslaughter in half since 1992 hack89 Sep 2012 #110
Rates of gun ownership are Warren Stupidity Sep 2012 #115
Cutting the mortality rate of any public health problem in half would be considered a success. hack89 Sep 2012 #117
But it is a fact there there are fewer shootings, injuries and death. hack89 Sep 2012 #118
IMO you have structured the question exactly backward slackmaster Sep 2012 #57
And crime rates are spiking because of this 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #121
Common Sense? fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #28
I would say, spend the money on mental health screening before buying Arctic Dave Sep 2012 #32
EXACTLY fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #35
Great. Another unfunded mandate on the schools. No thank you! Suji to Seoul Sep 2012 #33
If it saves just one life... slackmaster Sep 2012 #37
Again. another unfunded mandate levied on the schools. No thank you. Suji to Seoul Sep 2012 #109
Who will teach gun safety? - Some gun proliferating NRA (out to beat Obama) sanctioned instructor? Hoyt Sep 2012 #42
Local law enforcement agencies, shooting ranges, gun clubs, colleges, retired military people slackmaster Sep 2012 #43
I think we'd be better off if people steeped in guns were not involved. Hoyt Sep 2012 #48
I think we'd want people who were falimiar with guns teaching the class. MercutioATC Sep 2012 #53
"Familiar" or wedded to them to point they tote everywhere and Hoyt Sep 2012 #64
Can you explain your definition of "gun cultist"? MercutioATC Sep 2012 #71
I see your problem, you're worried that same-sex marriage will lead to man-gun wedlock. Bocks Car Sep 2012 #102
Who Would Pay For It? Paladin Sep 2012 #50
Everyone who pays property tax, just as they pay for sex education slackmaster Sep 2012 #58
Curriculum can be set up to be neutral ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #124
Basic reading, writing and arithmetic is what needs to be taught in schools.... Swede Atlanta Sep 2012 #112
If schools have the bandwidth to spend multiple days on sex and drug education, slackmaster Sep 2012 #114
Charge them with a felony, revoke their right to carry guns, period. denverbill Sep 2012 #4
+1 slampoet Sep 2012 #11
+ 1,000,000 n/t cosmicone Sep 2012 #13
+10000000 nt Viva_La_Revolution Sep 2012 #14
That sounds reasonable. Anyone here disagree? TheCowsCameHome Sep 2012 #15
I'll disagree. People do make all sorts of mistakes, some of them fairly petronius Sep 2012 #47
1,105 gun-toting idiots have tested the system so far this year. TheCowsCameHome Sep 2012 #74
Stupid Error. oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #76
An (in)action or mistake with no criminal intent and no harmful outcome petronius Sep 2012 #89
How about Lawrence vs Texas? Does that one offend your anticonstitutional sensibilities too? Bocks Car Sep 2012 #103
+1 SemperEadem Sep 2012 #18
+ ∞ AlbertCat Sep 2012 #23
+ 5 brazillion kestrel91316 Sep 2012 #34
The gun owners treat a gun like a toothbrush Rosa Luxemburg Sep 2012 #39
All of your liquids must be in a ziploc bag outside of your carrryon. MercutioATC Sep 2012 #54
Why do you want to invent new felonies? PavePusher Sep 2012 #59
+ a googol valerief Sep 2012 #62
What would be, in your opinion, an appropriate punishment for a person who forgets his child Bocks Car Sep 2012 #98
The better analogy, actually, would be that the kid is noticed and retrieved petronius Sep 2012 #113
Zero tolerance 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #122
test Mitts window open theory PatrynXX Sep 2012 #5
Proof that more guns make us safe. Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #6
Hey, you never know when some nut might have sneaked a gun on board. TheCowsCameHome Sep 2012 #8
Are the pilots who (legally) carry guns with them in the cockpit also 'jerkwads'? Bocks Car Sep 2012 #99
I'm sure you can figure that out, if you try hard enough. TheCowsCameHome Sep 2012 #101
I just did. The shitbrush is VERY wide. Bocks Car Sep 2012 #104
..and you're holding it. TheCowsCameHome Sep 2012 #106
“It’s almost always inadvertent rather than intentional” drm604 Sep 2012 #9
How many moslems get to use that excuse? Monk06 Sep 2012 #10
Every gun owner I know agrees that gun owners should follow the law aikoaiko Sep 2012 #12
What would really be nice is if gun owners wouldn't push gun laws to the envelope. Hoyt Sep 2012 #45
I agree that not all civil liberties have to be expressed constantly, but aikoaiko Sep 2012 #83
People are never assaulted in parks? 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #119
So some people should not have the right to address the government for changes in the law ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #125
No, professor, I'm saying lots of things are best not done even if legal. Hoyt Sep 2012 #126
You are free to maintain that position ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #128
Act responsibly in society's best interest, rather than your own, Hoyt Sep 2012 #130
Self defense is a basic human right and is also in society's best interest ProgressiveProfessor Sep 2012 #132
We can all come up with a reason to carry lethal weapons around. Hoyt Sep 2012 #136
Except for the ones who don't. DanTex Sep 2012 #72
People not following the law? What are we to do? aikoaiko Sep 2012 #82
This thread brings Mrs. Lou Dobbs to mind! MADem Sep 2012 #16
they know they've got a loaded gun in their carry on luggage SemperEadem Sep 2012 #17
Thanks to Mr. Castelveter & his troops we were able to win that war in Viet Nam. Bocks Car Sep 2012 #20
'They', of course, would be those who attempt to carry handguns onto flights. ronnie624 Sep 2012 #25
Forgetting? fightthegoodfightnow Sep 2012 #27
OK. So you're going on a trip and you pack the essentials lunatica Sep 2012 #31
You're packing for your flight pscot Sep 2012 #44
It is understandable. As more people become more fearful and more start carrying, it can become uppityperson Sep 2012 #49
I'm sure that most say they forgot. Gormy Cuss Sep 2012 #51
And this, my friends, is how "responsible" gun owners let their guns get into the hands valerief Sep 2012 #61
Yeah, I'm sure it's an accident. JoeyT Sep 2012 #68
Proof Positive oldsarge54 Sep 2012 #70
Being added to a No Fly List might jog their memories. TheCowsCameHome Sep 2012 #78
Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #105
Ok, they forgot nadinbrzezinski Sep 2012 #79
If you don't know where your gun is, it really doesn't provide much protection nichomachus Sep 2012 #80
Or much support for terrorism: Bocks Car Sep 2012 #93
fucking idiots Skittles Sep 2012 #81
What should we do about the cops who forget they left their guns on the bureau Bocks Car Sep 2012 #94
LOL Skittles Sep 2012 #123
Come on people. Who here never forgot about a loaded gun you were carrying before? Incitatus Sep 2012 #90
Having a gun in your luggage is hardly 'carrying' it. Bocks Car Sep 2012 #95
They weren't carrying their luggage? Incitatus Sep 2012 #108
well TheFarseer Sep 2012 #91
"Dickless" good thing you're leveling that kind of insult 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #96
Unlike just about everyone else, I find this credible. Jim Lane Sep 2012 #116
It seems that it is not really the carry-on bags. ManiacJoe Oct 2012 #138
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