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In the discussion thread: Woman arrested for marring anti-jihad NY subway ad [View all]

Wed Sep 26, 2012, 05:59 PM

99. Yes...what was done was vandalism

What in the world do you mean by that?

A person who commits vandalism is called a vandal, regardless of motive.

Am I to assume that you are posting in this thread in support of those SIOA-FDI signs? Are you excusing Geller's own vicious attacks on Muslims?

You should assume nothing of the kind. Because it was a staged media event I am doubting the motives of the vandal, a person you hailed.

I can see/understand/and times support money wrenching, which is also a kind of vandalism. Some COEXIST stickers across the bottom two line would have been cool. You posted those kind of pictures previously, assuming they were not photoshopped cut and pastes.

The posters are noxious and are not helpful in any way. MTA was forced by the court to allow them. There are 10 (not 6 as I posted earlier) which cost $6K for 30 days. Its free speech and those rights mean enough to me that while I disagree with it, I will tolerate it. I also believe that the solution to bad speech is more speech, not self aggrandizing media events.

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121 replies	Author	Time	Post
Woman arrested for marring anti-jihad NY subway ad [View all]	closeupready	Sep 2012	OP
She sure seemed to hate that poster though...	socialindependocrat	Sep 2012	#1
I've often found that what "seems" to be, and what actually is, are quite often two wholly separate	LanternWaste	Sep 2012	#13
I am so ashamed...	socialindependocrat	Sep 2012	#15
Anything to say about the haters who are responsible for that poster at all?	sabrina 1	Sep 2012	#65
she hated on a hateful poster..	frylock	Sep 2012	#102
I think a reasonable argument can be made that if the action involves	no_hypocrisy	Sep 2012	#2
But if it's actually public property	DLnyc	Sep 2012	#42
Here's the rub: Somebody paid to put up that ad.	no_hypocrisy	Sep 2012	#67
no. here in LA occupiers were arrested for writing with chalk on the sidewalk. chalk!	robinlynne	Sep 2012	#115
Good on you, Mona!!!	Scuba	Sep 2012	#3
I would have probably done the same --	Hell Hath No Fury	Sep 2012	#7
That is vandalism and is illegal	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#11
Sometimes vandalism is the correct response to hate speech --	Hell Hath No Fury	Sep 2012	#38
Correct response is not spray painting the speech of others including another person in the process	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#48
I see this as an act of civil disobedience. Mona will pay her fine.	Comrade Grumpy	Sep 2012	#100
yep	frylock	Sep 2012	#105
I hope the fine is HUGE!	FrodosPet	Sep 2012	#119
whoop-dee-fucking-doo	frylock	Sep 2012	#104
This seems excessive. Defacing advertising in subway stations is common. Has been for decades.	SleeplessinSoCal	Sep 2012	#4
Still illegal vandalism	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#12
This message was self-deleted by its author	bupkus	Sep 2012	#20
In their windows? Not by our standards no.	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#34
This message was self-deleted by its author	bupkus	Sep 2012	#37
You asked if spraypainting over "jew" signs in their own windows	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#40
This message was self-deleted by its author	bupkus	Sep 2012	#43
Right, which is why I clearly said by our standards	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#45
Surely you can make up better strawmen than that	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#49
The 1st Amendment does not protect property destruction.	appal_jack	Sep 2012	#5
This message was self-deleted by its author	bupkus	Sep 2012	#6
Really?	Indydem	Sep 2012	#9
This message was self-deleted by its author	bupkus	Sep 2012	#16
What if the billboard called Israel savage and said Support Palestine?	oberliner	Sep 2012	#17
This message was self-deleted by its author	bupkus	Sep 2012	#25
Why not?	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#51
Because there's a double standard in America, PP.	Scootaloo	Sep 2012	#54
You need to read up and get some facts...	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#58
Black Bloc don't much like the occupy movement do you?	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#64
There are other places to watch the video...	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#68
yep I'll bet on that	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#90
I know the facts, thanks	Scootaloo	Sep 2012	#76
lol	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#91
No, no, no...haven't we been lectured that companies, organizations, etc are not	24601	Sep 2012	#117
No it would not at least IMO	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#60
There is a difference	joeglow3	Sep 2012	#18
This message was self-deleted by its author	bupkus	Sep 2012	#23
Who gets to define "hate speech"?	joeglow3	Sep 2012	#50
NO PROGRESSIVES ARE DEFENDING THE 1st	Missycim	Sep 2012	#21
This message was self-deleted by its author	bupkus	Sep 2012	#24
who gets to define what hate speech is?	Missycim	Sep 2012	#32
This message was self-deleted by its author	bupkus	Sep 2012	#41
THat is your right	Missycim	Sep 2012	#53
But this is not abouut a movie it is about a known hate group that was allowed to put ba sign	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#57
I have no idea if they are a hate group or not	Missycim	Sep 2012	#62
The names of the associated groups are at the bottom of the sign	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#70
I agree they aren't a very good group lol	Missycim	Sep 2012	#77
So if an atheist were to put up a sign that said,	FrodosPet	Sep 2012	#120
Actually, hate speech is indeed free speech. Whether we agree with that speech is another	SlimJimmy	Sep 2012	#55
Hate speech most certainly is free speech. nt	Codeine	Sep 2012	#113
Well, they just silenced the spray painter. Since EVERYTHING is 'speech' now,	sabrina 1	Sep 2012	#81
why are you on the wrong side of every issue?	snooper2	Sep 2012	#26
LOL... destroying someone else's property is not covered under the 1st Amendment...	Comrade_McKenzie	Sep 2012	#29
Keith Haring was a vandal? Who knew?	closeupready	Sep 2012	#33
This message was self-deleted by its author	bupkus	Sep 2012	#44
Umbrage if free, take all you want, but the vandal's actions were illegal	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#47
these people aren't progressives by any stretch	frylock	Sep 2012	#106
Who sold the ad space? The Transit Authority?	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#8
MTA fought it in court and lost	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#10
The Transit Authority was forced to place them there by a judge	ProudToBeBlueInRhody	Sep 2012	#35
:face plam:	Kelvin Mace	Sep 2012	#39
During this there was also an altercation with a supporter of the poster	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#14
If the poster supporter started the altercation, self-defense	closeupready	Sep 2012	#19
I watched the video	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#46
well let's take a gander at it but folks don't miss the anti-Obama ad that is attached to Calos's	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#59
I think they rotate like those here at DU	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#71
I watched the video, and being 100% honest,	closeupready	Sep 2012	#61
Do you think that she spay painted the counter protestor as well?	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#69
Assault and battery, no.	closeupready	Sep 2012	#72
I do not agree with the part about a perp not being responsible for their actions if warning	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#79
Culpability is shared.	closeupready	Sep 2012	#83
Not at all, I question the vandal's motives because of the set up with the media	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#86
If I stare at you, that is not A&B. If I touch your shoulder in	closeupready	Sep 2012	#96
Prosecutors waste all sorts of time and public funds on bogus prosecutions	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#98
I think that Gellers employee (according to Miller)	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#73
I commented on it earlier...though it may have been elsewhere now that I think about it	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#78
She's an activist and a very dedicated one	starroute	Sep 2012	#22
Fascinating. I wonder even if she	closeupready	Sep 2012	#28
Good. That's vandalism. nt	Comrade_McKenzie	Sep 2012	#27
This message was self-deleted by its author	bupkus	Sep 2012	#30
Good God, this place is silly. It was an act of civil disobedience.	Comrade Grumpy	Sep 2012	#101
It will most likely include restitution to the very people she was hating on.	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#108
Yeah, 50 cents to replace that poster is gonna make Pam Geller's day.	Comrade Grumpy	Sep 2012	#110
It would, even if it is just symbolic. I really see both sides as drama queens at this point	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#114
I doubt it	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#31
I support Eltahawy's act of Civil Disobedience.	bluedigger	Sep 2012	#36
Including what looks like assaulting a counter protestor with paint?	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#52
That isn't what I see.	bluedigger	Sep 2012	#74
Spray painting people, even if they get in your way while you are doing something illegal, is also	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#80
Then she must be satisfied with the actions taken.	bluedigger	Sep 2012	#109
But more dramatic for both sides if there is a criminal complaint	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#112
I might have done it too	mitchtv	Sep 2012	#63
I thought the OP read she was marrying the ad	darkangel218	Sep 2012	#56
As long as the ad consents, what's the problem?	closeupready	Sep 2012	#66
Aparently the ad didnt consent so she's in jail now	darkangel218	Sep 2012	#75
I knew I wasn't the only one n/t	Duer 157099	Sep 2012	#85
Brava Mona!	countryjake	Sep 2012	#82
I'm wondering now if the "fighting words" doctrine	closeupready	Sep 2012	#84
Probably not, but it doesn't matter, anyway...	countryjake	Sep 2012	#87
I am sure she know how to throw a media event...	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#88
Whatever it takes to expose the Islamophobia!	countryjake	Sep 2012	#93
Making it a media event the way she did, leads me question to her motives	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#95
"the vandal" ?????????	countryjake	Sep 2012	#97
Yes...what was done was vandalism	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#99
Yes, it was vandalism. Much more importantly, it was an act of civil disobediance.	Comrade Grumpy	Sep 2012	#103
Only spots I know of who slime Mona with nasty terms like...	countryjake	Sep 2012	#107
if someone was defacing hateful anti-Semitic ads posted in nyc subway stations - I wonder how many	Douglas Carpenter	Sep 2012	#89
I wonder how many DU'ers would be telling others to "Have a nice shower."	Behind the Aegis	Sep 2012	#92
War doesn't have rules	Shitty Mitty	Sep 2012	#111
If she created the work she defaced it would be protected performance art	onenote	Sep 2012	#94
video here	riverwalker	Sep 2012	#116
Why resort to vandalism? There are so many legal ways to protest the ads.	Nye Bevan	Sep 2012	#118
It was set up as a media event	ProgressiveProfessor	Sep 2012	#121

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