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In the discussion thread: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Iran President, Slams Homosexuality As An 'Ugly Behavior' [View all]

Tue Sep 25, 2012, 08:23 AM

MADem (87,192 posts)

60. I notice that a lot of people can't read contextually at all.

Saying that one thinks Iran's human rights record on gays SUCKS does NOT mean--and has never meant--that one is supportive of war. I don't remember George Bush standing up and crying for the "gays of Iraq." Never. Not once.

Anyone who makes that claim is not thinking very clearly at all. Anyone who insinuates that there is a connection between the continued and long standing wish for equal rights in Iran, where children are murdered for the "crime of being gay," and a sudden desire for war is engaging in speculation that is unfettered by any logical thought.

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207 replies	Author	Time	Post
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Iran President, Slams Homosexuality As An 'Ugly Behavior' [View all]	oberliner	Sep 2012	OP
Not surprised	JustAnotherGen	Sep 2012	#1
And that's why this guy shouldn't have a gun . n/t	orpupilofnature57	Sep 2012	#2
Or a bomb!	Pterodactyl	Sep 2012	#165
Or a pea-shooter !!!!	orpupilofnature57	Sep 2012	#174
This message was self-deleted by its author	darkangel218	Sep 2012	#3
I would think no liberal/progressive would like their current leadership	oberliner	Sep 2012	#4
Human rights are atrocious in alot of other places	darkangel218	Sep 2012	#7
Absolutely right	oberliner	Sep 2012	#8
Ahhh...	zellie	Sep 2012	#13
You should start a thread about that then, instead of engaging in false comparisons and	MADem	Sep 2012	#55
after this post be dragons	Tunkamerica	Sep 2012	#22
So are several other nations'	Scootaloo	Sep 2012	#35
Homosexuality	ikl	Sep 2012	#43
Perhaps Oberliner's interest does not extend there--have you ever asked?	MADem	Sep 2012	#65
He can say whatever he likes.	Scootaloo	Sep 2012	#152
No winking, no nudging	oberliner	Sep 2012	#162
You're not terribly good at this.	Scootaloo	Sep 2012	#173
There's nothing to be "good at"	oberliner	Sep 2012	#175
Strange on DU to find someone	King_David	Sep 2012	#191
David, haven't I talked you you about making things up?	Scootaloo	Sep 2012	#192
Making up things ?	King_David	Sep 2012	#194
It's not my objective to make you feel inferior	Scootaloo	Sep 2012	#196
I agree completely	cpwm17	Sep 2012	#206
Very easy to accuse. Much more difficult to have an actual discussion. nt	MADem	Sep 2012	#164
Are any of their leaders being interviewed on CNN this week?	oberliner	Sep 2012	#77
perhaps the question of why these other leaders are not being interviewed on CNN	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#126
That is a good question	oberliner	Sep 2012	#176
The more isolated and threatened the regime, the worse things are for normal people, including gays.	leveymg	Sep 2012	#84
Or the normal people overthrow their repressive regimes	oberliner	Sep 2012	#87
The Iranian regime, whatever you may think of it, has a much broader base of support than any	leveymg	Sep 2012	#117
There's no way of knowing that	oberliner	Sep 2012	#140
That's been the working consensus for a long time, which is why Hillary didn't push regime change	leveymg	Sep 2012	#142
Why don't they hold a national referendum to find out?	oberliner	Sep 2012	#144
ROFL. Same reason the US didn't hold a national referendum in 1955 on adopting Communism.	leveymg	Sep 2012	#149
When would be a convenient time?	oberliner	Sep 2012	#177
Some time after the thaw.	leveymg	Sep 2012	#184
I would like to see that	Missycim	Sep 2012	#150
Lots of "no chance in Hell" events have happened recently	oberliner	Sep 2012	#178
Dont get me wrong	Missycim	Sep 2012	#180
Fair points	oberliner	Sep 2012	#182
A silly as this sounds, I think only a mass, peaceful	Missycim	Sep 2012	#183
A national referendum would be like the US changing its constitution	Ash_F	Sep 2012	#153
The Iranian constitution has only existed since 1979	oberliner	Sep 2012	#179
Actually, Iran has changed it's constitution too.	Ash_F	Sep 2012	#202
Why don't we worry about our OWN human rights record first, Zippy?	self-realized sadge	Sep 2012	#106
I think it's possible to do both	oberliner	Sep 2012	#112
I , for sure, don't like his views on LGBT people	irisblue	Sep 2012	#6
Probably due to some recent posts	oberliner	Sep 2012	#9
This message was self-deleted by its author	darkangel218	Sep 2012	#10
"He's not concerned so much with the LGBT rights"	oberliner	Sep 2012	#30
This message was self-deleted by its author	Scootaloo	Sep 2012	#38
Well said--I love the Iranian people, I just don't think much of their unfortunate dictatorship. nt	MADem	Sep 2012	#59
So critical you constantly post far right-wing spin?	Ash_F	Sep 2012	#133
"The Ayatollah is appointed by an assembly that is directly voted on."	oberliner	Sep 2012	#134
I know it is painful to accept	Ash_F	Sep 2012	#137
The Iranian people did not vote for the Supreme Leader	oberliner	Sep 2012	#143
First of all, I challenge you to disprove anything in post #133	Ash_F	Sep 2012	#147
It's very easily done	oberliner	Sep 2012	#181
It was a presidential election /nt	Ash_F	Sep 2012	#203
So we should ignore LGBT rights	King_David	Sep 2012	#53
WTF??? "Imo, preventing another unecessery war is more important than lgbt rights in Iran."	MADem	Sep 2012	#58
That was an amazing statement. I had to read it three times to make sure I wasn't...	Bad_Ronald	Sep 2012	#141
It stunned me, too. nt	MADem	Sep 2012	#188
Oberliner posts a lot on the I/P forum; that's why many of his posts relate to Israel	LeftishBrit	Sep 2012	#122
This message was self-deleted by its author	darkangel218	Sep 2012	#135
oberliner is not concerned so much with the LGBT rights?	Dr. Strange	Sep 2012	#130
both are important thank you. n/t	hrmjustin	Sep 2012	#132
"Imo, preventing another unecessery war is more important than lgbt rights in Iran"	Bad_Ronald	Sep 2012	#139
I notice the anti-Iran hold has been strong here lately	SaltyBro	Sep 2012	#11
No	zellie	Sep 2012	#17
Would you be willing to go to war	SaltyBro	Sep 2012	#24
Criticism of Iran's government does not equate support for going to war	oberliner	Sep 2012	#31
I notice that a lot of people can't read contextually at all.	MADem	Sep 2012	#60
This post was hidden by jury decision.	Tunkamerica	Sep 2012	#20
I think he likes the Drums of War	bahrbearian	Sep 2012	#26
I am completely opposed to war	oberliner	Sep 2012	#32
They are not like us.	fun n serious	Sep 2012	#37
That's the best you have? Don't criticize them because they're not like us?	onenote	Sep 2012	#42
What?	fun n serious	Sep 2012	#56
I love Iran, myself--lived there for many years.	MADem	Sep 2012	#52
I think it's an okay country (landscape/cities) with shitty ass stupid fundie government	snooper2	Sep 2012	#85
No one to the left of Attila the Hun likes the Iranian government	LeftishBrit	Sep 2012	#119
Time for some non hypocrisy	zellie	Sep 2012	#5
So what is your solution?	SaltyBro	Sep 2012	#12
Don't have one yet...	zellie	Sep 2012	#15
So being anti-war is now called "Paulian"?	SaltyBro	Sep 2012	#16
Good post	zellie	Sep 2012	#21
How many mad men are in the world?	SaltyBro	Sep 2012	#23
Great post	zellie	Sep 2012	#25
Wow.	SaltyBro	Sep 2012	#27
At least two.	JoeyT	Sep 2012	#123
What is a 'Paulinian' and to whom are you referring?	sabrina 1	Sep 2012	#157
you can denounce	sabbat hunter	Sep 2012	#50
The Past , Like the Drum Beats of War with Iraq ?	bahrbearian	Sep 2012	#28
Hypocrisy?	ikl	Sep 2012	#47
That is false, she said IF Iran nuked another nation, we'd respond without quarter.	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2012	#64
What would she do if Israel Nuked Iran ? Israel does have Nukes.	bahrbearian	Sep 2012	#76
Do you have a quote from her? I don't. The other poster was lying about what she	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2012	#79
I have your quote "she said IF Iran nuked another nation, we'd respond without quarter"	bahrbearian	Sep 2012	#83
I don't know, dear, I'm not talking about Israel as you want to for some reason	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2012	#91
Ok Cup Cake ,, Hypocrisy is OK?	bahrbearian	Sep 2012	#94
My only point is that the other poster was making a false statement.	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2012	#101
blasphemy! shall we riot and kill innocent people over this? nt	msongs	Sep 2012	#14
Inciting violence	oberliner	Sep 2012	#33
IF homosexuals were ignorant bigots than, yes.	fun n serious	Sep 2012	#61
GLBT activists are aware of the international nature of our struggle.	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2012	#67
What do you suggest?	fun n serious	Sep 2012	#69
Start with specifics. If you condemn 'most' of the anti gay rhetoric, which parts do	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2012	#75
I condemn all anti- gay rhetoric.	fun n serious	Sep 2012	#80
Ah, so you still refuse to specify which parts of their rhetoric you agree with. Got it.	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2012	#92
My silence is loud and specific?	fun n serious	Sep 2012	#96
So again	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2012	#104
Thats ok by me	fun n serious	Sep 2012	#109
Hate should never be fueled like this.	darkangel218	Sep 2012	#18
Who is flinging the "hate" here? A guy named MAHMOUD, that's who.	MADem	Sep 2012	#62
In the 30s	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#98
If 'some' get their wish and Iran is attacked,	polly7	Sep 2012	#19
Shhh!!!!	SaltyBro	Sep 2012	#29
No, I'd really appreciate an answer.	polly7	Sep 2012	#34
I support those who oppose anti-homosexual bigots	oberliner	Sep 2012	#49
Of course people are disgusted by any bigoted remarks by any leader,	polly7	Sep 2012	#54
Countries should not be invaded just because their leaders are bigots	oberliner	Sep 2012	#74
The same 'leader' said much of the same stuff last time he came to the UN	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2012	#78
Fail. The Americans pounding the war drum hold the same bigoted, anti- values as the Iranian leader.	Viking12	Sep 2012	#171
Many of us weren't born yesterday	cpwm17	Sep 2012	#207
The American hawks want to invade Iran because its government persecutes gays?	LeftishBrit	Sep 2012	#189
Is your answer	leftynyc	Sep 2012	#39
Iran should not be attacked	oberliner	Sep 2012	#44
Who is arguing we go to war with Iran to free their gays?	4th law of robotics	Sep 2012	#99
Who is this "some" who is advocating attacking Iran?	ButterflyBlood	Sep 2012	#187
I watched last night	fun n serious	Sep 2012	#36
"Frankly most if not all Muslims, Christians and Jews are against Homosexuality"	oberliner	Sep 2012	#45
Who supports Gays	ikl	Sep 2012	#51
Yes.	fun n serious	Sep 2012	#57
Right - but isn't the degree of secularism different in different faiths?	oberliner	Sep 2012	#73
Hard to know.	fun n serious	Sep 2012	#82
Yes, I agree	oberliner	Sep 2012	#88
well I have never heard anyone refer to themselves as an atheist Catholic	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#131
I have	oberliner	Sep 2012	#138
well "lapsed and /or recovering" can have a very differnt meaning from atheist	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#158
Buddhism isn't a religion in a typical sense	fujiyama	Sep 2012	#204
Buddhism is different in many respects	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#205
Do they have secular laws? Then they are secular...	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2012	#93
You could look at the various referenda in this country.	Comrade Grumpy	Sep 2012	#151
That's About The Silliest Assertion I Have Ever Seen On DU	DemocratSinceBirth	Sep 2012	#116
What Rubbish !	King_David	Sep 2012	#201
Your point being???	mikki35	Sep 2012	#40
International leaders ought to be condemned for making remarks like this	oberliner	Sep 2012	#46
This was a televized interview, on CNN with Piers Morgan.	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2012	#90
Your point being??????	mikki35	Sep 2012	#190
Anyone Consider	oldsarge54	Sep 2012	#41
Yes - and he ought to be rhetorically savaged as brutally as far RW Republicans	oberliner	Sep 2012	#48
Religious fundamentalists do sound a lot alike even when they hate each other as enemies.	pampango	Sep 2012	#70
ah yes	oldsarge54	Sep 2012	#154
All authoritarian extremists sound like that, regardless of where they are politically	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#71
Sad to say	oldsarge54	Sep 2012	#155
My statement was simply hyperbole	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#163
Tell me again why right-wing Christen's	Pakid	Sep 2012	#63
Who is Christen?	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#68
I used to date Christen, but she didn't seem too political.	Throd	Sep 2012	#105
The one I dated spelled it Kristin, and she was a Byzantine Catholic	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#114
Well, he seems to be a rather unpleasant fellow	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#66
Fuck him. And fuck anyone who defends him. (nt)	Nye Bevan	Sep 2012	#72
I'll second that, loudly.	Bluenorthwest	Sep 2012	#86
No one is defending him.	ronnie624	Sep 2012	#97
He decided to appear on CNN and do an interview	oberliner	Sep 2012	#115
I don't see how any of that is relevant.	ronnie624	Sep 2012	#124
OK	oberliner	Sep 2012	#136
This. Exactly this.	Socal31	Sep 2012	#100
yes indeed things have changed	azurnoir	Sep 2012	#129
+1	Dr. Strange	Sep 2012	#108
+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000	Bad_Ronald	Sep 2012	#121
With a telephone pole	Shitty Mitty	Sep 2012	#193
+1	King_David	Sep 2012	#195
Does it seem to anyone else he subscribes to the choice paradigm	closeupready	Sep 2012	#81
I don't know what he really thinks, but he's pandering to the Sin Paradigm	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#89
Good point.	closeupready	Sep 2012	#103
I have read that homosexuality is prevalent in Islamic countries, especially among young males.	olegramps	Sep 2012	#95
Back in the 1980s I had a job with several gay male co-workers who had worked for EDS in Iran...	slackmaster	Sep 2012	#113
Absolutely! nt	fun n serious	Sep 2012	#148
"if a group recognizes an ugly behavior or ugly deed as legitimate...	Throd	Sep 2012	#102
So he holds the same position as most Republicans.	Cali_Democrat	Sep 2012	#107
Yep.	Dr. Strange	Sep 2012	#110
Fuck Ahmadinejad and fuck all bigots.	NYC Liberal	Sep 2012	#111
I love the Iranian people, can't stand there leadership	wutang77	Sep 2012	#118
"Their" not "there"	Pterodactyl	Sep 2012	#166
Grammar Mullah	wutang77	Sep 2012	#170
I prefer grammar czar.	Pterodactyl	Sep 2012	#172
Tell me again why condemning this man's homophobia & bigotry is tantamount to advocating war with...	Bad_Ronald	Sep 2012	#120
Really Bad Manners.	elbloggoZY27	Sep 2012	#125
The band who Rocked The Ayatollahs with Pink Floyd, Now Take On Romney With Simon and Garfunkel	BVM	Sep 2012	#127
He's just like the religious right in the U.S., except he is not constrained by the Consitution.	SunSeeker	Sep 2012	#128
Any other world leader makes these comments - and the reaction would be condemnation	oberliner	Sep 2012	#145
This message was self-deleted by its author	darkangel218	Sep 2012	#146
I was baffled by how this thread played out.	Union Scribe	Sep 2012	#159
Ryan agrees.	sarcasmo	Sep 2012	#156
you should have a war with Iran all by yourself	fascisthunter	Sep 2012	#160
I oppose war with Iran	oberliner	Sep 2012	#161
The government of Iran sucks.	Pterodactyl	Sep 2012	#167
Kind of like Ryan	Politicub	Sep 2012	#168
eye roll	sakabatou	Sep 2012	#169
Sad.	I love weed	Sep 2012	#185
Did I somehow miss the bit in this thread that calls for bombing or invading Iran?	ButterflyBlood	Sep 2012	#186
He's a nasty piece of work	fujiyama	Sep 2012	#197
Thanks	oberliner	Sep 2012	#198
If a leader of US/France/Canada/Germany/UK/Japan/ETC said this in an interview, it would	octothorpe	Sep 2012	#199
sigh	Marrah_G	Sep 2012	#200

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