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53. Not really, if the condom is removed before ejaculation.

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Sun Sep 16, 2012, 10:43 AM

Sep 2012

No DNA to test, unless a stray skin cell can be found.

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Condom used as evidence in Assange sex case 'does not contain his DNA' [View all] dipsydoodle Sep 2012 OP

du rec. Nt xchrom Sep 2012 #1

That is going to upset some people around here. hobbit709 Sep 2012 #2

Some people will struggle with it. grantcart Sep 2012 #3

Yes, even though this evidence represents progress in the case. Occulus Sep 2012 #48

4 shame! frylock Sep 2012 #100

omg, lol! nt laundry_queen Sep 2012 #272

LOL! Cleita Sep 2012 #127

Woohoo! A 3 post tandem Duzy!!! Zorra Sep 2012 #284

Not at all. I actually think this signals Julian knows he's back msanthrope Sep 2012 #54

How can they rule out his DNA on a condom and "think" it's on another if they dont have his rhett o rick Sep 2012 #174

They can't. Which is why what the lawyer is saying sounds like bullshit. msanthrope Sep 2012 #260

Sounds like a witchhunt. nm rhett o rick Sep 2012 #298

No--it sounds like simple logic--you can't conclusively match anyone before you msanthrope Sep 2012 #320

I am trying to agree with you. nm rhett o rick Sep 2012 #321

I think that is almost impossible reorg Sep 2012 #326

The subheadline will upset some people, too. pnwmom Sep 2012 #132

Who "thinks" this? Either it's been tested or not. And the condom that rhett o rick Sep 2012 #177

Under the Swedish justice system's procedures, they cannot charge him pnwmom Sep 2012 #215

often repeated, never supported reorg Sep 2012 #223

Except in the appeals documents of the British court. pnwmom Sep 2012 #227

please try to understand before you comment reorg Sep 2012 #233

I do understand. The legal term "charged" in Sweden doesn't mean pnwmom Sep 2012 #236

No, you don't reorg Sep 2012 #244

The US is not "anxious" to throw him into prison... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #224

I bet they are very "anxious" to get him in prison but you are probably right about rhett o rick Sep 2012 #228

The rape allegation is because the terms of consent required a condom. joshcryer Sep 2012 #254

The Daily Mail. Can't write a proper fucking headline if its life depended on it. joshcryer Sep 2012 #252

Desperate much? nt Zorra Sep 2012 #286

In denial, much? pnwmom Sep 2012 #290

Oh, please. He pissed in your beloved Miltary Industrial Complex's soup, Zorra Sep 2012 #295

+1000. polly7 Sep 2012 #300

Oh, please. He's a certifiable narcissist and he attracts hero-worshippers like flies. pnwmom Sep 2012 #301

The Assange Charges Always Seemed Manufactured To Me cantbeserious Sep 2012 #4

I shot the sheriff, but I did not shoot the deputy? originalpckelly Sep 2012 #5

What case? tama Sep 2012 #11

Oh, I don't know. They could always use the Romney tactic: "He raped me retroactively." 1monster Sep 2012 #69

You must understand. zeemike Sep 2012 #74

Ahhhh; greiner3 Sep 2012 #18

But was the other condom also broken? The quote from the article does not state that. JDPriestly Sep 2012 #22

Actually, still looking like he shot both... msanthrope Sep 2012 #61

Got to call you on that one (as you and other have been called on repeatedly): Assange was permitted 1monster Sep 2012 #71

He was permitted to leave and yet Sweden wants to extradite him to the U.S. randome Sep 2012 #77

It takes a modicum of imagination. The Doctor. Sep 2012 #161

Just as Assange is changing his mind now? randome Sep 2012 #168

How is he 'changing his mind'? The Doctor. Sep 2012 #178

I don't know what the absence of his DNA proves. randome Sep 2012 #180

Wow.... I would think after the enormous amount of evidence that The Doctor. Sep 2012 #196

He has super-secret BOA documents. randome Sep 2012 #202

The document dump is very serious... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #203

Well, yeah, soliders who break their oaths of service should be investigated. randome Sep 2012 #204

Australian diplomats are passing intelligence to US investigators.... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #206

There is no evidence -none- that extradition is on the table. randome Sep 2012 #210

According to a recent report by Reuters.... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #211

Well, 'divided' sort of implies there is no world-wide conspiracy to 'get' him then. randome Sep 2012 #213

When nations work together on national security matters... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #214

The only thing this is about is the legal matter in Sweden. Nothing else. randome Sep 2012 #216

In this sub-thread... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #222

IOW: The Doctor. Sep 2012 #340

of course you don't. n/t robinlynne Sep 2012 #179

Not true--his own lawyer testified to the fact that Mr. Assange left the country the msanthrope Sep 2012 #83

Perhaps you could narrow done the info you are referring to by page number? 1monster Sep 2012 #93

Here's a quote from the magistrate's findings: struggle4progress Sep 2012 #111

Kindly read my post again. More than a 'glance' this time. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #145

The case was reopened 3 weeks before he left Sweden hack89 Sep 2012 #205

Well, pretty much so. The only DNA evidence found was a tiny spot of mitochondrial DNA 1monster Sep 2012 #99

That statement by wikileaks regarding mitochondrial DNA is incorrect. msanthrope Sep 2012 #136

That statement is not by Wikileaks and you apparently didn't read it reorg Sep 2012 #159

Oh, Jeebus..Assange groupies? That explains it. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #163

not really reorg Sep 2012 #172

interesting facts. robinlynne Sep 2012 #181

Victim? malokvale77 Sep 2012 #84

The other "victim" refused to sign the interrogation report. Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #335

What does this mean? Proletariatprincess Sep 2012 #6

It means tama Sep 2012 #7

That is certainly what it looks like. robinlynne Sep 2012 #182

Everyone will decide what it means.. sendero Sep 2012 #8

Could there be unnamed evidence on it that links it to Assange...say fingerprints? HereSince1628 Sep 2012 #15

They have had the condom for a year now. robinlynne Sep 2012 #183

Yes but the link is about a defense report, might they only point to evidence that helps their case HereSince1628 Sep 2012 #232

"victim" was claiming he deliberately tore the condom magical thyme Sep 2012 #33

Well--not no DNA-- msanthrope Sep 2012 #58

Try again. No chromosomal DNA at all. Only a speck of mitochrdrial DNA which comes only 1monster Sep 2012 #103

I'm sorry--but that's from wikileaks, which is hardly neutral. Do you have any actual court msanthrope Sep 2012 #125

No it's not from Wikileaks and you still misrepresent it reorg Sep 2012 #162

It's from Assange groupies? That's somehow better? nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #165

see #172 reorg Sep 2012 #173

Doesn't mean anything really TorchTheWitch Sep 2012 #288

Wearing a condom without leaving any DNA - that's a neat trick. baldguy Sep 2012 #9

Not really, if the condom is removed before ejaculation. Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #53

That is ridiculous. JackRiddler Sep 2012 #68

Really. Ikonoklast Sep 2012 #72

Pre-ejaculate high density Sep 2012 #78

Pubic hair, skin cells, urine traces, sweat, HooptieWagon Sep 2012 #80

But it is so. JackRiddler Sep 2012 #176

What would an unused condom represent? nothing. robinlynne Sep 2012 #184

Uhhhh; greiner3 Sep 2012 #220

ewwwwww.......... KoKo Sep 2012 #10

Exactly. Something is rotten in Denmark. wilsonbooks Sep 2012 #30

No, no, no. Sweden, not Denmark. Something is rotten in Sweden! 1monster Sep 2012 #73

I wouldn't buy it on Intrade. aquart Sep 2012 #102

Kind of reminds me of the semen stained dress. malokvale77 Sep 2012 #87

for 12 days..... There is only one woman I know of who kept a blue dress. robinlynne Sep 2012 #186

how did these women end up with the use condom in both rapes? Heather MC Sep 2012 #12

This is, of course, a comment from Assange's lawyers, and we should not expect struggle4progress Sep 2012 #13

Unless, as Assange contends, this is a set up MannyGoldstein Sep 2012 #19

No: regardless of any of your theorizing, it's merely a claim from Assange's lawyers, and struggle4progress Sep 2012 #32

Not only that, but of course no conclusive matching can happen until Assange gives a DNA msanthrope Sep 2012 #59

" it is entirely inappropriate to attempt to try such a case in on a public bulletin board" Bluenorthwest Sep 2012 #21

"Someone" has a pager with a keyword search as near as I can tell.... Pholus Sep 2012 #26

There is a name for that program. I can't remember. Sorry.... truth2power Sep 2012 #34

I have never taken any stand on Assange's guilt or innocence with regard to the Swedish accusations struggle4progress Sep 2012 #31

Yes you have. You've been trying to convince everyone of his guilt on every thread. Alexander Sep 2012 #70

Provide a link showing I said he was guilty of the Swedish accusations. Or apologize. struggle4progress Sep 2012 #107

You couldn't find the requested link, could you? That's cuz it doesn't exist. struggle4progress Sep 2012 #312

A comment taken from the Police report. nt. druidity33 Sep 2012 #35

You are assuming that prosecutors don't break rules and turn wreckless for their own success... GetRidOfThem Sep 2012 #36

I'm not assuming anything about the prosecutors: if they have a weak case and overreach, struggle4progress Sep 2012 #43

you just pegged my irony meter! frylock Sep 2012 #101

I've always taken the PoV that the Swedish allegations should be handled by the Swedish system struggle4progress Sep 2012 #109

you have a POV that is obvious to anyone paying attention frylock Sep 2012 #297

No, this comes from SKL, Sweden's national forensic laboratory. 1monster Sep 2012 #110

"Lawyers for WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange have revealed ... " etc etc. "The report, which has struggle4progress Sep 2012 #113

Not on the links I provided... The links I provided included the Swedish lab reports. 1monster Sep 2012 #119

Not buying it -- cuz Wikileaks has a history of forgery. He can go clear it up in Sweden struggle4progress Sep 2012 #135

you continue to betray your bias frylock Sep 2012 #299

WikiLeaks claims responsibility for fake Bill Keller column ... struggle4progress Sep 2012 #304

dipsydoodle Diclotican Sep 2012 #14

"He deliberately ripped a condom so he could have unprotected sex with her." mainer Sep 2012 #16

The idea being he wants these women to have babies for him. Festivito Sep 2012 #25

But they can't conclusively match or not match his DNA until they have a sample, msanthrope Sep 2012 #64

Please provide a link that backs up your statement that he fled the day before he 1monster Sep 2012 #79

Testimony from his lawyer, Mr. Hurtig, pages 5, 6, and 7, in the msanthrope Sep 2012 #88

Answered this one before. At least provide a page number. 1monster Sep 2012 #94

Revelant paragraph from your link does not support your conclusions: 1monster Sep 2012 #115

Isn't it funny how they do that? ronnie624 Sep 2012 #121

Uh huh. Which is why I asked for specific pages on his 28 page link. S/He gave me three pages and 1monster Sep 2012 #123

No--I expected that you would read the direct and cross of the witness. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #147

pbfft! you're just jealous that i actually give links that support my arguments struggle4progress Sep 2012 #170

Your nose has been rubbed in your deposits in these threads, repeatedly. ronnie624 Sep 2012 #283

There's not a link from you anywhere in the thread yet. I've provided various links struggle4progress Sep 2012 #294

There are only a certain number of available facts. ronnie624 Sep 2012 #303

There's not a link from you anywhere in the thread yet. I've provided various links struggle4progress Sep 2012 #306

Yes, you've posted lots of links, ronnie624 Sep 2012 #308

yep. robinlynne Sep 2012 #189

YOu need to read more than one paragraph--like where he's caught lying-- msanthrope Sep 2012 #124

I read the three pages you said supported your conclusions. They don't support your 1monster Sep 2012 #133

Upthread, you make the claim that mitochondria only exist in our hair and fingernails. msanthrope Sep 2012 #139

no s/he didn't n/t reorg Sep 2012 #160

Check out #103. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #164

check out #99 and #162 and apologize n/t reorg Sep 2012 #169

Nice gossip link from the Daily Mail, citing snark from unnamed sources. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2012 #96

DUDE!! The OP is from the DAILY MAIL, too! Citing unamed sources. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #128

I'm sure hundreds of women would love to have babies with him. So the allegation is that he wanted t robinlynne Sep 2012 #187

Seems ridiculous to me too. Live and Learn Sep 2012 #158

I know. how often do really intellegent, really rich men run around trying to get women pregnant? robinlynne Sep 2012 #190

--- don't let facts get in the way of a prosecution. jerseyjack Sep 2012 #17

And the Farce Goes ON Demeter Sep 2012 #20

I doubt Orwell is rolling - TBF Sep 2012 #28

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Why do people keep blaming the US for Swedish allegations? George II Sep 2012 #38

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The UK could have extradited him treestar Sep 2012 #66

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No, the UK could have extradited him treestar Sep 2012 #112

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Beyone belief! George II Sep 2012 #292

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Why should they? George II Sep 2012 #323

Oh, right! That's why he skipped Sweden while the authorities were talking to his lawyer to arrange struggle4progress Sep 2012 #305

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You're spouting nonsense. ronnie624 Sep 2012 #316

Because some want badly to believe in heroes. randome Sep 2012 #41

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WHAT?? George II Sep 2012 #269

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But Bill Clinton was an AMERICAN living in AMERICA... George II Sep 2012 #291

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So... George II Sep 2012 #314

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Ah, so now it's NOT the US, it's the Republican Party that wants him? George II Sep 2012 #324

The point is... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #325

Is there any viable PROOF that the US is behind it, or is this just paranoid theory? George II Sep 2012 #327

US is behind what exactly? AntiFascist Sep 2012 #328

That's an investigation into US-Australian intelligence exchanges, not rape in Sweden George II Sep 2012 #333

Wrong, it's an investigation of Assange's alleged wrongdoing against the US... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #337

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So? George II Sep 2012 #330

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Again with the "ignorant"? George II Sep 2012 #334

because of Bradley Manning. because of the national embarrassment. duh. robinlynne Sep 2012 #191

So the US Government go the Swedish Government to accuse him of rape? George II Sep 2012 #271

It appears the US will have to come up with other charges... KansDem Sep 2012 #24

The last time I checked the news reports.......... George II Sep 2012 #42

Do you really think this is only about rape allegations? KansDem Sep 2012 #45

Interesting...you mention Equador and the UK, not the US.. George II Sep 2012 #55

"No, Iraq was not behind September 11..." KansDem Sep 2012 #166

of course treestar Sep 2012 #219

yes, conspiracy theory.. frylock Sep 2012 #104

"Conspiracy theory?"!?!?!?!? FiveGoodMen Sep 2012 #322

Well I'll be. *sarcasm* nt TBF Sep 2012 #27

Wow, that is one clever dude. n/t 2on2u Sep 2012 #29

Did it contain any DNA? George II Sep 2012 #37

Your comments make it clear you know next to nothing about this. ronnie624 Sep 2012 #52

I have read about it, but why don't you enlighten me instead of insulting me? George II Sep 2012 #56

Your use of the 'conspiracy theory' meme doesn't make any sense ronnie624 Sep 2012 #76

Ah, I see.... George II Sep 2012 #97

Sweden is a highly subordinate client state, and close ally to the U.S. government. ronnie624 Sep 2012 #118

Why is it that when confronted with reality some here resort to insults? George II Sep 2012 #293

Why is it that some here scrupulously avoid discussing the topic? n/t ronnie624 Sep 2012 #296

The topic was being discussed.... George II Sep 2012 #315

And there is an example of what it's like to cross a 'true believer'. randome Sep 2012 #57

Yes, beware my wrath. ronnie624 Sep 2012 #91

Hey! No electricity! randome Sep 2012 #92

Good. Now I expect the anti-Assange threads to cease. Comrade_McKenzie Sep 2012 #39

You forgot the sarcasm thingie. n/t truth2power Sep 2012 #47

If he's obviously innocent, why not go to Sweden and clear this up? struggle4progress Sep 2012 #49

Because the evidence clears it up for him, therefore not requiring his traveling to another country? Occulus Sep 2012 #50

That is not how the legal system works treestar Sep 2012 #65

He's lost twice in Swedish court and four times, over a year and a half, in UK court struggle4progress Sep 2012 #138

His destiny is a dungeon in the United States. ronnie624 Sep 2012 #285

It's too bad if Assange has psychotic delusions, but the rest of us are not obliged to believe them struggle4progress Sep 2012 #307

Are you a psychiatrist who can diagnose from a distance? ronnie624 Sep 2012 #310

"If Assange has psychotic delusions, then the rest of us are not obliged to believe them" struggle4progress Sep 2012 #311

I'm *trying* to understand. ronnie624 Sep 2012 #313

third base frylock Sep 2012 #106

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His lawyers had their chance to argue that in court -- but they decided it was too crackpot struggle4progress Sep 2012 #141

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Actually, one of Assange's own witnesses told the court that onward-extradition was not possible struggle4progress Sep 2012 #148

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Res judicata. Let him go on to Sweden and settle matters there. struggle4progress Sep 2012 #151

what is your problem? robinlynne Sep 2012 #194

He's lost twice in Swedish court and four times, over a year and a half, in UK court struggle4progress Sep 2012 #197

Why do you think he has so many supporters? robinlynne Sep 2012 #245

Population of London: 8+ million. Number of Londoners who turned out for Assange's balcony speech: struggle4progress Sep 2012 #250

You really spend a lot of time disliking Julian Assange. Do you know him personally? robinlynne Sep 2012 #251

says you. robinlynne Sep 2012 #193

"... There was at one stage a suggestion that Mr Assange could be extradited to the USA struggle4progress Sep 2012 #195

or they didn't argue it because there is no case, hence no need. Did you know thaqt both women bragg robinlynne Sep 2012 #243

If there's no good case against him in Sweden, he'll be quickly cleared to go his merry way struggle4progress Sep 2012 #275

really? Is that a fact? robinlynne Sep 2012 #279

... The Swedish court system is characterized by foreseeability, fairness, humanism struggle4progress Sep 2012 #309

because of what happened to Bradley Manning! robinlynne Sep 2012 #192

There's still another case! treestar Sep 2012 #67

Bradley Manning was tortured. The good that julian did for the entire world is huge. It really robinlynne Sep 2012 #198

"... David Coombs, a lawyer for Pfc. Bradley Manning, ... said Manning was confined in such a way struggle4progress Sep 2012 #207

BTW, the accusations are not "the condom broke." One of the accusations is rape struggle4progress Sep 2012 #208

No there is not a rape accusation. there is a sexual misconduct accusation, and robinlynne Sep 2012 #237

... The position with offence 4 is different. This is an allegation of rape. The framework list struggle4progress Sep 2012 #246

There was no rape period. That woman bragged in writing about the event, and subsequently had sex robinlynne Sep 2012 #248

I expect the Swedish justice system can sort it out better than we can struggle4progress Sep 2012 #273

obviously not. robinlynne Sep 2012 #280

Why did she go back and sleep with him again several nights later if there was a problem? robinlynne Sep 2012 #249

That did not happen. joshcryer Sep 2012 #255

Wait, what? Where did that come from? Robb Sep 2012 #265

I dont have a link, but read it many many times. robinlynne Sep 2012 #266

I expect the Swedish justice system can sort it out better than we can struggle4progress Sep 2012 #274

There's more to the cases than that treestar Sep 2012 #217

Actually there is not more than that. Both women put in wriitng how happy they were that they had se robinlynne Sep 2012 #247

never has anybody been charged for not wearing a condom reorg Sep 2012 #225

espeically when you find out that the second woman subsequently went back to see him and had sex aga robinlynne Sep 2012 #238

So whose DNA is it? This could turn into a real soap opera... nt bananas Sep 2012 #44

What makes the most sense to me is that this was never about sex at all... truth2power Sep 2012 #46

So no DNA on one condom (Ms. A) But DNA on another condom (Ms. W) and both torn? msanthrope Sep 2012 #51

The article doesn't say both condoms were torn. ronnie624 Sep 2012 #60

Well, I hardly expect the defense to admit to that. We will have to wait until Assange gives a DNA msanthrope Sep 2012 #62

Great. So go back to Sweden and get that case dismissed. treestar Sep 2012 #63

He will never go back willingly---his DNA sample will be taken and msanthrope Sep 2012 #75

He should donate to a sperm bank! treestar Sep 2012 #82

I sincerely doubt he's supporting four children. But I bet Sweden has interviewed the msanthrope Sep 2012 #90

This article is nothing more than gossip. Let's hear from the mothers of these alledged children. 1monster Sep 2012 #85

That article is from the same source as the OP. nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #89

And so? Still extraneous and pejorative with no evidentual value. 1monster Sep 2012 #95

But you want to hear from the mothers, as your post upthread msanthrope Sep 2012 #129

Sorry. I forgot the "sarcasm" tag. No. Even were it true, it's not my business nor yours. 1monster Sep 2012 #131

Do you have no shame? nt tama Sep 2012 #134

Jesus Christ! You keep posting this snarky, largely unsourced gossip... Comrade Grumpy Sep 2012 #98

You realize I am using the SAME SOURCE as the OP, right? msanthrope Sep 2012 #126

If the condom isn't split, you must acquit... Kalidurga Sep 2012 #81

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What if he is masturbating, I might end up on the ceiling. lol nt. Kalidurga Sep 2012 #156

omg. robinlynne Sep 2012 #200

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Doesn't Assange have at least 1 son and 1 daughter? randome Sep 2012 #86

Do you have children? tama Sep 2012 #137

And why couldn't he be a father to them? randome Sep 2012 #154

At least 4 kids by different mothers, according to the OP's source. msanthrope Sep 2012 #140

I have an uncle just like this. randome Sep 2012 #153

Someone with that avatar should be much less judgmental.. girl gone mad Sep 2012 #201

i think having too many children actually is bad for the planet. robinlynne Sep 2012 #239

Well, his every sperm is sacred.... msanthrope Sep 2012 #264

Gross. slackmaster Sep 2012 #105

Subheadline: "But its thought another condom, submitted by the second alleged victim, does" pnwmom Sep 2012 #130

Oh--even better--the Daily Mail is now an approved source for Assange info. msanthrope Sep 2012 #144

I don't think that tabloid is a good source for anything. pnwmom Sep 2012 #146

True. But if his supporters think it's a credible source, I'm willing to explore msanthrope Sep 2012 #157

Why is that news? girl gone mad Sep 2012 #150

It's not news. It's a single element of the case. n/t pnwmom Sep 2012 #226

Now this is an interesting twist. nt cstanleytech Sep 2012 #143

This has been known since at least February 2011 muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #152

exactly, so why would the DM bring it up now? reorg Sep 2012 #167

I imagine the Mail wanted something to print muriel_volestrangler Sep 2012 #171

The "magic condom" jberryhill Sep 2012 #155

So he was trying to forcibly impregnate those women with someone else's DNA? 4th law of robotics Sep 2012 #175

Strong case, weak case, doesn't matter. Assange has imprisoned himself. Dems to Win Sep 2012 #185

This has been debated numerous times elsewhere.... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #199

Thanks for the reply, yet I remain unconvinced Dems to Win Sep 2012 #234

Another point to make... AntiFascist Sep 2012 #257

I believe Australia confirmed the US intent already. robinlynne Sep 2012 #240

There are far too many assumptions in your post with nothing to support them. ronnie624 Sep 2012 #331

The UK extradition treaty also has provisions for 'temporary surrender' Dems to Win Sep 2012 #336

Sweden can transfer custody without extradition proceedings. ronnie624 Sep 2012 #338

Thanks for the link, but I am internet-challenged and can't watch videos (no hi speed connection Dems to Win Sep 2012 #339

well, did they at least find antiAssange DNA instead? fascisthunter Sep 2012 #188

up next Assange is identified as the guy in the rain coat on the grassy knoll. grantcart Sep 2012 #209

''If the DNA don't fit..... DeSwiss Sep 2012 #212

Classic Spycraft "Honey Pot" Operation Begins to Unravel. NoodleyAppendage Sep 2012 #218

It's too bad if Assange has psychotic delusions, but the rest of us are not obliged to believe them struggle4progress Sep 2012 #221

No. If this was a CIA op from the beginning, it would be a strong rape case. Good evidence, etc Dems to Win Sep 2012 #230

Wasn't one of his accusers a former NGO worker with organizational ties to the CIA? NoodleyAppendage Sep 2012 #231

She definitely knew what she was doing reorg Sep 2012 #235

Everybody read the link posted by noodley! Both women boasted in writing after sex with Assange. On robinlynne Sep 2012 #242

If either woman was concocting a rape trap, they would have acted like a 'legitimate rape' victim Dems to Win Sep 2012 #263

If you know anything about how the CIA sets rape traps reorg Sep 2012 #341

I would think the CIA would do a better job too. robinlynne Sep 2012 #241

This is what sabrina's been saying from the beginning! But this info was disappeared online riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #253

Assange's lawyers admitted Assange penetrated her without a condom. joshcryer Sep 2012 #256

But producing a condom with his DNA in it, weakens her case severely, if not entirely. riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #259

As is the case with very many rape cases. joshcryer Sep 2012 #261

Well, it demonstrates he was willing to use a condom. riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #262

Both women are pursuing charges. I'm not sure where you get that. joshcryer Sep 2012 #267

I haven't seen anything that demonstrates the women themselves are pursuing charges riderinthestorm Sep 2012 #268

That is incorrect. They are pursuing the charges themselves. joshcryer Sep 2012 #277

there is no such thing as "the terms of consent" in the Swedish rape law reorg Sep 2012 #276

The terms of consent are the only thing that gives consent. joshcryer Sep 2012 #278

I don't like this guy reorg Sep 2012 #281

"against a person's will" and... joshcryer Sep 2012 #282

Regarding whose condom is what, I believe it's the other way round reorg Sep 2012 #270

What? False charges are brought agaist someone who exposed rachel1 Sep 2012 #258

I don't see that it changes anything. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the story was that Mr. Assange... freshwest Sep 2012 #287