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freshwest

(53,661 posts)
97. Sweden + UK > Ecaudor Embassy + Assange does not = Movie + Mob > USA Embassy.
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 09:15 PM
Sep 2012

There is no equivalency here. A mob does not ask permission and is largely unidenified as they act. The parties involved are not equal in power, or they would not be rioting.

Everything going on in London is being hyped in the news since the UK and the USA are still *superpowers* and are arguing with a smaller but still impressive power, a *nation.* Ecaudor is standing on a point of law. That narrow point is being respected, despite all claims otherwise, or this matter would have been resolved in a violent way some weeks ago.

Mobs do not rise up from a position of power or they would not use their crude methods. Those with power don't riot, they have bombers, tanks, missiles and other high tech weaponry that will take out any mob. This is not the same thing. There is a reason that people in Libya are pleading for forgiveness. The world knows what a *superpower* can do to them. They are justly concerned.

I don't think Assange is in control of Wikileaks. I don't think Wikileaks is in control of who is posting what is said on Twitter or most of what they distribute at all.

I do think Twitter is in the hands of TPTB and nothing is private. That these shows of outrage are all manufactured and the information is already in the hands of the operators of Twitter who will giggle as they turn the information over to whatever government wants it, when presented with enough paper to calm the masses down.

Most communication is wireless, and it is a utopian view that this is protected by law, when the technology is there to pick it up and record it and can be used and abused by all of the corporations, governments and individuals, by hackers for political purposes, theft by criminals, etc. It's in the air, it belongs to no one and everyone.

So we have another media story to generate arguments about something we have no control over, but sure as hell wish and pray we did. Wishing and praying won't change the ownership or operation of these systems.

We use them at the sufferance of the plutocrats who own social networking systems. It is offered 'free' to mine data and make profit. They are not there for altruistic, freedom of speech and thought reasons.

Those who use these networks not protected by the First Amendment, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights or a privacy law.

First, all users volunteered and gave permission to join. Second, the owners of the technology and businesses don't let any kind of law or regulation get in their way. All fines are taken into account as a cost of doing business.

We are entering into a technocracy we have empowered, and it has nothing to do with privacy or civil rights. This is just a diversion. I might change my mind tomorrow. Sorry if that offends, but I don't think this is legitimate.


Did he just join the Republican party? gateley Sep 2012 #1
Unfortunately, it isn't a stretch. JDPriestly Sep 2012 #8
Very well stated. dixiegrrrrl Sep 2012 #29
You know, you're right. And after reading your post, I agree. gateley Sep 2012 #32
You seem to have lost sight of the entire charade. randome Sep 2012 #33
Uh....... Wild Thing Sep 2012 #36
well, that is one point of view mitchtv Sep 2012 #49
"His work for Wikileaks has nothing to do with that." Yeah, sure. Comrade Grumpy Sep 2012 #57
If the women's claims are true, he's a rapist, not a boorish lover. pnwmom Sep 2012 #79
So the entire Military Industrial Complex goes after an alleged rapist. navarth Sep 2012 #103
Where is this MIC you speak of? randome Sep 2012 #106
Do you need to see warships as proof? navarth Sep 2012 #110
What he and Wikileaks proved to us all is that... randome Sep 2012 #111
I think the terminology 'conspiracy theory' is navarth Sep 2012 #112
Speaking only for myself, I find the subject fascinating. randome Sep 2012 #114
No, just the Swedish justice system. n/t pnwmom Sep 2012 #107
and you know this absolutely? navarth Sep 2012 #113
I know it just as absolutely as you "know" pnwmom Sep 2012 #116
okay then, in other words, navarth Sep 2012 #119
I don't put Obama and Bush in the same category of trustworthiness. pnwmom Sep 2012 #123
+1000. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2012 #38
Post removed Post removed Sep 2012 #83
This post was alerted on! Tick Tock! ohiosmith Sep 2012 #93
What a mzmolly Sep 2012 #2
Sorry. Socal31 Sep 2012 #3
Good point. Dems to Win Sep 2012 #75
Jumped...the...shark n/t orwell Sep 2012 #4
Short simple and to the point. Agreed. Love your user name -- when I sign up for a grocery store Dems to Win Sep 2012 #72
oh ffs, not this shit again. Joe Shlabotnik Sep 2012 #5
A big ditto to your post Joe! SoapBox Sep 2012 #6
I've been cautious in my judgment of Assange davidthegnome Sep 2012 #7
I disagree. He is just pointing out that the US should do unto others as it would have others JDPriestly Sep 2012 #9
I agree with the idea of a universal code davidthegnome Sep 2012 #12
EXACTLY!!! SkyDaddy7 Sep 2012 #31
Good response, indeed. I support universal principles, but I have no respect for Assange Dems to Win Sep 2012 #74
an intelligent repsonse. Swagman Sep 2012 #18
Sigh. The headline is dishonest. We don't know that Assange wrote that tweet. Also, it was retracted Hissyspit Sep 2012 #14
... the official WikiLeaks Twitter feed ... is generally presumed to be operated by Assange ... struggle4progress Sep 2012 #53
I posted that. Duh. Hissyspit Sep 2012 #104
There's good reason to presume Assange controls the Twitter feed: struggle4progress Sep 2012 #105
Yes, the best journalism is presumption-based, not fact-based. Hissyspit Sep 2012 #125
I WISH he was irrelevant. He still gets media coverage and DU threads. I'm tired of the creep, too Dems to Win Sep 2012 #71
A narcissist is exactly what he is. Everything's always about HIM. pnwmom Sep 2012 #78
. mzmolly Sep 2012 #90
This guy was a hero of sorts to many not that long ago, but he seems to be losing supporters octothorpe Sep 2012 #124
I like this man less and less every time he opens his mouth. DeltaLitProf Sep 2012 #10
That's all the easier when the yellow press... JackRiddler Sep 2012 #16
I hope you blame those who published them as well in that case Swagman Sep 2012 #19
Indian Express? Say no more! longship Sep 2012 #11
A nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat. nt awoke_in_2003 Sep 2012 #39
Well, here are some other sources: struggle4progress Sep 2012 #48
Hmmm, didn't I see pretty much this same post in GD... ljm2002 Sep 2012 #13
Jury voted to hide it tama Sep 2012 #15
Nice try, but I posted this here in LBN before the jury hid my other OP struggle4progress Sep 2012 #37
Yes, on second thought you must have tama Sep 2012 #40
Assangists support Assange on free speech grounds -- then censor his critics struggle4progress Sep 2012 #58
You throw that to me tama Sep 2012 #61
"Assangists" navarth Sep 2012 #101
in that case I've just become disgusted by the jury service and will never Swagman Sep 2012 #20
this occurred to me when I heard the news Swagman Sep 2012 #17
This is the dumbest and craziest thing Assange has ever said. He needs to keep his trap shut. nt ladjf Sep 2012 #21
Life on the lam is eating away at his brain. rucky Sep 2012 #22
and it is just going to get worse. He's barely begun his self-imprisonment in the embassy Dems to Win Sep 2012 #73
The tenor of most replies here shows that posters BlueMTexpat Sep 2012 #23
agree navarth Sep 2012 #30
expecting better was your first mistake.. frylock Sep 2012 #46
That's what gets me navarth Sep 2012 #92
Guilty ... GeorgeGist Sep 2012 #24
Those people have zero credibility - who cares what they say? George II Sep 2012 #25
Clever headline - guilt by association. dipsydoodle Sep 2012 #26
... "I am the heart and soul of this organization, its founder, philosopher, spokesperson, original struggle4progress Sep 2012 #35
I am a corrupt moron flying jumbo jets loaded with entire nations, says Julian Assange struggle4progress Sep 2012 #41
You gotta love that article---how one's drunk tweets from England hit the Aussies mid-day....nt msanthrope Sep 2012 #42
"They'll believe we're real journalists if we get hammered and post dumb shizz!" struggle4progress Sep 2012 #45
... the official WikiLeaks Twitter feed ... is generally presumed to be operated by Assange ... struggle4progress Sep 2012 #43
DU rec...nt SidDithers Sep 2012 #27
I stayed out of the Assange worship leftynyc Sep 2012 #28
+1 Rare for me, too Dems to Win Sep 2012 #70
Daniel Ellsberg said in 2010 navarth Sep 2012 #34
Wikileaks is cool. Assange is not. randome Sep 2012 #50
realtive coolness is irrelevant navarth Sep 2012 #51
Trolls? The contortions and conspiracy hoops you guys have to jump through to keep from... Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #55
contortions and conspiracy hoops? navarth Sep 2012 #64
Translation = Governments should be held accountable. Julian Assange? Not so much. Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #66
Thank you for putting words in my mouth navarth Sep 2012 #67
Frankly, I think he should be put away so he's not a danger to himself or others, but that's just me Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #68
please explain how he is a danger to himself or others navarth Sep 2012 #69
Assangists support Assange on free speech grounds -- then censor his critics struggle4progress Sep 2012 #59
pfft navarth Sep 2012 #65
Jury used to hide facts DUers dislike struggle4progress Sep 2012 #85
I had nothing to do with that. When I serve on a jury navarth Sep 2012 #87
So? Ellsburg wouldn't say that the Libya attack had anything to do with Wikileaks. pnwmom Sep 2012 #80
WTF? navarth Sep 2012 #82
Why does Assange have to go to Sweden before being extradited here and black bagged? Dems to Win Sep 2012 #86
At this point all he's got to do is walk out of that embassy in London. navarth Sep 2012 #88
Why didn't it happen when Assange was on bail in the UK, living at his friend's mansion? Dems to Win Sep 2012 #91
I agree. If we were going to extradite, it would be simpler straight from the UK. pnwmom Sep 2012 #95
ok. if you're sincere navarth Sep 2012 #98
Sweden is also a US ally. Why would the US be willing to interfere with the Swedish justice system Dems to Win Sep 2012 #117
I also would be willing to look at any links navarth Sep 2012 #118
Pretty damn callous: Dems to Win Sep 2012 #122
What the hell does the Libya attack have to do with Daniel Ellsburg? You tell me. pnwmom Sep 2012 #94
My reference to Ellsberg navarth Sep 2012 #99
There isn't a personal vendetta on DU. There are simply some people here pnwmom Sep 2012 #108
On the contrary navarth Sep 2012 #109
No one can provide proof of the innocent people he hurt when he released the pnwmom Sep 2012 #115
okay then. navarth Sep 2012 #120
Narcissists tend to attract both hero-worship and vitriol. pnwmom Sep 2012 #121
He's hiding from having his poor performance as a lover made public. randome Sep 2012 #96
What a disappointing post navarth Sep 2012 #100
WikiLeaks' Lamest Claim Ever: Benghazi Embassy Violence Linked To U.K. Threat To Arrest Assange struggle4progress Sep 2012 #44
GOLDSTEIN!!1 frylock Sep 2012 #47
Can't we all chip in and buy this mf'er a remote island so we never have to hear from him again? Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #52
I'm guessing the Swedes will deport him to Australia after they acquit him struggle4progress Sep 2012 #54
Yes, but that'll mean we'll still have to hear his name occasionally. I'd prefer he just went away, Tarheel_Dem Sep 2012 #56
After they acquit him? Comrade Grumpy Sep 2012 #60
If you prefer "I'm guessing the Swedes will deport him to Australia after they convict him" then struggle4progress Sep 2012 #63
Assange and Bacile, 2 peas in a pod Dems to Win Sep 2012 #62
Discouraging how many in this thread 1. Don't know the definition of "tacit" harun Sep 2012 #76
The US gave no approval to these attacks, tacit or otherwise. pnwmom Sep 2012 #81
The US took the position: "this is a bilateral issue between Ecuador and the United Kingdom" struggle4progress Sep 2012 #84
What I find discouraging davidthegnome Sep 2012 #89
It's not always about you Julian... JohnnyRingo Sep 2012 #77
Sweden + UK > Ecaudor Embassy + Assange does not = Movie + Mob > USA Embassy. freshwest Sep 2012 #97
This guy is JUST so full of himself, isn't he? nt WeekendWarrior Sep 2012 #102
Great guy. nt greyl Sep 2012 #126
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