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In the discussion thread: Assange Faces Arrest Even If Ecuador Grants Asylum [View all]

Response to riderinthestorm (Reply #87)

Sat Aug 18, 2012, 06:00 PM

GliderGuider (15,149 posts)

90. He means "we" in its first person singular sense of course...

It's one of those "general case" exceptions - you just wouldn't understand.

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136 replies	Author	Time	Post
Assange Faces Arrest Even If Ecuador Grants Asylum [View all]	Purveyor	Aug 2012	OP
If the US wants him he can be gotten no matter where he hides. National Security and all. The US	Jumping John	Aug 2012	#1
Not if Ecuador gave him diplomatic status.	dipsydoodle	Aug 2012	#2
I said that on another thread and nobody answered me.	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#5
There is a difference between granting someone asylum and granting them Diplomatic Status...	brooklynite	Aug 2012	#6
I understand but I believe the US would have no problem pissing off Ecuador to grab Assange	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#7
Can one country grant someone from another country, a non citizen, who is in a third country,	robinlynne	Aug 2012	#16
Why not? nt	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#18
The Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations says no	hack89	Aug 2012	#20
I am sure you personally would raid the Embassy on behalf of the USA seeing you seem to hate	Swagman	Aug 2012	#22
No - I think accused rapists should not flee arrest.	hack89	Aug 2012	#24
Limeys shooting their way into an embassy isn't going to win them any friends either.	ronwelldobbs	Aug 2012	#35
They won't do that.	hack89	Aug 2012	#44
If he goes to Sweden they will hand him over to the US and	movonne	Aug 2012	#52
He has been walking free for two years	hack89	Aug 2012	#61
You know that Manning has been seen right?	Ben_Caxton	Aug 2012	#123
They were going to find SOMETHING to hang on him - rape? Perfect.	leveymg	Aug 2012	#86
I was just about to ask about making him an Ecuadorean citizen.... nt	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#28
Ecuador does not recognize dual citizenship - he would have to relinquish his Australian passport	hack89	Aug 2012	#30
I believe he'd do that. Wouldn't you?	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#31
But their laws don't allow him to become a citizen	hack89	Aug 2012	#32
I believe the Brits have now virtually assured it happening with the threat of invading	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#33
That's a bet I would be willing to take	hack89	Aug 2012	#34
Correa might not do anything but ordinary citizens in Ecuador can . . .	ronwelldobbs	Aug 2012	#36
So Ecuadorians are a violent people? That surprises me.	hack89	Aug 2012	#45
yeah great, you think saying to the UK let him go or we will taget your citizens will work	loli phabay	Aug 2012	#54
COOL. I hope they make him a citizen then!	robinlynne	Aug 2012	#47
I believe the order granting asylum included making Assange an Ecuadorian citizen	DJ13	Aug 2012	#56
I don't think it did. Ecuador would have to violate their own citizenship laws to do so. nt	hack89	Aug 2012	#58
The embassy is not a 'compound'; it's a set of rooms in a block	muriel_volestrangler	Aug 2012	#10
Fascinating. I love the whole cloak and dagger aspect of this!	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#15
funny..I had the same OJ cavalcade in mind. Who knows how this will play out	Swagman	Aug 2012	#57
I think they'd have to make him a diplomat to the United Nations	muriel_volestrangler	Aug 2012	#9
From the sound of it,	dipsydoodle	Aug 2012	#11
A large crate like you mention would solve the problem.	cstanleytech	Aug 2012	#13
No, they probably could open it - see the legal blog linked in #9	muriel_volestrangler	Aug 2012	#14
Tatoo Assange with a diplomatic message.	HooptieWagon	Aug 2012	#53
He'd be unlikely to qualify as a UN member representative before the UN seated him as such,	struggle4progress	Aug 2012	#116
Not legal according to international law	hack89	Aug 2012	#19
yeah thats what i thought too, we have seen lots of diplomats lose their accreditation over the year	loli phabay	Aug 2012	#55
K&R	midnight	Aug 2012	#3
Not necessarily.	Daemonaquila	Aug 2012	#4
Well, they could always smuggle him out of the country in a trunk.	MADem	Aug 2012	#8
Ecuador says Britain threatened to raid embassy over Assange	muriel_volestrangler	Aug 2012	#12
Those two women in Sweden could recant. And end this!	robinlynne	Aug 2012	#17
What if they think they were raped?	hack89	Aug 2012	#21
Assange has not been charged with anything. Rape has not been established	Swagman	Aug 2012	#25
Being a fugitive from justice is a crime - he has two valid arrest warrants he is running from.	hack89	Aug 2012	#27
Mohammed al-Zari and Ahmed Agiza	tama	Aug 2012	#40
They don't think they were raped n/t	tama	Aug 2012	#39
and their lawyers say they have. They do not want charges. All they wanted was for Julian	Swagman	Aug 2012	#26
You can't go to the prosecutors, describe a rape, and then ask the prosecutor not to investigate	hack89	Aug 2012	#29
You are aware that rape charges have been used to lynch many black men in the US?	ronwelldobbs	Aug 2012	#37
but they did not describe a rape.	robinlynne	Aug 2012	#41
According to the prosecutors they did.	hack89	Aug 2012	#43
a broken condom during consentual sex?	robinlynne	Aug 2012	#46
Suspicion of rape, sexual molestation and unlawful coercion - according to a Swedish arrest warrant.	hack89	Aug 2012	#48
Sounds to me like he's being accused of being an inconsiderate lover.	GliderGuider	Aug 2012	#49
European countries don't have mediveal rape laws like America	hack89	Aug 2012	#59
the law in question is actually pretty much the same everywhere	reorg	Aug 2012	#68
On the other hand	GliderGuider	Aug 2012	#72
Not being Swedish I don't know where they draw the line	hack89	Aug 2012	#73
Actually , there aren't "four charges in all". There are four allegations	GliderGuider	Aug 2012	#75
There is a valid arrest warrant with four charges. Things changed when he ran.	hack89	Aug 2012	#77
Thanks for the correction.	GliderGuider	Aug 2012	#79
you mean: since you cannot demonstrate that such charges have ever been brought	reorg	Aug 2012	#82
NO! What matters is what the women say!	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#74
What about the rights of the rapist's next victim?	hack89	Aug 2012	#76
This is about Assange who is not a rapist. Full stop. The women don't fear him or feel he's a threat	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#78
We were talking about the general case	hack89	Aug 2012	#84
Ah, so much revealed with that little word "we". Who's "we" hack?	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#87
He means "we" in its first person singular sense of course...	GliderGuider	Aug 2012	#90
I know, just ensuring I don't worry my pretty little head about it...	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#91
I thought you said that in every case it was the woman's decision	hack89	Aug 2012	#95
So you think I don't get to make my own decisions?	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#97
If there is clear evidence that a crime has been committed the government has to act	hack89	Aug 2012	#100
Okay so we're clear. You believe women aren't entitled to that control	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#102
The smell of paint in that corner must be getting overpowering by now... nt	GliderGuider	Aug 2012	#105
What if there was an eyewitness?	hack89	Aug 2012	#106
I asked you 7 questions in my post. You didn't answer any of them. Not one.	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#107
Kind of awkward for you I know.	hack89	Aug 2012	#109
Actually more awkward for you since you aren't answering me. A paste from #110	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#111
Even more crickets hack89.... answer me why you get to be the sex patrol	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#114
violent? the condom broke. violent?	robinlynne	Aug 2012	#130
You really need to read the four actual charges.	hack89	Aug 2012	#131
I wish there was a way to K&R your post.	idwiyo	Aug 2012	#124
back to baseless slander, I see	reorg	Aug 2012	#81
When they make official.statements that describe rape	hack89	Aug 2012	#88
The government does NOT get to tell me what's going on with my own body!	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#92
well, the Stockholm prosecutor Eva Finné disagrees with you	reorg	Aug 2012	#104
Is Assange a "rapist"? I thought that would require one of three things:	GliderGuider	Aug 2012	#83
I was addressing the general case not Assange specifically.	hack89	Aug 2012	#85
"Addressing the general case" in this case amounts to a smear by association	GliderGuider	Aug 2012	#89
When a poster says that it should always be left up to the woman	hack89	Aug 2012	#93
I really want to know why you think its a "bad idea" for women to define their own	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#94
Because if there is clear and convincing evidence that a rape actually took place	hack89	Aug 2012	#98
What clear and convincing evidence do you think you would have?	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#101
An eyewitness. A bystander that witnessed the rape and intervened.	hack89	Aug 2012	#108
Eyewitness accounts are wrong at least 50% of the time	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#110
Crickets hack89. Asked you to respond hours ago. Crickets.... nt	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#113
There is not clear and convincing evidence that rape took place. Remember, the woman went back for	robinlynne	Aug 2012	#132
I wasn't specifically addressing the Assange case	hack89	Aug 2012	#134
We are all addressing the Assange case.This OP is all about the Assange case.	robinlynne	Aug 2012	#135
The sub thread veered into the general	hack89	Aug 2012	#136
It's a grey area. Take domestic violence, for example	GliderGuider	Aug 2012	#96
Very rare for a DV case to go forward without the woman's cooperation	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#99
That makes sense - a successful prosecution requires evidence after all	GliderGuider	Aug 2012	#103
The women don't call it rape, they didn't want to press charges	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#51
When they make official statements to the police that describe rape according to Swedish law	hack89	Aug 2012	#60
Police ignore crimes all the time! Sweden has some of the worst rape prosecution rates in the EU	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#62
Is your argument really 'the police ignore crimes all the time, so they should ignore this' n/t	Bodhi BloodWave	Aug 2012	#63
Yes, because that's what the women want. Who are you, or anyone! to tell them what to do	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#64
i'm sure rich people everywhere are thanking you currently	Bodhi BloodWave	Aug 2012	#115
The women in this case, the supposed "victims", say there's no crime!	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#117
we don't know what assange supporters might have done shrugs	Bodhi BloodWave	Aug 2012	#118
So you are for slut shaming by the state, that you + them get to be the arbiters of consensual sex	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#119
considering i took a look at the article you posted in another thread	Bodhi BloodWave	Aug 2012	#120
So the evil patriarch strikes again?	hack89	Aug 2012	#65
So the short summer of love with Feminism is over?	reorg	Aug 2012	#67
Gender equality and the MIC can coexist perfectly	hack89	Aug 2012	#69
sure	reorg	Aug 2012	#70
So only "despicable, sexist, voyeuristic men" think Assange may have committed rape? Really. nt	hack89	Aug 2012	#66
No, they are the ones who are forcing and using these women in this power play,	riderinthestorm	Aug 2012	#71
They have	tama	Aug 2012	#38
perhaps you wil find Assange left the Embassy weeks ago in the trunk of a car	Swagman	Aug 2012	#23
he spoke live from the embassy window on Sunday with news reporters from all around the world taping	robinlynne	Aug 2012	#133
So will continue to be a guest of the embassy indefinitely.	David__77	Aug 2012	#42
then all should be revealed about the corruption that is dragging this world down	fascisthunter	Aug 2012	#50
Things happen over time...things change	lovuian	Aug 2012	#80
Why doesn't Obama call off his attack dogs? Obviously.. its the U.S. who wants Assange...	lib2DaBone	Aug 2012	#112
Majority of American want to see people behind Wikileaks prosecuted	tama	Aug 2012	#121
Unasur backs Ecuador's asylum offer to Assange	cqo_000	Aug 2012	#122
Good for them and thank you for posting this	idwiyo	Aug 2012	#125
Guess I mised their call......	djean111	Aug 2012	#126
Not an easy case for DU	tama	Aug 2012	#127
If all of this pounding about Assange is to ensure DU will support Obama no matter what....	djean111	Aug 2012	#128
Assange should not be "prosecuted for Wikileaks"	SylviaD	Aug 2012	#129

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