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hack89

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29. You can't go to the prosecutors, describe a rape, and then ask the prosecutor not to investigate
Wed Aug 15, 2012, 07:51 PM
Aug 2012

once they made their statements to the police it was out of their hands - it is not the prosecutors job to ignore crimes.

If the US wants him he can be gotten no matter where he hides. National Security and all. The US Jumping John Aug 2012 #1
Not if Ecuador gave him diplomatic status. dipsydoodle Aug 2012 #2
I said that on another thread and nobody answered me. riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #5
There is a difference between granting someone asylum and granting them Diplomatic Status... brooklynite Aug 2012 #6
I understand but I believe the US would have no problem pissing off Ecuador to grab Assange riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #7
Can one country grant someone from another country, a non citizen, who is in a third country, robinlynne Aug 2012 #16
Why not? nt riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #18
The Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations says no hack89 Aug 2012 #20
I am sure you personally would raid the Embassy on behalf of the USA seeing you seem to hate Swagman Aug 2012 #22
No - I think accused rapists should not flee arrest. hack89 Aug 2012 #24
Limeys shooting their way into an embassy isn't going to win them any friends either. ronwelldobbs Aug 2012 #35
They won't do that. hack89 Aug 2012 #44
If he goes to Sweden they will hand him over to the US and movonne Aug 2012 #52
He has been walking free for two years hack89 Aug 2012 #61
You know that Manning has been seen right? Ben_Caxton Aug 2012 #123
They were going to find SOMETHING to hang on him - rape? Perfect. leveymg Aug 2012 #86
I was just about to ask about making him an Ecuadorean citizen.... nt riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #28
Ecuador does not recognize dual citizenship - he would have to relinquish his Australian passport hack89 Aug 2012 #30
I believe he'd do that. Wouldn't you? riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #31
But their laws don't allow him to become a citizen hack89 Aug 2012 #32
I believe the Brits have now virtually assured it happening with the threat of invading riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #33
That's a bet I would be willing to take hack89 Aug 2012 #34
Correa might not do anything but ordinary citizens in Ecuador can . . . ronwelldobbs Aug 2012 #36
So Ecuadorians are a violent people? That surprises me. hack89 Aug 2012 #45
yeah great, you think saying to the UK let him go or we will taget your citizens will work loli phabay Aug 2012 #54
COOL. I hope they make him a citizen then! robinlynne Aug 2012 #47
I believe the order granting asylum included making Assange an Ecuadorian citizen DJ13 Aug 2012 #56
I don't think it did. Ecuador would have to violate their own citizenship laws to do so. nt hack89 Aug 2012 #58
The embassy is not a 'compound'; it's a set of rooms in a block muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #10
Fascinating. I love the whole cloak and dagger aspect of this! riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #15
funny..I had the same OJ cavalcade in mind. Who knows how this will play out Swagman Aug 2012 #57
I think they'd have to make him a diplomat to the United Nations muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #9
From the sound of it, dipsydoodle Aug 2012 #11
A large crate like you mention would solve the problem. cstanleytech Aug 2012 #13
No, they probably could open it - see the legal blog linked in #9 muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #14
Tatoo Assange with a diplomatic message. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #53
He'd be unlikely to qualify as a UN member representative before the UN seated him as such, struggle4progress Aug 2012 #116
Not legal according to international law hack89 Aug 2012 #19
yeah thats what i thought too, we have seen lots of diplomats lose their accreditation over the year loli phabay Aug 2012 #55
K&R midnight Aug 2012 #3
Not necessarily. Daemonaquila Aug 2012 #4
Well, they could always smuggle him out of the country in a trunk. MADem Aug 2012 #8
Ecuador says Britain threatened to raid embassy over Assange muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #12
Those two women in Sweden could recant. And end this! robinlynne Aug 2012 #17
What if they think they were raped? hack89 Aug 2012 #21
Assange has not been charged with anything. Rape has not been established Swagman Aug 2012 #25
Being a fugitive from justice is a crime - he has two valid arrest warrants he is running from. hack89 Aug 2012 #27
Mohammed al-Zari and Ahmed Agiza tama Aug 2012 #40
They don't think they were raped n/t tama Aug 2012 #39
and their lawyers say they have. They do not want charges. All they wanted was for Julian Swagman Aug 2012 #26
You can't go to the prosecutors, describe a rape, and then ask the prosecutor not to investigate hack89 Aug 2012 #29
You are aware that rape charges have been used to lynch many black men in the US? ronwelldobbs Aug 2012 #37
but they did not describe a rape. robinlynne Aug 2012 #41
According to the prosecutors they did. hack89 Aug 2012 #43
a broken condom during consentual sex? robinlynne Aug 2012 #46
Suspicion of rape, sexual molestation and unlawful coercion - according to a Swedish arrest warrant. hack89 Aug 2012 #48
Sounds to me like he's being accused of being an inconsiderate lover. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #49
European countries don't have mediveal rape laws like America hack89 Aug 2012 #59
the law in question is actually pretty much the same everywhere reorg Aug 2012 #68
On the other hand GliderGuider Aug 2012 #72
Not being Swedish I don't know where they draw the line hack89 Aug 2012 #73
Actually , there aren't "four charges in all". There are four *allegations* GliderGuider Aug 2012 #75
There is a valid arrest warrant with four charges. Things changed when he ran. hack89 Aug 2012 #77
Thanks for the correction. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #79
you mean: since you cannot demonstrate that such charges have ever been brought reorg Aug 2012 #82
NO! What matters is what the women say! riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #74
What about the rights of the rapist's next victim? hack89 Aug 2012 #76
This is about Assange who is not a rapist. Full stop. The women don't fear him or feel he's a threat riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #78
We were talking about the general case hack89 Aug 2012 #84
Ah, so much revealed with that little word "we". Who's "we" hack? riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #87
He means "we" in its first person singular sense of course... GliderGuider Aug 2012 #90
I know, just ensuring I don't worry my pretty little head about it... riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #91
I thought you said that in every case it was the woman's decision hack89 Aug 2012 #95
So you think I don't get to make my own decisions? riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #97
If there is clear evidence that a crime has been committed the government has to act hack89 Aug 2012 #100
Okay so we're clear. You believe women aren't entitled to that control riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #102
The smell of paint in that corner must be getting overpowering by now... nt GliderGuider Aug 2012 #105
What if there was an eyewitness? hack89 Aug 2012 #106
I asked you 7 questions in my post. You didn't answer any of them. Not one. riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #107
Kind of awkward for you I know. hack89 Aug 2012 #109
Actually more awkward for you since you aren't answering me. A paste from #110 riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #111
Even more crickets hack89.... answer me why you get to be the sex patrol riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #114
violent? the condom broke. violent? robinlynne Aug 2012 #130
You really need to read the four actual charges. hack89 Aug 2012 #131
I wish there was a way to K&R your post. idwiyo Aug 2012 #124
back to baseless slander, I see reorg Aug 2012 #81
When they make official.statements that describe rape hack89 Aug 2012 #88
The government does NOT get to tell me what's going on with my own body! riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #92
well, the Stockholm prosecutor Eva Finné disagrees with you reorg Aug 2012 #104
Is Assange a "rapist"? I thought that would require one of three things: GliderGuider Aug 2012 #83
I was addressing the general case not Assange specifically. hack89 Aug 2012 #85
"Addressing the general case" in this case amounts to a smear by association GliderGuider Aug 2012 #89
When a poster says that it should always be left up to the woman hack89 Aug 2012 #93
I really want to know why you think its a "bad idea" for women to define their own riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #94
Because if there is clear and convincing evidence that a rape actually took place hack89 Aug 2012 #98
What clear and convincing evidence do you think you would have? riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #101
An eyewitness. A bystander that witnessed the rape and intervened. hack89 Aug 2012 #108
Eyewitness accounts are wrong at least 50% of the time riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #110
Crickets hack89. Asked you to respond hours ago. Crickets.... nt riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #113
There is not clear and convincing evidence that rape took place. Remember, the woman went back for robinlynne Aug 2012 #132
I wasn't specifically addressing the Assange case hack89 Aug 2012 #134
We are all addressing the Assange case.This OP is all about the Assange case. robinlynne Aug 2012 #135
The sub thread veered into the general hack89 Aug 2012 #136
It's a grey area. Take domestic violence, for example GliderGuider Aug 2012 #96
Very rare for a DV case to go forward without the woman's cooperation riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #99
That makes sense - a successful prosecution requires evidence after all GliderGuider Aug 2012 #103
The women don't call it rape, they didn't want to press charges riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #51
When they make official statements to the police that describe rape according to Swedish law hack89 Aug 2012 #60
Police ignore crimes all the time! Sweden has some of the worst rape prosecution rates in the EU riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #62
Is your argument really 'the police ignore crimes all the time, so they should ignore this' n/t Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #63
Yes, because that's what the women want. Who are you, or anyone! to tell them what to do riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #64
i'm sure rich people everywhere are thanking you currently Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #115
The women in this case, the supposed "victims", say there's no crime! riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #117
we don't know what assange supporters might have done *shrugs* Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #118
So you are for slut shaming by the state, that you + them get to be the arbiters of consensual sex riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #119
considering i took a look at the article you posted in another thread Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #120
So the evil patriarch strikes again? hack89 Aug 2012 #65
So the short summer of love with Feminism is over? reorg Aug 2012 #67
Gender equality and the MIC can coexist perfectly hack89 Aug 2012 #69
sure reorg Aug 2012 #70
So only "despicable, sexist, voyeuristic men" think Assange may have committed rape? Really. nt hack89 Aug 2012 #66
No, they are the ones who are forcing and using these women in this power play, riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #71
They have tama Aug 2012 #38
perhaps you wil find Assange left the Embassy weeks ago in the trunk of a car Swagman Aug 2012 #23
he spoke live from the embassy window on Sunday with news reporters from all around the world taping robinlynne Aug 2012 #133
So will continue to be a guest of the embassy indefinitely. David__77 Aug 2012 #42
then all should be revealed about the corruption that is dragging this world down fascisthunter Aug 2012 #50
Things happen over time...things change lovuian Aug 2012 #80
Why doesn't Obama call off his attack dogs? Obviously.. its the U.S. who wants Assange... lib2DaBone Aug 2012 #112
Majority of American want to see people behind Wikileaks prosecuted tama Aug 2012 #121
Unasur backs Ecuador's asylum offer to Assange cqo_000 Aug 2012 #122
Good for them and thank you for posting this idwiyo Aug 2012 #125
Guess I mised their call...... djean111 Aug 2012 #126
Not an easy case for DU tama Aug 2012 #127
If all of this pounding about Assange is to ensure DU will support Obama no matter what.... djean111 Aug 2012 #128
Assange should not be "prosecuted for Wikileaks" SylviaD Aug 2012 #129
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