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9. I think they'd have to make him a diplomat to the United Nations

Wed Aug 15, 2012, 05:10 PM

Aug 2012

The UK doesn't have to accept every diplomat put forward to it; and being wanted for breaking bail conditions would be a reason not to accept him.

An analysis: http://www.headoflegal.com/2012/06/26/julian-assange-can-he-get-out-of-this/

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Assange Faces Arrest Even If Ecuador Grants Asylum [View all] Purveyor Aug 2012 OP

If the US wants him he can be gotten no matter where he hides. National Security and all. The US Jumping John Aug 2012 #1

Not if Ecuador gave him diplomatic status. dipsydoodle Aug 2012 #2

I said that on another thread and nobody answered me. riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #5

There is a difference between granting someone asylum and granting them Diplomatic Status... brooklynite Aug 2012 #6

I understand but I believe the US would have no problem pissing off Ecuador to grab Assange riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #7

Can one country grant someone from another country, a non citizen, who is in a third country, robinlynne Aug 2012 #16

Why not? nt riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #18

The Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations says no hack89 Aug 2012 #20

I am sure you personally would raid the Embassy on behalf of the USA seeing you seem to hate Swagman Aug 2012 #22

No - I think accused rapists should not flee arrest. hack89 Aug 2012 #24

Limeys shooting their way into an embassy isn't going to win them any friends either. ronwelldobbs Aug 2012 #35

They won't do that. hack89 Aug 2012 #44

If he goes to Sweden they will hand him over to the US and movonne Aug 2012 #52

He has been walking free for two years hack89 Aug 2012 #61

You know that Manning has been seen right? Ben_Caxton Aug 2012 #123

They were going to find SOMETHING to hang on him - rape? Perfect. leveymg Aug 2012 #86

I was just about to ask about making him an Ecuadorean citizen.... nt riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #28

Ecuador does not recognize dual citizenship - he would have to relinquish his Australian passport hack89 Aug 2012 #30

I believe he'd do that. Wouldn't you? riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #31

But their laws don't allow him to become a citizen hack89 Aug 2012 #32

I believe the Brits have now virtually assured it happening with the threat of invading riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #33

That's a bet I would be willing to take hack89 Aug 2012 #34

Correa might not do anything but ordinary citizens in Ecuador can . . . ronwelldobbs Aug 2012 #36

So Ecuadorians are a violent people? That surprises me. hack89 Aug 2012 #45

yeah great, you think saying to the UK let him go or we will taget your citizens will work loli phabay Aug 2012 #54

COOL. I hope they make him a citizen then! robinlynne Aug 2012 #47

I believe the order granting asylum included making Assange an Ecuadorian citizen DJ13 Aug 2012 #56

I don't think it did. Ecuador would have to violate their own citizenship laws to do so. nt hack89 Aug 2012 #58

The embassy is not a 'compound'; it's a set of rooms in a block muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #10

Fascinating. I love the whole cloak and dagger aspect of this! riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #15

funny..I had the same OJ cavalcade in mind. Who knows how this will play out Swagman Aug 2012 #57

I think they'd have to make him a diplomat to the United Nations muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #9

From the sound of it, dipsydoodle Aug 2012 #11

A large crate like you mention would solve the problem. cstanleytech Aug 2012 #13

No, they probably could open it - see the legal blog linked in #9 muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #14

Tatoo Assange with a diplomatic message. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #53

He'd be unlikely to qualify as a UN member representative before the UN seated him as such, struggle4progress Aug 2012 #116

Not legal according to international law hack89 Aug 2012 #19

yeah thats what i thought too, we have seen lots of diplomats lose their accreditation over the year loli phabay Aug 2012 #55

K&R midnight Aug 2012 #3

Not necessarily. Daemonaquila Aug 2012 #4

Well, they could always smuggle him out of the country in a trunk. MADem Aug 2012 #8

Ecuador says Britain threatened to raid embassy over Assange muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #12

Those two women in Sweden could recant. And end this! robinlynne Aug 2012 #17

What if they think they were raped? hack89 Aug 2012 #21

Assange has not been charged with anything. Rape has not been established Swagman Aug 2012 #25

Being a fugitive from justice is a crime - he has two valid arrest warrants he is running from. hack89 Aug 2012 #27

Mohammed al-Zari and Ahmed Agiza tama Aug 2012 #40

They don't think they were raped n/t tama Aug 2012 #39

and their lawyers say they have. They do not want charges. All they wanted was for Julian Swagman Aug 2012 #26

You can't go to the prosecutors, describe a rape, and then ask the prosecutor not to investigate hack89 Aug 2012 #29

You are aware that rape charges have been used to lynch many black men in the US? ronwelldobbs Aug 2012 #37

but they did not describe a rape. robinlynne Aug 2012 #41

According to the prosecutors they did. hack89 Aug 2012 #43

a broken condom during consentual sex? robinlynne Aug 2012 #46

Suspicion of rape, sexual molestation and unlawful coercion - according to a Swedish arrest warrant. hack89 Aug 2012 #48

Sounds to me like he's being accused of being an inconsiderate lover. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #49

European countries don't have mediveal rape laws like America hack89 Aug 2012 #59

the law in question is actually pretty much the same everywhere reorg Aug 2012 #68

On the other hand GliderGuider Aug 2012 #72

Not being Swedish I don't know where they draw the line hack89 Aug 2012 #73

Actually , there aren't "four charges in all". There are four *allegations* GliderGuider Aug 2012 #75

There is a valid arrest warrant with four charges. Things changed when he ran. hack89 Aug 2012 #77

Thanks for the correction. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #79

you mean: since you cannot demonstrate that such charges have ever been brought reorg Aug 2012 #82

NO! What matters is what the women say! riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #74

What about the rights of the rapist's next victim? hack89 Aug 2012 #76

This is about Assange who is not a rapist. Full stop. The women don't fear him or feel he's a threat riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #78

We were talking about the general case hack89 Aug 2012 #84

Ah, so much revealed with that little word "we". Who's "we" hack? riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #87

He means "we" in its first person singular sense of course... GliderGuider Aug 2012 #90

I know, just ensuring I don't worry my pretty little head about it... riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #91

I thought you said that in every case it was the woman's decision hack89 Aug 2012 #95

So you think I don't get to make my own decisions? riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #97

If there is clear evidence that a crime has been committed the government has to act hack89 Aug 2012 #100

Okay so we're clear. You believe women aren't entitled to that control riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #102

The smell of paint in that corner must be getting overpowering by now... nt GliderGuider Aug 2012 #105

What if there was an eyewitness? hack89 Aug 2012 #106

I asked you 7 questions in my post. You didn't answer any of them. Not one. riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #107

Kind of awkward for you I know. hack89 Aug 2012 #109

Actually more awkward for you since you aren't answering me. A paste from #110 riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #111

Even more crickets hack89.... answer me why you get to be the sex patrol riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #114

violent? the condom broke. violent? robinlynne Aug 2012 #130

You really need to read the four actual charges. hack89 Aug 2012 #131

I wish there was a way to K&R your post. idwiyo Aug 2012 #124

back to baseless slander, I see reorg Aug 2012 #81

When they make official.statements that describe rape hack89 Aug 2012 #88

The government does NOT get to tell me what's going on with my own body! riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #92

well, the Stockholm prosecutor Eva Finné disagrees with you reorg Aug 2012 #104

Is Assange a "rapist"? I thought that would require one of three things: GliderGuider Aug 2012 #83

I was addressing the general case not Assange specifically. hack89 Aug 2012 #85

"Addressing the general case" in this case amounts to a smear by association GliderGuider Aug 2012 #89

When a poster says that it should always be left up to the woman hack89 Aug 2012 #93

I really want to know why you think its a "bad idea" for women to define their own riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #94

Because if there is clear and convincing evidence that a rape actually took place hack89 Aug 2012 #98

What clear and convincing evidence do you think you would have? riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #101

An eyewitness. A bystander that witnessed the rape and intervened. hack89 Aug 2012 #108

Eyewitness accounts are wrong at least 50% of the time riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #110

Crickets hack89. Asked you to respond hours ago. Crickets.... nt riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #113

There is not clear and convincing evidence that rape took place. Remember, the woman went back for robinlynne Aug 2012 #132

I wasn't specifically addressing the Assange case hack89 Aug 2012 #134

We are all addressing the Assange case.This OP is all about the Assange case. robinlynne Aug 2012 #135

The sub thread veered into the general hack89 Aug 2012 #136

It's a grey area. Take domestic violence, for example GliderGuider Aug 2012 #96

Very rare for a DV case to go forward without the woman's cooperation riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #99

That makes sense - a successful prosecution requires evidence after all GliderGuider Aug 2012 #103

The women don't call it rape, they didn't want to press charges riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #51

When they make official statements to the police that describe rape according to Swedish law hack89 Aug 2012 #60

Police ignore crimes all the time! Sweden has some of the worst rape prosecution rates in the EU riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #62

Is your argument really 'the police ignore crimes all the time, so they should ignore this' n/t Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #63

Yes, because that's what the women want. Who are you, or anyone! to tell them what to do riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #64

i'm sure rich people everywhere are thanking you currently Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #115

The women in this case, the supposed "victims", say there's no crime! riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #117

we don't know what assange supporters might have done *shrugs* Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #118

So you are for slut shaming by the state, that you + them get to be the arbiters of consensual sex riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #119

considering i took a look at the article you posted in another thread Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #120

So the evil patriarch strikes again? hack89 Aug 2012 #65

So the short summer of love with Feminism is over? reorg Aug 2012 #67

Gender equality and the MIC can coexist perfectly hack89 Aug 2012 #69

sure reorg Aug 2012 #70

So only "despicable, sexist, voyeuristic men" think Assange may have committed rape? Really. nt hack89 Aug 2012 #66

No, they are the ones who are forcing and using these women in this power play, riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #71

They have tama Aug 2012 #38

perhaps you wil find Assange left the Embassy weeks ago in the trunk of a car Swagman Aug 2012 #23

he spoke live from the embassy window on Sunday with news reporters from all around the world taping robinlynne Aug 2012 #133

So will continue to be a guest of the embassy indefinitely. David__77 Aug 2012 #42

then all should be revealed about the corruption that is dragging this world down fascisthunter Aug 2012 #50

Things happen over time...things change lovuian Aug 2012 #80

Why doesn't Obama call off his attack dogs? Obviously.. its the U.S. who wants Assange... lib2DaBone Aug 2012 #112

Majority of American want to see people behind Wikileaks prosecuted tama Aug 2012 #121

Unasur backs Ecuador's asylum offer to Assange cqo_000 Aug 2012 #122

Good for them and thank you for posting this idwiyo Aug 2012 #125

Guess I mised their call...... djean111 Aug 2012 #126

Not an easy case for DU tama Aug 2012 #127

If all of this pounding about Assange is to ensure DU will support Obama no matter what.... djean111 Aug 2012 #128

Assange should not be "prosecuted for Wikileaks" SylviaD Aug 2012 #129