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psychopomp

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33. That's not fair

Mon Aug 13, 2012, 07:48 AM

Aug 2012

Every black American, including myself, knows what happens when a weapon is pulled in public and one refuses to give up immediately.

The deceased may have been unable to think clearly, but that wouldn't make him less dangerous or less culpable.

I'm fairly sure the outcome would have been the same for any man. Police use deadly force in such situations.

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Family of deranged man fatally shot by cops in Times Square upset over use deadly force [View all] TomClash Aug 2012 OP

killer cops hog Aug 2012 #1

“It doesn't take 12 bullets to kill one person,” Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #2

Uh, that practice isn't exactly one that Bush instituted. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #3

True,....but they got promoted. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #4

What was in that "weed?" MADem Aug 2012 #5

or maybe they could shoot to wound. jerseyjack Aug 2012 #6

They are not trained to shoot guys in legs. geek tragedy Aug 2012 #9

That's not part of the protocol, and I can see why. MADem Aug 2012 #10

Rubber bullets and beanbags in be fired out of 12-gauge shotguns NickB79 Aug 2012 #50

I have no idea what the "deal" was, there, of course--I wasn't there. But I have been to MADem Aug 2012 #55

Shooting a moving target in the leg is not nearly as easy as TV claims. Posteritatis Aug 2012 #11

Nor does it necessarily stop someone even if they hit SWTORFanatic Aug 2012 #43

Shoot to wound is a hollywood myth. X_Digger Aug 2012 #13

Sorrry, you don't shoot to "wound" CanonRay Aug 2012 #17

Cops (and gun carriers in general dont shoot to wound that a hollywood falsehood) Missycim Aug 2012 #27

I was waiting for my favorite reply. joeglow3 Aug 2012 #40

I wonder how constables in the UK would have handled the situation primavera Aug 2012 #41

If the cops were any good, they'd have shot the knife out of his hand JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2012 #49

On a street with people on it? jberryhill Aug 2012 #51

I hope that was a joke.... Great Caesars Ghost Aug 2012 #53

In case there was any doubt, yes, I was kidding. JustABozoOnThisBus Aug 2012 #83

Somehow, shooting just to wound a homicidal maniac Riftaxe Aug 2012 #68

Being shot ANYWHERE can be deadly. Xithras Aug 2012 #85

No tasers????? dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #56

According to passers-by/tourists, he was lunging at people with the knife. MADem Aug 2012 #57

ty for the info, MADem.. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #66

Your national love affair with littigation is why nets and similar... TheMadMonk Aug 2012 #76

Guy I know told me something disturbing. Archae Aug 2012 #7

This guy had a history of similar incidents geek tragedy Aug 2012 #12

Maniac impervious to non deadly force threatens the general public geek tragedy Aug 2012 #8

Except TomClash Aug 2012 #14

You kind of skipped the part where this drugged-up wacko was waving geek tragedy Aug 2012 #21

And you completely missed the rest TomClash Aug 2012 #26

That's not fair psychopomp Aug 2012 #33

And how does that make it right? TomClash Aug 2012 #60

A cop tried to arrest him for breaking the law NickB79 Aug 2012 #52

Nonsense TomClash Aug 2012 #59

Whether you like it or not, it is still illegal to smoke weed in public NickB79 Aug 2012 #61

He was surrounded TomClash Aug 2012 #64

I Wish RobinA Aug 2012 #92

Bingo CanonRay Aug 2012 #18

Judging from many of the replies TomClash Aug 2012 #15

To not automatically not shit on the cops makes us freepers? CanonRay Aug 2012 #19

Agree with the content TomClash Aug 2012 #25

Would you have been happy Missycim Aug 2012 #28

No TomClash Aug 2012 #30

And same guy drew a deadly weapon psychopomp Aug 2012 #34

Is that the lesson you draw from this episode? TomClash Aug 2012 #63

I thought weed smokers Missycim Aug 2012 #36

I wouldn't know TomClash Aug 2012 #65

And knife wielders Missycim Aug 2012 #67

No TomClash Aug 2012 #69

What ever happened to taser's, cops used to love their taser's crimson77 Aug 2012 #16

Well a lot of Missycim Aug 2012 #29

We have had several incidents upstate .... Historic NY Aug 2012 #20

cops shooting a deranged man 12 times because he is waving a knife around is not justified. Ever. Proletariatprincess Aug 2012 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author PBass Aug 2012 #24

The guy went seven blocks with a knife out psychopomp Aug 2012 #35

SHAME ON AMERICA frankieT Aug 2012 #42

Good on ya, Frankie Proletariatprincess Aug 2012 #44

It's not like they shot him once, waited to see what would happen, shot him again, waited, etc. AtheistCrusader Aug 2012 #47

They had no taser, they were a couple of feet away and backed up against their patrol car. MADem Aug 2012 #58

Yeah. That was my impression. AtheistCrusader Aug 2012 #62

And two professionally trained officers couldn't find a nonlethal way to subdue him primavera Aug 2012 #70

I'd like to see you try it with a guy two or three feet away from you, MADem Aug 2012 #72

I'm not a professionally trained law enforcement officer primavera Aug 2012 #78

Protective gear is no help against a knife. MADem Aug 2012 #87

1. "Bulletproof" vests cut like thick nylon X_Digger Aug 2012 #73

Any idea why they aren't reliable? primavera Aug 2012 #79

Body armor is always a trade-off.. X_Digger Aug 2012 #80

Six months?! primavera Aug 2012 #81

Yeah, it's an imperfect proposition to begin with. X_Digger Aug 2012 #82

I read that a couple of manufacturers are working on nanotech armor... primavera Aug 2012 #84

I find unnecessary police violence horrendous, but in this case it appears to be necessary. PBass Aug 2012 #23

Thanks for saying clealy what I've been trying to say CanonRay Aug 2012 #39

if this backwards country had anything close to competant, adequate mental health facilities SemperEadem Aug 2012 #31

They did use pepper spray, several times. geek tragedy Aug 2012 #38

I wasn't disputing that point SemperEadem Aug 2012 #86

Somewhere, but not in Times Square. geek tragedy Aug 2012 #88

whatever... SemperEadem Aug 2012 #89

Very good points and well made. Proletariatprincess Aug 2012 #46

From the video, there were approximately 8 cops. Two felt it was necessary to shoot. jerseyjack Aug 2012 #32

He wasn't walking backwards when they shot him. geek tragedy Aug 2012 #37

Or it could be that 2 officers had a good, safe angle for shooting.... PavePusher Aug 2012 #48

The link says he was within 3 FEET of one of the officers before being shot NickB79 Aug 2012 #54

Don't police officers carry batons, pepper spray, tasers, etc... primavera Aug 2012 #71

He was pepper sprayed multiple times. No effect. n/t X_Digger Aug 2012 #75

Read the commissioner's statements provided upthread. nt MADem Aug 2012 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author X_Digger Aug 2012 #74

I am no cop lover at all - honestly, I don't like the contacts I've had SWTORFanatic Aug 2012 #45

Too bad nobody had a big net, or a long 2 x 4 jsr Aug 2012 #90

Would they have been ok if he'd been killed with only 1 bullet? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #91