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sabrina 1

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26. I don't need to tell you about any of those judges. Many people, far more informed than I
Thu Aug 2, 2012, 06:25 PM
Aug 2012

or you about Spain's judiciary have explained what happened to Garvon.

From Democracy Now, from one such individual, of whom there are many:

http://www.democracynow.org/2012/2/10/spanish_judge_baltasar_garzn_disbarred_in|

Spanish Judge Garzón Disbarred in Trial Seen as Retaliation for Trailblazing Human Rights Work

AMY GOODMAN: ......

Well, to talk more about the ruling against Judge Garzón, we’re joined by Reed Brody, counsel and spokesperson for Human Rights Watch in Brussels. He was observing Garzón’s trial in Madrid, is now with us in New York.

Can you just tell us what happened?

REED BRODY: Sure. Well, as you said, there were three cases against Garzón. I mean, this was a concerted effort by his enemies within the conservative Spanish judiciary essentially to get rid of him. And the first case, accusing him of failing to apply Spain’s amnesty law, got such a bad reaction internationally, but other cases were leapfrogged in front of that.

And in this case, he ordered that the alleged ringleaders of a massive corruption scandal—over 120 million euros, $180 million, involving payoffs within the now-ruling Popular Party—he ordered that the defendants be wiretapped, because, allegedly, the lawyers, who were in conversation with them, were laundering the money. And in fact, one of the lawyers was actually indicted for money laundering. He ordered the wiretaps on the recommendation of a prosecutor. When the case was moved to another jurisdiction, the new prosecutor recommended the wiretaps, and the new judge continued the wiretaps. And despite the fact that one of the lawyers was in fact indicted for laundering the proceeds of this scandal, the wiretaps were quashed. That’s OK. What then happened, though, is that he was actually prosecuted by the defendants. And the conservative judiciary accepted the case, and he has now been convicted of having abused his authority by ordering these wiretaps.

JUAN GONZALEZ: Well, I mean, it almost seems that as long as he was willing to deal with cases internationally, that it was OK by the Spanish judiciary. But as soon as he began to look at the Franco regime, the atrocities of the Franco regime, or begin to zero in on possible corruption within his own government, suddenly they went out to get him.

REED BRODY: Well, he has made a lot of enemies, particularly in the Popular Party. But also, let’s not forget that he had—his actions resulted in the indictment of a Socialist Interior Ministry for supporting death squads in the Basque country. So he had made enemies on both sides of the spectrum. And this was really a concerted effort to cut him down to size, which—a massive attack on the independence of the judiciary and on a very brave judge.


So tell me, why were the two Prosecutors, the one whose advice Garzon followed and the one who upheld the wire-taps not prosecuted? Apparently considering the involvement of the lawyers in the corruption, those wire-taps were legal. It was the fact that they were implicated, that Garzon and two others approved of the wire-taps.

A clear case of the Far Right going after a courageous Judge who would not stop exposing and prosecuting War Criminals.
Calling Ecaduor....! hlthe2b Aug 2012 #1
We'll see what a big man Assange is MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #2
You're so right, who did he think he was publishing facts, imitating real journalism, which everyone sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #4
We are such a great democracy. Secret juries hiding behind closed doors trying to figure out a way sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #3
Thats's it: "Behind closed doors". Ghost Dog Aug 2012 #6
Probably because they are searching for a crime. They have a person but no crime and they want to sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #7
Very well put. Ghost Dog Aug 2012 #32
I second Sabrina's response.... midnight Aug 2012 #35
Somewhere, someplace ... Fantastic Anarchist Aug 2012 #9
"The Founding Fathers who wrote the Constitution must be rolling over in their graves." msanthrope Aug 2012 #11
I was not talking about how they felt about Grand Juries being used appropriately. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #17
Yeah--Judith Miller though that being a journalist would protect her--so she leaked the news of an msanthrope Aug 2012 #19
Like so many assumptions, your assumptions here are wrong also. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #21
How is it you are unfamiliar with what this GJ is investigating? House's subpeona has been online msanthrope Aug 2012 #23
Assange did not flee Sweden's jurisdiction. You need to educate yourself about this case. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #25
Sabrina, the Belmarsh court made a finding of fact that he did flee. You can't have your own facts. msanthrope Aug 2012 #28
From what I remember he sought permission to leave and was given it... midnight Aug 2012 #36
Criminals Lie. That's why you have sworn court proceedings. msanthrope Aug 2012 #37
So he's a 'criminal' now? When was he convicted? And what are/were the charges? sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #38
Sabrina, obviously no one can make you read the findings of the court. msanthrope Aug 2012 #41
And no one can convince you that to be a criminal, you first have to be charged, then tried sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #42
Is Mr. Bush not a criminal? Well, then Assange is not a criminal to you. nt msanthrope Aug 2012 #43
Are you serious? sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #44
Well, then we agree on something! Without charge, trial, or conviction, a person can be a criminal. msanthrope Aug 2012 #46
Yes. As president he had the law rewritten after he was guilty of breaking them... midnight Aug 2012 #47
... Garzon said he had no idea what was going on in the US ... struggle4progress Aug 2012 #5
"Judge"Garzon???? Not anymore. What a match for Assange. nt msanthrope Aug 2012 #8
US & Spain's chief prosecutor discussed how to force Garzón hand into dropping investigation of US Hissyspit Aug 2012 #10
He wiretapped prisoners speaking with their attorneys. That's his conviction. msanthrope Aug 2012 #12
prisoners or criminals? n/t AlphaCentauri Aug 2012 #13
Does it matter? You can't illegally wiretap a person and their attorney. nt msanthrope Aug 2012 #14
The attorneys were suspected of being involved in the massive fraud which was the sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #27
You want to defend political prosecutions against anyone who goes after crimes from sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #15
The Gurtel case was about bribery and corruption, not terrorism. msanthrope Aug 2012 #16
I do not defend wire-tapping at, but I have not seen you object to it sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #18
Sabrina I have no doubt you read my post upthread where I objected to it. msanthrope Aug 2012 #20
No, he got the smackdown which was initiated by the supporters of War Criminals sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #22
Kindly tell me which judge of the 7 is a supporter of 'War Criminals?' msanthrope Aug 2012 #24
I don't need to tell you about any of those judges. Many people, far more informed than I sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #26
Sounds to me like he got exactly what he deserved for colluding with Prosecutors against a msanthrope Aug 2012 #29
Yes, 'Conservative judges' sort of like our own SC ruling on Gore V Bush. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #30
Which decision? The one convicting him, or the one acquitting him? msanthrope Aug 2012 #31
The one that selected him for prosecution. See my post above. You didn't answer the question sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #33
Well, why would you prosecute the prosecutors when they didn't msanthrope Aug 2012 #34
Garzon was responsible for acting on the information given to him which he did. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #39
Okay...it's all a big plot then...nt msanthrope Aug 2012 #40
Selective prosecution, pushed by the Far Right against a hugely respected Human Rights sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #45
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