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In reply to the discussion: Spain's Judge Garzon Says U.S. Secretly Working to Have Wikileaks Founder Tried There [View all]sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)26. I don't need to tell you about any of those judges. Many people, far more informed than I
or you about Spain's judiciary have explained what happened to Garvon.
From Democracy Now, from one such individual, of whom there are many:
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/2/10/spanish_judge_baltasar_garzn_disbarred_in|
Spanish Judge Garzón Disbarred in Trial Seen as Retaliation for Trailblazing Human Rights Work
AMY GOODMAN: ......
Well, to talk more about the ruling against Judge Garzón, were joined by Reed Brody, counsel and spokesperson for Human Rights Watch in Brussels. He was observing Garzóns trial in Madrid, is now with us in New York.
Can you just tell us what happened?
REED BRODY: Sure. Well, as you said, there were three cases against Garzón. I mean, this was a concerted effort by his enemies within the conservative Spanish judiciary essentially to get rid of him. And the first case, accusing him of failing to apply Spains amnesty law, got such a bad reaction internationally, but other cases were leapfrogged in front of that.
And in this case, he ordered that the alleged ringleaders of a massive corruption scandalover 120 million euros, $180 million, involving payoffs within the now-ruling Popular Partyhe ordered that the defendants be wiretapped, because, allegedly, the lawyers, who were in conversation with them, were laundering the money. And in fact, one of the lawyers was actually indicted for money laundering. He ordered the wiretaps on the recommendation of a prosecutor. When the case was moved to another jurisdiction, the new prosecutor recommended the wiretaps, and the new judge continued the wiretaps. And despite the fact that one of the lawyers was in fact indicted for laundering the proceeds of this scandal, the wiretaps were quashed. Thats OK. What then happened, though, is that he was actually prosecuted by the defendants. And the conservative judiciary accepted the case, and he has now been convicted of having abused his authority by ordering these wiretaps.
JUAN GONZALEZ: Well, I mean, it almost seems that as long as he was willing to deal with cases internationally, that it was OK by the Spanish judiciary. But as soon as he began to look at the Franco regime, the atrocities of the Franco regime, or begin to zero in on possible corruption within his own government, suddenly they went out to get him.
REED BRODY: Well, he has made a lot of enemies, particularly in the Popular Party. But also, lets not forget that he hadhis actions resulted in the indictment of a Socialist Interior Ministry for supporting death squads in the Basque country. So he had made enemies on both sides of the spectrum. And this was really a concerted effort to cut him down to size, whicha massive attack on the independence of the judiciary and on a very brave judge.
Well, to talk more about the ruling against Judge Garzón, were joined by Reed Brody, counsel and spokesperson for Human Rights Watch in Brussels. He was observing Garzóns trial in Madrid, is now with us in New York.
Can you just tell us what happened?
REED BRODY: Sure. Well, as you said, there were three cases against Garzón. I mean, this was a concerted effort by his enemies within the conservative Spanish judiciary essentially to get rid of him. And the first case, accusing him of failing to apply Spains amnesty law, got such a bad reaction internationally, but other cases were leapfrogged in front of that.
And in this case, he ordered that the alleged ringleaders of a massive corruption scandalover 120 million euros, $180 million, involving payoffs within the now-ruling Popular Partyhe ordered that the defendants be wiretapped, because, allegedly, the lawyers, who were in conversation with them, were laundering the money. And in fact, one of the lawyers was actually indicted for money laundering. He ordered the wiretaps on the recommendation of a prosecutor. When the case was moved to another jurisdiction, the new prosecutor recommended the wiretaps, and the new judge continued the wiretaps. And despite the fact that one of the lawyers was in fact indicted for laundering the proceeds of this scandal, the wiretaps were quashed. Thats OK. What then happened, though, is that he was actually prosecuted by the defendants. And the conservative judiciary accepted the case, and he has now been convicted of having abused his authority by ordering these wiretaps.
JUAN GONZALEZ: Well, I mean, it almost seems that as long as he was willing to deal with cases internationally, that it was OK by the Spanish judiciary. But as soon as he began to look at the Franco regime, the atrocities of the Franco regime, or begin to zero in on possible corruption within his own government, suddenly they went out to get him.
REED BRODY: Well, he has made a lot of enemies, particularly in the Popular Party. But also, lets not forget that he hadhis actions resulted in the indictment of a Socialist Interior Ministry for supporting death squads in the Basque country. So he had made enemies on both sides of the spectrum. And this was really a concerted effort to cut him down to size, whicha massive attack on the independence of the judiciary and on a very brave judge.
So tell me, why were the two Prosecutors, the one whose advice Garzon followed and the one who upheld the wire-taps not prosecuted? Apparently considering the involvement of the lawyers in the corruption, those wire-taps were legal. It was the fact that they were implicated, that Garzon and two others approved of the wire-taps.
A clear case of the Far Right going after a courageous Judge who would not stop exposing and prosecuting War Criminals.
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Hissyspit
Aug 2012
OP
You're so right, who did he think he was publishing facts, imitating real journalism, which everyone
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#4
We are such a great democracy. Secret juries hiding behind closed doors trying to figure out a way
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#3
Probably because they are searching for a crime. They have a person but no crime and they want to
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#7
"The Founding Fathers who wrote the Constitution must be rolling over in their graves."
msanthrope
Aug 2012
#11
I was not talking about how they felt about Grand Juries being used appropriately.
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#17
Yeah--Judith Miller though that being a journalist would protect her--so she leaked the news of an
msanthrope
Aug 2012
#19
How is it you are unfamiliar with what this GJ is investigating? House's subpeona has been online
msanthrope
Aug 2012
#23
Assange did not flee Sweden's jurisdiction. You need to educate yourself about this case.
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#25
Sabrina, the Belmarsh court made a finding of fact that he did flee. You can't have your own facts.
msanthrope
Aug 2012
#28
So he's a 'criminal' now? When was he convicted? And what are/were the charges?
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#38
And no one can convince you that to be a criminal, you first have to be charged, then tried
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#42
Well, then we agree on something! Without charge, trial, or conviction, a person can be a criminal.
msanthrope
Aug 2012
#46
Yes. As president he had the law rewritten after he was guilty of breaking them...
midnight
Aug 2012
#47
US & Spain's chief prosecutor discussed how to force Garzón hand into dropping investigation of US
Hissyspit
Aug 2012
#10
He wiretapped prisoners speaking with their attorneys. That's his conviction.
msanthrope
Aug 2012
#12
The attorneys were suspected of being involved in the massive fraud which was the
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#27
You want to defend political prosecutions against anyone who goes after crimes from
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#15
No, he got the smackdown which was initiated by the supporters of War Criminals
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#22
I don't need to tell you about any of those judges. Many people, far more informed than I
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#26
Sounds to me like he got exactly what he deserved for colluding with Prosecutors against a
msanthrope
Aug 2012
#29
The one that selected him for prosecution. See my post above. You didn't answer the question
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#33
Garzon was responsible for acting on the information given to him which he did.
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#39
Selective prosecution, pushed by the Far Right against a hugely respected Human Rights
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#45