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In reply to the discussion: Spain's Judge Garzon Says U.S. Secretly Working to Have Wikileaks Founder Tried There [View all]msanthrope
(37,549 posts)11. "The Founding Fathers who wrote the Constitution must be rolling over in their graves."
"The Founding Fathers who wrote the Constitution must be rolling over in their graves."
What Founding Fathers would those be, Sabrina?
The ones who voted in the Grand Jury clause in the 5th amendment of the United States Constitution?
Madison, who famously offered the Grand Jury clause in his slate of amendments on June 8, 1789?
Can you name a single Anti-Federalist without looking them up?
Which "Founding Father?"
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Spain's Judge Garzon Says U.S. Secretly Working to Have Wikileaks Founder Tried There [View all]
Hissyspit
Aug 2012
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You're so right, who did he think he was publishing facts, imitating real journalism, which everyone
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#4
We are such a great democracy. Secret juries hiding behind closed doors trying to figure out a way
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#3
Probably because they are searching for a crime. They have a person but no crime and they want to
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#7
"The Founding Fathers who wrote the Constitution must be rolling over in their graves."
msanthrope
Aug 2012
#11
I was not talking about how they felt about Grand Juries being used appropriately.
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#17
Yeah--Judith Miller though that being a journalist would protect her--so she leaked the news of an
msanthrope
Aug 2012
#19
How is it you are unfamiliar with what this GJ is investigating? House's subpeona has been online
msanthrope
Aug 2012
#23
Assange did not flee Sweden's jurisdiction. You need to educate yourself about this case.
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#25
Sabrina, the Belmarsh court made a finding of fact that he did flee. You can't have your own facts.
msanthrope
Aug 2012
#28
So he's a 'criminal' now? When was he convicted? And what are/were the charges?
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#38
And no one can convince you that to be a criminal, you first have to be charged, then tried
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#42
Well, then we agree on something! Without charge, trial, or conviction, a person can be a criminal.
msanthrope
Aug 2012
#46
Yes. As president he had the law rewritten after he was guilty of breaking them...
midnight
Aug 2012
#47
US & Spain's chief prosecutor discussed how to force Garzón hand into dropping investigation of US
Hissyspit
Aug 2012
#10
He wiretapped prisoners speaking with their attorneys. That's his conviction.
msanthrope
Aug 2012
#12
The attorneys were suspected of being involved in the massive fraud which was the
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#27
You want to defend political prosecutions against anyone who goes after crimes from
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#15
No, he got the smackdown which was initiated by the supporters of War Criminals
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#22
I don't need to tell you about any of those judges. Many people, far more informed than I
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#26
Sounds to me like he got exactly what he deserved for colluding with Prosecutors against a
msanthrope
Aug 2012
#29
The one that selected him for prosecution. See my post above. You didn't answer the question
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#33
Garzon was responsible for acting on the information given to him which he did.
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#39
Selective prosecution, pushed by the Far Right against a hugely respected Human Rights
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#45