Reply #32

they seem to think that Gun rights are also natural rights. Of course, you couldn't have gun rights if there were no guns could you?

My view is if it's a natural right, we should have had that right from the being of civilization, and everyone should have seen it.

of course, we didn't, and no one did until 250 years ago, so it isn't a natural right. We have to fight for it all the time. Even today, there are still people trying to stop other people from speaking their mind.

I also didn't say it was the government that these rights came from, it was the people setting up governments to protect these rights. if the government doesn't allow the rights the people want, then they have every right to overthrow that government.

As far as China, I was using it as an example of a country that does not allow free speech, even today, so it cannot possibly be a "natural right" that everyone sees.

Personally, I believe in freedom of speach. I don't agree with some things people say, but they should have a right to say it.

I just don't think it's a "natural right" as explained above. Besides which, there's a long page on Wikipedia about discussions about natural rights. not every philosopher agrees there is such a thing. Edmund Burke, to pharaphrase, called it "hogwash."

oh, and the guy should have been evicted from the game and not allowed back in to anythinghome for A.being an ass and
B.being a fucking moron. (NAZIs would have though of him as trash)