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21. It's up to whoever is judging speech to define these things.

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 05:16 PM

Aug 2012

Many conservatives believe that liberal ideas "cause societal harms." So who is to judge which speech should be acceptable? Do you really want people being punished for political views?

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Man who gave Nazi salute at a basketball match fined £2,500 [View all] Judi Lynn Aug 2012 OP

good he was fined riverbendviewgal Aug 2012 #1

I am just thankful Missycim Aug 2012 #67

A Nazi salute is not a stupid expression - it is an EVIL one riverbendviewgal Aug 2012 #73

+++ 1,000,000 +++ and then some more +++ n/t RKP5637 Aug 2012 #76

Does the salute physically Missycim Aug 2012 #79

Jail for lifting his hand, good grief Liber T. Anjustis Aug 2012 #85

Censorship is never right. Pacafishmate Aug 2012 #86

Their country, their rules. bluestateguy Aug 2012 #2

It is hate and harassment jonthebru Aug 2012 #7

The judge did right for their laws Renew Deal Aug 2012 #9

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Aug 2012 #64

This is correct Renew Deal Aug 2012 #65

Hooo-BOY! Iggo Aug 2012 #3

I dunno. Scootaloo Aug 2012 #6

How about a few fines for being a liberal? Renew Deal Aug 2012 #10

Okay, let's try that. Scootaloo Aug 2012 #13

It's up to whoever is judging speech to define these things. Renew Deal Aug 2012 #21

So you believe the strictures regarding bigotry in Europe are totally arbitrary? Scootaloo Aug 2012 #23

1st amendment Renew Deal Aug 2012 #26

No, you're not answering the question Scootaloo Aug 2012 #48

Constitutional Protection RobinA Aug 2012 #50

Fair enough Scootaloo Aug 2012 #54

Depends on how it is worded John Frum Aug 2012 #62

How is racism comparable to Liberalism? Ash_F Aug 2012 #47

Both are Ideologies RobinA Aug 2012 #51

Not comparable in the way you described at all. Ash_F Aug 2012 #53

Being escorted into a 'free speech zone' some years ago allowed me to realize LanternWaste Aug 2012 #61

Until I read the context, I thought the punishment went too far. Bucky Aug 2012 #4

Every soveriegn country has the right to draw the line between hate speech and free speech. grantcart Aug 2012 #8

"Every soveriegn country has the right" ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #68

It is inherent in the word soveriegn. grantcart Aug 2012 #69

So, rights come from labels? nt ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #70

Meaning comes from words grantcart Aug 2012 #71

My interest in talking with you wasn't to tell other countries what to do. ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #72

There is no totally objective view of human rights grantcart Aug 2012 #74

"There is no totally objective view of human rights" ZombieHorde Aug 2012 #78

Seems you've been listening to Right wing talking points Confusious Aug 2012 #14

Are you really arguing that the Declaration of Independence is right wing talking points? Bucky Aug 2012 #28

No, I wasn't saying that Confusious Aug 2012 #32

I see where you're coming from. Bucky Aug 2012 #39

Sorry abut the right wing thing Confusious Aug 2012 #42

I believe the idea is that the rights were given at birth and taken away by governments/people Tunkamerica Aug 2012 #60

Maybe you should review what the discussion was about Confusious Aug 2012 #66

I believe there's a basic misunderstanding here. Tunkamerica Aug 2012 #81

If you capture a wild animal does it not try to escape? Confusious Aug 2012 #82

The Declaration of Independence is not the Constitution Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #84

"Most Muslim countries you can be charged with blasphemy" FiveGoodMen Aug 2012 #30

No Confusious Aug 2012 #33

If you don't believe there are any natural rights FiveGoodMen Aug 2012 #35

I disapprove of people taking drugs Confusious Aug 2012 #44

racist pig Liberal_in_LA Aug 2012 #5

Not suprising. secondvariety Aug 2012 #11

Free speech shouldn't be an American thing 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #12

Most countries in Europe Confusious Aug 2012 #15

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Aug 2012 #18

I don't understand your sarcasm. Bucky Aug 2012 #29

I know 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #20

And most countries in Europe suck Ter Aug 2012 #38

"Their country, their rules"... Iggo Aug 2012 #17

I get it and I won't spit on the street in Singapore 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #19

If the Olympics were held in Germany, the punishment would be 100X severe. Great Caesars Ghost Aug 2012 #22

You betcha. Iggo Aug 2012 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author devilgrrl Aug 2012 #16

It had a puppet regime, that some still sympathise with muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #24

wow...Even Di Canio got a 10k fine Blue_Tires Aug 2012 #25

why? FunnyChris Aug 2012 #27

Well, don't expect a guy making the nazi salute to be terribly sensible. Bucky Aug 2012 #31

Over 50,000 Lithuanians fought for Germany in WWII hack89 Aug 2012 #43

So that's the way bigots celebrate. Dont call me Shirley Aug 2012 #36

Didn't Hitler copy that salute from Mussolini? Ter Aug 2012 #37

Syrians use that salute today may3rd Aug 2012 #40

And the facists adpopted it from artwork and movies Kaleva Aug 2012 #41

Its not a nazi salute.. and-justice-for-all Aug 2012 #45

Yeah, I'm sure he was emulating the Romans. Iggo Aug 2012 #46

I was just pointing out the historical aspects of the salute... and-justice-for-all Aug 2012 #56

Interestingly, RobinA Aug 2012 #52

LOL...oh yeah..nt and-justice-for-all Aug 2012 #55

OK. It is just the salute used by the NAZIs panzerfaust Aug 2012 #83

He's lucky the fashion police weren't there. GreatCaesarsGhost Aug 2012 #49

Always amusing to see people turn against the First Amendment Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #57

Oh my Kurovski Aug 2012 #58

The Firsr Amendment does not protect you from a slander lawsuit (nt) Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #59

Less amusing when nuanced discussion of it is minimized and petulantly interpreted as opposition LanternWaste Aug 2012 #63

Dumbass fascisthunter Aug 2012 #75

I think the guy is a real asshat but is it illegal to be an asshat? nt JoshRuiz94 Aug 2012 #77

The freak with the red and black perm should be fined as well Ter Aug 2012 #80