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In the discussion thread: ACLU attorney: Blocking Chick-fil-A over gay marriage 'viewpoint discrimination' [View all]

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 04:11 PM

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7. chick-fil-a doesn't have seating segregated on the basis of sexual orientation

i haven't been following this one too closely, but i thought this was all about some bigotted statements the owner made, not that the restaurants themselves discriminate.

if so, politicians are encouraged not to woo the business with tax cuts or anything like that, but the bureaucrats are obligated to do whatever the government is supposed to do in terms of granting permits and what not.

this is one of those "nazis in skokie" kind of cases. however heinous they may be, the rights they exercise belong to all of us, and we curtail them at our own risk.

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ACLU attorney: Blocking Chick-fil-A over gay marriage 'viewpoint discrimination' [View all]	hack89	Jul 2012	OP
So...	GrantDem	Jul 2012	#1
Are you kidding	atreides1	Jul 2012	#5
They also defended Rush Limbaugh when he was going through his painkiller addiction.	JoeInNy	Jul 2012	#43
Yep	iamthebandfanman	Jul 2012	#71
and Ollie North	mahatmakanejeeves	Jul 2012	#142
After the ACLU agreed with the Citizens United decision	hack89	Jul 2012	#15
I know I have	wordpix	Jul 2012	#115
ACLU who ??	blkmusclmachine	Jul 2012	#127
Yes, that's why I stopped giving money to them	Joe Bacon	Jul 2012	#147
Like any other issue/belief	iamthebandfanman	Jul 2012	#69
The hole I see in that argument are the segregated lunch counters of the 60's.	Lint Head	Jul 2012	#2
chick-fil-a doesn't have seating segregated on the basis of sexual orientation	unblock	Jul 2012	#7
I agree. Chick-fil-a can support whatever whacko stance they want ....	marble falls	Jul 2012	#136
exactly. we can protest. politicians can write letters and encourage them to change or keep away.	unblock	Jul 2012	#137
I am glad to see this reaction.	Sterling	Aug 2012	#173
I don't understand the comparison n/t	Enrique	Jul 2012	#26
uh, that's a very poor comparison.	cali	Jul 2012	#126
if the owner of burger king	MrDiaz	Jul 2012	#3
I don't feel we owe equal consideration for the enemy. nt	Deep13	Jul 2012	#13
Well, that's how the Constitution works.	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#24
Fine, but I have no reason to defend the rights of bigots.	Deep13	Jul 2012	#32
OK	MrDiaz	Jul 2012	#41
Geez, we don't like RepubliCONs and say so all the time, what's the difference here?	xtraxritical	Jul 2012	#65
Actually, in our society, you should defend their rights.	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#44
(always sorry to see DUers miss this point.)	annabanana	Jul 2012	#129
See #48. n/t	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#54
You have EVERY reason to defend their rights. The cure for hate speech	annabanana	Jul 2012	#131
+1	treestar	Jul 2012	#153
Yep. Defending bigots is not my problem.	closeupready	Aug 2012	#169
+1 :)	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Jul 2012	#72
I know exactly what to tell her/him....	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#74
That's what I thought. :) n/t	discntnt_irny_srcsm	Jul 2012	#99
Sort of like when Fox "News" discusses whether accused terrorists deserve civil rights?	Faryn Balyncd	Jul 2012	#27
Um, no. Locking people up for years on end with no trial and subjecting them to torture	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#28
The issue is whether or not bad people, or those accused of being bad, have civil & economic rights.	Faryn Balyncd	Jul 2012	#36
And I would argue that those who attempt to deny others their basic rights	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#45
I think you make a good point. Chick-fil-A is engaged in	RKP5637	Jul 2012	#81
chick-fil-A is not engaged in discrimination.	grok	Jul 2012	#92
Not directly	atreides1	Aug 2012	#176
They didn't discriminate	Missycim	Jul 2012	#121
I have no idea how that relates to this story. nt	Deep13	Jul 2012	#34
Do bad people have rights?	Faryn Balyncd	Jul 2012	#39
Well, the rich ones do.	Deep13	Jul 2012	#51
Do you understand how the Constitution works? The GOVERNMENT cannot	kelly1mm	Jul 2012	#33
Not my problem.	Deep13	Jul 2012	#35
If you don't believe it's important to defend the rights of others, even when you disagree with them	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#48
OoooH! Big bad bogeyman comin' to getch'a if you don't support Chick-fil-A!	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#61
Thanks for spinning. Now, please respond to what I was actually saying. Or not... n/t	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#62
I believe I've already answered that question many times, but what the hell?	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#67
Errr, I am not aware that the busines itself, as in each actual eating establishment...	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#70
As has now been mentioned several times on this thread	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#75
Now we're getting somewhere, I hadn't seen that earlier.	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#82
O.K., on further review, I'm not seeing what you seem to be implying.	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#139
Really? How many married gay couples do you see in those videos?	Downtown Hound	Aug 2012	#188
What other rights does he forfeit?	treestar	Jul 2012	#154
He's already in business	Downtown Hound	Aug 2012	#186
Dear Deep 13 I want to thank you for offering so many opportunities	annabanana	Jul 2012	#132
That's gonna leave a mark.... n/t	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#140
They can and do discriminate against moral views	Major Nikon	Jul 2012	#123
Boston and Chicago officials are only voicing opinions.	Deep13	Aug 2012	#168
Something the freeps would say...	liberallibral	Aug 2012	#177
Hey ACLU, I love you. And kindly STFU.	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#4
huh?	arely staircase	Jul 2012	#6
Um yeah, actually it is	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#11
are you the government? that is who the aclu is talking about	arely staircase	Jul 2012	#18
As I pointed out in my example, the "government" in this case is often acting is coordination	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#20
using government powers	arely staircase	Jul 2012	#95
As much as I want to agree with you...	primavera	Jul 2012	#104
No one is shutting Chick-fil-A down	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#110
There is a difference between boycotting and banning an opponent from exercising their rights.	Faryn Balyncd	Jul 2012	#9
Did somebody say that the Chick-fil-A CEO doesn't have a legal right to express his opinion?	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#14
"Saying no to a company" because of political views is fundamentally different from saying no to...	Faryn Balyncd	Jul 2012	#17
Ah, and I guess Chick-fil-A's CEO donating millions of dollars to Christian anti-gay	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#19
Why not revoke the business licenses of all businesses whose owners donate to the Republican Party?	Faryn Balyncd	Jul 2012	#23
LOL. Sounds like a good idea to me.	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#25
So donating to a malignant organization whose members include a few dissenters "isn't enough of a...	Faryn Balyncd	Jul 2012	#31
So you've now defined the Republican Party as a malignant organization.	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#38
Perhaps our time would be better spent fighting for justice WITHOUT adopting the tactics of...	Faryn Balyncd	Jul 2012	#50
LOL. I'll tell you what	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#57
So if the local governmet was against marriage equality and a company made it very clear	kelly1mm	Jul 2012	#37
A CEO donating millions of dollars to anti-gay causes falls under business practices that violate	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#42
Since Heller has defined the right to a firearm as an individual civil right, should	kelly1mm	Jul 2012	#52
Who the fuck is Heller?	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#53
USSC case of DC v. Heller. Here is a link:	kelly1mm	Jul 2012	#55
Okay, gun control is kind of a broad issue, don't you think?	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#58
Assume for argument's sake that some CEO was for a total ban on all handguns. Would you then	kelly1mm	Jul 2012	#63
Okay, let's assume for some totally pointless sake and for no other reason than appeasing	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#66
Spin, Spin....	joeglow3	Aug 2012	#175
Lame, lame. n/t	Downtown Hound	Aug 2012	#189
Let me ask you this:	Hassin Bin Sober	Jul 2012	#47
Yes, a pattern of violating the law in hiring (or other) business practices may be a valid reason...	Faryn Balyncd	Jul 2012	#64
Good enough.	Hassin Bin Sober	Jul 2012	#85
Deliberatly mis-representing the very first sentence of the article doesn't help your argument.	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#141
Are you honestly trying to tell me that donating to right wing Christian causes	Downtown Hound	Aug 2012	#187
So if the owner of a chicken shack openly supports gay marriage	TheKentuckian	Jul 2012	#149
Bravo n/t	SylviaD	Jul 2012	#163
Bravo Twice!	Redford	Jul 2012	#164
Yeah,	iamthebandfanman	Jul 2012	#73
Nobody's forcing them on anything	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#77
Examiner? Really?	geardaddy	Jul 2012	#8
But the ACLU quotes are accurate. nt	hack89	Jul 2012	#12
"ACLU Defends Nazis' Right To Burn Down ACLU Headquarters"	Deep13	Jul 2012	#10
Who Said	FrodosPet	Jul 2012	#128
Well said!	Llewlladdwr	Jul 2012	#156
I don't eat chicken, alright if I boycott Chick-fil-A?	Downwinder	Jul 2012	#16
OK so the owner is	nykym	Jul 2012	#21
Dear ACLU, as much as I love you 98% of the time, this is one of those times you're wrong...	truebrit71	Jul 2012	#22
No they are not wrong.	zeemike	Jul 2012	#30
I'm not too worried about this edge.	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#78
that is the same reasoning that gave us the patriot act	zeemike	Jul 2012	#105
So denying a homophobic business permission to open up a store is now the same thing	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#114
Well that is what you don't understand about principal.	zeemike	Jul 2012	#116
I just have a different interpretation of principals than you	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#117
does this help you understand my point?	zeemike	Jul 2012	#119
No	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#122
That was not intended to be the exact same example.	zeemike	Jul 2012	#134
If you don't like being compared to Faux News, stop taking their side. n/t	Downtown Hound	Aug 2012	#184
Aw yes the old "you are either with us or against us"	zeemike	Aug 2012	#190
Fuck independent thought	Downtown Hound	Aug 2012	#191
Yes then I am against you	zeemike	Aug 2012	#192
LOL. Do me a favor, go and say that to a group of gay people that aren't even allowed to have legal	Downtown Hound	Aug 2012	#197
Say what?	zeemike	Aug 2012	#198
Protesting a chicken sandwich will do nothing	Downtown Hound	Aug 2012	#199
Hey it DID happen without me.	zeemike	Aug 2012	#200
Your idea of fairness is what's warped	Downtown Hound	Aug 2012	#201
Well perhaps I should just tuck my tail in and slink away from here	zeemike	Aug 2012	#202
hey if you want to leave, buh bye.	Downtown Hound	Aug 2012	#203
Well I guess you don't get sarcasm ether.	zeemike	Aug 2012	#206
So you're now equating a business that supports the environment with eco-terrorists?	Downtown Hound	Aug 2012	#207
Well your business that supports the environment	zeemike	Aug 2012	#208
Let's just cut to the chase	Downtown Hound	Aug 2012	#212
Does life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness mean nothing to you?	zeemike	Aug 2012	#213
So in other words, no, you can't point out any constitutional amendment	Downtown Hound	Aug 2012	#214
I have no illusions that I will ever convince you of anything.	zeemike	Aug 2012	#215
Um, yeah, you go right ahead and pat yourself on the back about	Downtown Hound	Aug 2012	#216
It is rare to see an independent thinker as a hero.	zeemike	Aug 2012	#217
Yes they are. They are an organisation that supports bigotry.	truebrit71	Jul 2012	#160
Well pardon me but it is not the end of the story at all.	zeemike	Jul 2012	#165
Boston and Chicago have a right to grant (or not) building permits..	truebrit71	Jul 2012	#166
Well indeed they do have that right.	zeemike	Jul 2012	#167
What is the law that says "It is illegal to discriminate based on sex,	COLGATE4	Aug 2012	#179
This one..	truebrit71	Aug 2012	#180
That's only the law in Illinois, not other states.	COLGATE4	Aug 2012	#193
There is nothing you can point to that	COLGATE4	Aug 2012	#194
Remember that next time Jackson MS works on banning some company for it's pro-choice message	4th law of robotics	Jul 2012	#158
I agree with the ACLU	JoeyT	Jul 2012	#29
Me too!	NeverEnuff	Jul 2012	#46
+1 Apparently, some people don't get the whole "Constitution thing" n/t	RufusTFirefly	Jul 2012	#68
Government can regulate commerce. It's in The Constitution. Look it up.	Hassin Bin Sober	Jul 2012	#89
Lets say a business was pro gay marriage?	Travis_0004	Jul 2012	#102
Watch this and let me know what you think.	Hassin Bin Sober	Jul 2012	#103
I say let them expand to those states.	JoeyT	Jul 2012	#124
Yes, but it can't regulate speech (except within very	COLGATE4	Aug 2012	#196
And many	Bellerophon	Jul 2012	#90
As much as I hate their bigotry, I agree with the ACLU	Matariki	Jul 2012	#40
What about when the CEO has a pattern of transferring his religious opinions to business practices?	Hassin Bin Sober	Jul 2012	#56
There are appropriate labor laws to address such issues. nt	hack89	Jul 2012	#59
And there's the right of local governments to not allow them to do business there.	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#76
So a local government has the "right" to deny a license to pro-choice corporation?	hack89	Jul 2012	#80
See post# 83	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#84
governments dont have rights	arely staircase	Jul 2012	#101
And yet, Arcata continues to do it	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#113
No they can't	treestar	Jul 2012	#155
Gay people are a protected class under law	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#83
But how is expressing an opinion of marriage equality violating anyone's rights?	hack89	Jul 2012	#87
Donating millions of dollars to anti-gay groups	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#88
But if they hire gay workers and serve gay customers whose rights are being violated?	hack89	Jul 2012	#96
No, you don't have to do something illegal	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#108
It is a two edge sword you are swinging there	hack89	Jul 2012	#109
LOL. Conservatives have been coming after my sacred oxen for years	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#112
How is it you don't get that all chains are being treated exactly the same	TheKentuckian	Jul 2012	#150
How is it that you don't understand that cities can zone however they want?	Downtown Hound	Aug 2012	#185
ACLU: defenders of Rush Limbaugh's "privacy", Citizens United, Nazi marches in Skokie	bluestateguy	Jul 2012	#49
What you advocate is more oppressive than those you denigrate	askeptic	Jul 2012	#138
OMG, that is insane	Vattel	Jul 2012	#60
I had this discussion with a friend of a Facebook friend...	Not Me	Jul 2012	#79
Indeed... n/t	PoliticAverse	Jul 2012	#86
Because one is based on their religion and the other is based on their ACTIONS.	Hassin Bin Sober	Jul 2012	#91
Hassin, you are right	Not Me	Jul 2012	#93
What 'practices'?	randome	Jul 2012	#94
Watch this and let me know if it changes your view of CF?	Hassin Bin Sober	Jul 2012	#98
My opnion of Chick-Fil-A is not a good one.	randome	Jul 2012	#106
Has there been evidence of CF discrimination against gay employees or customers?	mainer	Jul 2012	#120
So bigots have rights too; they are still bigots	SkatmanRoth	Jul 2012	#97
This isn't going to be popular, but I'm prepared for that	jmowreader	Jul 2012	#100
OR Every gay in town could show up every day. Buy ONE CUP OF TEA and spend hours	annabanana	Jul 2012	#133
On edit: WHAT wait staff?	jmowreader	Jul 2012	#148
No, tea is to high a profit margin. I'd bet they make more off a tea than anything.	TheKentuckian	Jul 2012	#151
I find it most disconcerting that there are so many people here on DU who don't believe in freedom	Douglas Carpenter	Jul 2012	#107
I'm suspecting there's bunches of	annabanana	Jul 2012	#130
I don't think they are intentionally trolling and even I don't agree with the ACLU 100% of the time	Douglas Carpenter	Jul 2012	#143
Yes indeed.	NoGOPZone	Jul 2012	#146
ACLU does the right thing again	Riftaxe	Jul 2012	#111
Gay marriage supporter here, but I must agree with the ACLU on this.	mainer	Jul 2012	#118
Community Standards	guneydomuz	Jul 2012	#125
Fracking, alcohol, nuclear power plants, firework makers, bars, guns and ammo, landfills, refineries	part man all 86	Jul 2012	#135
They aren't talking restricting restaurants, chicken places, fried chicken shacks, sandwich shops	TheKentuckian	Jul 2012	#152
Those are practices or types of companies	4th law of robotics	Jul 2012	#159
Free speech exist specifically to protect opinions we loathe	Douglas Carpenter	Jul 2012	#144
100% Right	cthulu2016	Jul 2012	#145
+1	4th law of robotics	Jul 2012	#157
I agree with the ACLU. Democrats stand for free speech n/t	SylviaD	Jul 2012	#161
agreed, and when it comes to boycott, has anybody ever really found one of those places ?	may3rd	Jul 2012	#162
That looks photoshopped	4th law of robotics	Aug 2012	#170
I hate it when I'm wrong.	Bucky	Aug 2012	#171
They, He, can say whatever the fuck he wants...	and-justice-for-all	Aug 2012	#172
I think the cities should let the chick fil a restaurants set up shop there and fail.	alp227	Aug 2012	#174
Well what about our new Du members	goclark	Aug 2012	#178
Municipalities have the right to zone any way they like.	Odin2005	Aug 2012	#181
So even if a company meets every legal requirement	hack89	Aug 2012	#182
Thank you. A voice of reason	Downtown Hound	Aug 2012	#183
Not true. Overly restrictive zoning measures,	COLGATE4	Aug 2012	#195
Zoning to exclude one specific business as opposed to all similar businesses would be begging...	slackmaster	Aug 2012	#204
What if a company meets all the requirements of the zoning laws?	hack89	Aug 2012	#209
Deny them a permit, saying that they are a threat to land values.	Odin2005	Aug 2012	#210
So make shit up and hope you don't lose in court?	hack89	Aug 2012	#211
Change the view.....	dtom67	Aug 2012	#205

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