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In the discussion thread: Judge: Muslim suspect in deadly US fort rampage could be forcibly shaved before trial [View all]

Response to Terrillary (Reply #12)

Wed Jul 25, 2012, 10:18 PM

uppityperson (74,020 posts)

44. I disagree with that. However, as he is military, that is a big loss of being able to do what you

want. Including wearing a beard.

But no. People who kill random people don't lose ass their freedoms.

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87 replies	Author	Time	Post
Judge: Muslim suspect in deadly US fort rampage could be forcibly shaved before trial [View all]	TouchOfGray	Jul 2012	OP
This post was hidden by jury decision.	Missycim	Jul 2012	#1
This forcible shaving is not only petty, but makes the prosecution look religiously motivated	leveymg	Jul 2012	#2
I agree 100%.	elleng	Jul 2012	#3
Quite the opposite	jberryhill	Jul 2012	#4
Good point. nt	Doremus	Jul 2012	#21
True. And he joined the military	treestar	Jul 2012	#85
Could they? Probably.	cstanleytech	Jul 2012	#5
The US Army issued a waiver to a Sikh Officer a few years ago. They can, if they want to.	leveymg	Jul 2012	#8
the Sikh did not commit mass murder	samsingh	Jul 2012	#17
And do you really think that Hasan has gone to his commanding officer	TouchOfGray	Jul 2012	#24
The Sikh asked first probably	Confusious	Jul 2012	#30
So? I said they probably could I didn't they "couldn't".	cstanleytech	Jul 2012	#32
There's a difference between a guy who requests a waiver in order to serve	Codeine	Jul 2012	#39
Sikhs are not allowed to cut their hair ever--as an expression of faith.	MADem	Jul 2012	#53
Please note, the ARMY has special rules as to Sikhs	happyslug	Jul 2012	#76
So it's OK to the rest of the world for a "devout Muslim" to go on a murderous rampage	TouchOfGray	Jul 2012	#6
No matter. We should avoid the appearance of religious persecution or bias.	leveymg	Jul 2012	#10
This is not a civilian trial	jberryhill	Jul 2012	#29
This. He is still a soldier at this point.	LiberalLoner	Jul 2012	#37
His religion is not on trial	Confusious	Jul 2012	#31
He is a soldier, not a civilian	obamanut2012	Jul 2012	#46
He volunteered for the military	4th law of robotics	Jul 2012	#54
I don't think tolerance of the one implicitly expresses tolerance for the other...	LanternWaste	Jul 2012	#65
He's a devout asshole.	Robb	Jul 2012	#7
Was he a devout Muslim with a beard before he went on his rampage? n/t	Control-Z	Jul 2012	#15
Nope	4th law of robotics	Jul 2012	#55
i'm with the military on this one	samsingh	Jul 2012	#18
i hope the death penalty applies in this case	samsingh	Jul 2012	#20
I disagree. He is still in the military so he can damned well follow the rules.	kestrel91316	Jul 2012	#23
My thought exactly sounds like revenge and power to me	gopiscrap	Jul 2012	#28
It is against military regulations	obamanut2012	Jul 2012	#45
He has a US Army commission, and he's being paid commensurate with his rank.	MADem	Jul 2012	#52
The personal grooming and men's fragrance lobby are in the wings of this mental health provider's	bobthedrummer	Jul 2012	#69
disagree .. he is being required to adhere	littlewolf	Jul 2012	#83
maybe Romney could do it	Enrique	Jul 2012	#9
This jerk had no problem shaving...	Stargazer09	Jul 2012	#11
I'm so sorry for you and your friend's loss	leftynyc	Jul 2012	#50
Thank you	Stargazer09	Jul 2012	#78
He lost all his freedoms the day he pulled the trigger.	Terrillary	Jul 2012	#12
agreed	samsingh	Jul 2012	#19
No, he didnt lose them then and he doesnt until hes convicted.	cstanleytech	Jul 2012	#33
Sure he did. He's not walking around free. He's being told what to do and when to do it.	IndyJones	Jul 2012	#86
This isn't about his freedoms. It's about perceptions (right or wrong) that this is about religion.	leveymg	Jul 2012	#41
If the rest of the world	leftynyc	Jul 2012	#51
He didn't have a problem shaving before this	4th law of robotics	Jul 2012	#56
We would grant an exception for our own reasons, not his.	leveymg	Jul 2012	#59
Given that he killed a large number of his comrades in cold-blood and entirely	4th law of robotics	Jul 2012	#60
The political Islam aspect of the crime is why we need to avoid appearance of discrimination,	leveymg	Jul 2012	#61
How is it discrimination to hold him to the exact same standard we'd hold anyone else to	4th law of robotics	Jul 2012	#62
Appearance of mistreatment or unjust treatment is the thing to be avoided.	leveymg	Jul 2012	#64
Letting him keep the beard will prejudice his jury. Its not standard military grooming	riderinthestorm	Jul 2012	#67
I really doubt that's adequate grounds to overturn a conviction. Really, really doubt it.	leveymg	Jul 2012	#70
A beard is not a religious requirement in Islam just like the burqa	riderinthestorm	Jul 2012	#72
The kind of people who would declare jihad	4th law of robotics	Jul 2012	#74
If we let him keep the beard then it WOULD be about religion	riderinthestorm	Jul 2012	#63
I disagree with that. However, as he is military, that is a big loss of being able to do what you	uppityperson	Jul 2012	#44
Several things come to mind...	Old Troop	Jul 2012	#13
Hypocrite.	Ikonoklast	Jul 2012	#14
not shooting innocent people is something i believe in	samsingh	Jul 2012	#16
His ass belongs to the Army until he's discharged or executed	slackmaster	Jul 2012	#22
Yep!	IndyJones	Jul 2012	#87
hire Mitt Romney to attack the guy with scissors, and throw him to the ground for shave nt	msongs	Jul 2012	#25
good one!	spooky3	Jul 2012	#26
Sad to see such a religious bigot...	gregoire	Jul 2012	#27
The judge is a religious bigot? No--the judge is enforcing the same rules every other	msanthrope	Jul 2012	#35
Nothing to do with military regulations? Really? n/t	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#36
Making everyone abide by the same rules is bigotry?	NYC Liberal	Jul 2012	#66
A common slam by those who believe curbing any religious or cultural expression	riderinthestorm	Jul 2012	#68
Yes, we can call out all the bigotry & batshit ideas	NYC Liberal	Jul 2012	#73
The other day I tried to carry my 15 ft stainless steel cross through airport security	4th law of robotics	Jul 2012	#75
A religious freak who slaughtered innocent people claiming to be a victim	alphafemale	Jul 2012	#34
Difficult logic for some folks here, apparently. n/t	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#38
I thought he was quadriplegic (???)	cthulu2016	Jul 2012	#40
Paraplegic. nt	msanthrope	Jul 2012	#58
Help... Where am I???	procon	Jul 2012	#42
I agree with the judge	rollin74	Jul 2012	#43
He chose to join a cult.	truthisfreedom	Jul 2012	#47
This is petty,mean spirited bigotry	mwrguy	Jul 2012	#48
I agree with you and it should not happen....	gopiscrap	Jul 2012	#49
He didn't have any trouble shaving before	4th law of robotics	Jul 2012	#57
And what you just said wasn't?	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#77
He knew the rules when he signed up and allowed	Ruby the Liberal	Jul 2012	#84
probably the greatest injustice in the world today	arely staircase	Jul 2012	#71
sorry but he is military	JCMach1	Jul 2012	#79
Headline is designed for shock value	JustABozoOnThisBus	Jul 2012	#80
not much difference between him and the colorado joker	may3rd	Jul 2012	#81
His faith comes behind his duty. His body is Uncle Sams...	ileus	Jul 2012	#82

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