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4th law of robotics

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180. What a ridiculous notion
Sun Jul 1, 2012, 12:53 PM
Jul 2012

You aren't humans because of your religion =/= you can't treat your babies as if they weren't humans regardless of your religion.

This ruling came out on Monday Mosby Jun 2012 #1
It is being covered in the English-language press now. JackRiddler Jun 2012 #3
BBC News published this on Tuesday - its not LBN dipsydoodle Jun 2012 #77
I'm guessing the judges were were Aryan and Christian? aquart Jun 2012 #55
their foreskins? yurbud Jun 2012 #70
LOL Boxcar Willie Jun 2012 #78
An even nastier thought occurred to me Warpy Jul 2012 #229
Uh oh! RevStPatrick Jun 2012 #2
It's not a binding decision, unfortunately. JackRiddler Jun 2012 #4
Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #22
I'm calling my own parents idiots for having fallen for the propaganda of 1965. JackRiddler Jun 2012 #25
+1000 +++ n/t RKP5637 Jun 2012 #28
So are all Jews and Muslims idiots? Mosby Jun 2012 #39
Certainly not. What a loaded question! JackRiddler Jun 2012 #41
All Jewish males are required to be circumcised Mosby Jun 2012 #49
No, they're not. JackRiddler Jun 2012 #50
The thing about "widespread belief" is that another word for it is RELIGION. aquart Jun 2012 #53
Would you like to excommunicate my friends who didn't circumcise? JackRiddler Jun 2012 #59
So are the champions... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2012 #91
Is this coming from the itty bitty clitty committee? Crunchy Frog Jun 2012 #93
OK, almost all. Mosby Jun 2012 #58
Okay fine. JackRiddler Jun 2012 #61
Did you know that the founder of modern Zionism, Theodor Herzl didn't circumcise his son? Crunchy Frog Jun 2012 #94
You are absolutely incorrect. COLGATE4 Jun 2012 #64
except those who decide not to be reorg Jun 2012 #52
Check out this meaningless distinction. go west young man Jun 2012 #63
I heard about that, tragic Mosby Jun 2012 #66
Interesting recent article from Haaretz. Crunchy Frog Jun 2012 #92
Just because a religion says it's good doesn't make it so 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #157
The bullshit is thick here HankyDub Jun 2012 #76
So you're OK Boxcar Willie Jun 2012 #79
Shame on you for this diversion into propaganda. JackRiddler Jun 2012 #83
50% of your penile skin is/was foreskin? boppers Jun 2012 #100
TMI, but it's at least that much on my sons. And their equipment is pretty standard. Crunchy Frog Jun 2012 #106
No, it's anatomy. Not just mine. JackRiddler Jun 2012 #115
It's because it's two separate layers with a fold over. Sirveri Jun 2012 #116
Here is an interesting comparison with female circumcision. Crunchy Frog Jun 2012 #99
+1! for your pre-emptive defense. snot Jun 2012 #74
Saw this yesterday on DU. Not LBN leveymg Jun 2012 #5
Would be nice to be able to feel all those extra nerve endings. RitchieRich Jun 2012 #6
Little different, female circumcision is akin to having the head of penis cut off, not Lionessa Jun 2012 #8
you are also describing only the most extreme RitchieRich Jun 2012 #24
There is a difference between a piece of skin, and removing a "chunk" of a man. Lionessa Jun 2012 #37
FGM covers a whole spectrum of procedures waddirum Jun 2012 #65
I've never heard any outrage about the second type of female surgery, Lionessa Jun 2012 #67
this is the crux of the whole issue waddirum Jun 2012 #73
It's illegal to do it to a minor in this country. Crunchy Frog Jun 2012 #104
Except for the types that do involve cutting off just a whisp of skin. Crunchy Frog Jun 2012 #103
There's no need for false dichotomies. JackRiddler Jun 2012 #13
That's too bad. I'm atheist, always have been and had my son done for med reasons, Lionessa Jun 2012 #7
I must respectfully disagree.... Swede Atlanta Jun 2012 #9
When the only man I know to have it done later, recommends doing at birth, Lionessa Jun 2012 #15
You obviously have strong personal views on this... Swede Atlanta Jun 2012 #16
As you or perhaps someone pointed out below in reverse, Lionessa Jun 2012 #18
As to the female circumcison remark, Lionessa Jun 2012 #19
You're the one who introduced "that shit comparison." JackRiddler Jun 2012 #20
I Agree With You JackRiddler pmorlan1 Jun 2012 #154
A comparable surgery in a female infant would be hymenotomy Warpy Jul 2012 #228
Actually, it would be removal of the prepuce, just as with the male. Crunchy Frog Jul 2012 #232
I have just the opposite story for you. go west young man Jun 2012 #21
My brother in law not impoverishd and knowing my ex-mother-in-law, there would be Lionessa Jun 2012 #38
It was most likely that fastidiousness that caused the problems. Crunchy Frog Jun 2012 #109
Agreed. My son is a young preschooler and has no issues with being uncirc'd FedUpWithIt All Jun 2012 #122
Yep. Mine are 3 1/2 (twins). Never had it pulled back, never any issues. Crunchy Frog Jun 2012 #129
Imagine if a guy like me, who is uncircumcised, go west young man Jun 2012 #32
Experience is not ridiculous either way, it's just different. Lionessa Jun 2012 #40
I'm gonna call bullshit on ya for a couple of reasons. go west young man Jun 2012 #56
Point by point. Lionessa Jun 2012 #62
Now my refutation of you refutation. go west young man Jun 2012 #69
Your description sounds alot like the labia minora. Crunchy Frog Jun 2012 #108
200 men and you've been with 3 uncirc'd and this makes you an expert? FedUpWithIt All Jun 2012 #123
0-6 vote to Leave It, btw... SidDithers Jun 2012 #124
And i don't suppose you're circ'd FedUpWithIt All Jun 2012 #127
Yes, it used to be a gruesome, grueling rite of passage manhood ritual. aquart Jun 2012 #51
A 'little piece of skin' with more nerve endings than your fingers. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #10
A little more info about what the foreskin does. go west young man Jun 2012 #26
Yah, it is from politically aggressive atheism. harun Jun 2012 #27
Parents don't have that choice in Germany, the court found reorg Jun 2012 #30
Decision is non-binding. Try to keep up. harun Jun 2012 #35
Huh? reorg Jun 2012 #44
Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #80
Should "the family" decide collectively about abortion, as well? closeupready Jun 2012 #96
Babies can't get pregnant, so that analogy doesn't work. Lionessa Jun 2012 #97
But since the surgery is stricly optional for 99% of men, however, closeupready Jun 2012 #101
That was our reasoning as well - TBF Jul 2012 #182
Awesome. I hope this spreads. nt ZombieHorde Jun 2012 #11
And somehow I don't feel grievously bodily-ly injured. Iggo Jun 2012 #12
So you should have had the right to cut off your own when you were an adult. JackRiddler Jun 2012 #14
Amazingly, not every court decision is about you. closeupready Jun 2012 #46
I did not know this was an issue until roody Jun 2012 #17
I was pleasantly surprised reorg Jun 2012 #23
It's debatable if the Oil Age has even progressed from the Stone Age, just say'n. harun Jun 2012 #29
it may depend on where you live n/t reorg Jun 2012 #33
Cherry Picking RitchieRich Jun 2012 #31
Everybody has the right to be circumcised reorg Jun 2012 #34
Except in Texas. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #54
You can beat your children in Texas? n/t reorg Jun 2012 #57
Crap, can't find it and didn't comment or rec. Anyway saw it this morning, Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #68
found it, very depressing indeed reorg Jun 2012 #85
Yeah, funny how that works on this board, isn't it. closeupready Jun 2012 #47
I agree with the court's decision Bohunk68 Jun 2012 #36
Like a bad (or really good?) SNL skit RitchieRich Jun 2012 #43
But this is also a hygiene issue. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #42
The court found that it is not a hygiene issue reorg Jun 2012 #45
No "necessity". boppers Jun 2012 #102
it's neither a necessity nor an improvement reorg Jun 2012 #111
Which all occur at higher rates in the circumcised U.S. than in intact Europe. Crunchy Frog Jun 2012 #114
AIDS rates are about the same in both the US and Europe. happyslug Jun 2012 #121
What has any of this to do with the discussion? reorg Jun 2012 #130
I was responding to the comment aboujt AIDS inflection rates happyslug Jun 2012 #156
Hm? boppers Jun 2012 #137
Maybe Americans fuck more recklessly and more frequently without condoms. Crunchy Frog Jun 2012 #140
It's not a government's job to judge that. JackRiddler Jun 2012 #48
It is up to parents consulting with their doctor and family JDPriestly Jun 2012 #132
It is up to sovereign individuals to decide what body modifications they want. JackRiddler Jun 2012 #139
Children especially babies, are not sovereign individuals. They depend on their JDPriestly Jul 2012 #212
Parents are guardians and caretakers. Not owners. Sirveri Jul 2012 #215
Yes, that's the point! They aren't sovereign individuals. JackRiddler Jul 2012 #216
The hygiene issue was early last century. go west young man Jun 2012 #60
As long as there are no STD's, sure. boppers Jun 2012 #105
So do you think having foreskin puts one at greater risk of an STD? go west young man Jun 2012 #135
how come no one brings up hygiene to defend female circumcision? yurbud Jun 2012 #71
Because .... because ... well, that's different. closeupready Jun 2012 #72
Well, mathematically, it would make sense. boppers Jun 2012 #107
The answer is very evident if you compare the male and female anatomy. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #131
It's not evident to me, and I have female anatomy. Crunchy Frog Jun 2012 #133
Female circumcision removes the joy of sex 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #158
I have to say, why not wait 'til the kid's old enough to decide for himself, and snot Jun 2012 #75
Because then they might not make the choice that the parents want them to make. Sirveri Jun 2012 #87
Germany is moving in the right direction, circumcision is barbaric, and the foreskin is necessary ilikeitthatway Jun 2012 #81
I agree. If an older male decides to do this fine, but don't do this to a infant... midnight Jun 2012 #84
ABC News: Baby Dies of Herpes in Ritual Circumcision By Orthodox Jews ilikeitthatway Jun 2012 #82
It should be against the law to circumcise any minor child Megahurtz Jun 2012 #86
Good Fearless Jun 2012 #88
Same here!!! I agree 1,000% n/t RKP5637 Jun 2012 #151
I'm not a man, so no skin off my privates. Beacool Jun 2012 #89
As a Chinese mandarin of several centuries ago... JackRiddler Jun 2012 #90
I would say that reason she puts forward is really the reason many women advocate for circumcision. go west young man Jun 2012 #98
You're over analizing the issue. Beacool Jun 2012 #113
It is a discussion board isn't it? go west young man Jun 2012 #118
Oh, please............ Beacool Jun 2012 #112
Men treat women like meat... JackRiddler Jun 2012 #119
If a guy were to suggest that he prefers women with XYZ surgeries to make them prettier 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #159
I never said that. Beacool Jul 2012 #192
As someone anti-circumcision, I'll be honest and agree sometimes closeupready Jun 2012 #95
That would be going a little too far, wouldn't it? Beacool Jun 2012 #110
Less extreme than having every male's penis mutilated, closeupready Jun 2012 #117
Wow pmorlan1 Jun 2012 #155
It was a joke. Beacool Jul 2012 #193
Never before dating HillWilliam Jun 2012 #146
LOL, well I guess some of us have no standards. closeupready Jun 2012 #149
I beg your pardon! I have standards!! HillWilliam Jul 2012 #167
Many people enjoy other people's cosmetic surgery, especially breast augmentation. nt ZombieHorde Jun 2012 #120
Some day it may be fashionable to add extra foreskin. Son of Gob Jun 2012 #125
That would be funny. nt ZombieHorde Jun 2012 #126
I want mine BACK!!!! Taverner Jul 2012 #210
Well, after all the German courts COLGATE4 Jun 2012 #128
Please don't feed the "persecuted jew" debate. It gets tiring. go west young man Jun 2012 #136
Not tiring to those of us who COLGATE4 Jun 2012 #142
The vast majority of male genital mutilation victims are not Jewish. JackRiddler Jun 2012 #138
True. But it directly affects any COLGATE4 Jun 2012 #143
What is "observant"? JackRiddler Jun 2012 #144
To answer your question simply, "Yes". COLGATE4 Jun 2012 #147
To check again, because this is important: JackRiddler Jun 2012 #148
I stand in awe in the presence of such COLGATE4 Jun 2012 #150
Judaism is passed maternally. Sirveri Jun 2012 #152
No one is saying that an uncircumcised male child born COLGATE4 Jun 2012 #153
So what you're saying is that it's not actually necessary to be forced upon the child. Sirveri Jun 2012 #160
"After all, they can get it done as an adult." COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #163
I believe that it is the possessor of the genitals decision. Sirveri Jul 2012 #190
The law does not agree with your premise. COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #198
It's either for medical need or it's not. If it's not then it's cosmetic. Sirveri Jul 2012 #214
That's your opinion. And you know what COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #222
They have this new thing nowadays called "anesthetic". Crunchy Frog Jul 2012 #195
One of my best friends had to be COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #197
Links on the Russian adult immigrants and on neonatal pain. Crunchy Frog Jul 2012 #218
The 'Russian Immigrant link' makes my COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #221
All I can say is that your "knowledge" of neonatal pain is about 30 years out of date. Crunchy Frog Jul 2012 #231
There's are laws in the west telling people what they can and cannot do religiously riderinthestorm Jun 2012 #162
Laws in the U.S. restricting religious practices COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #164
What "public interest" is served by banning FGM? It's largely a private concern. riderinthestorm Jul 2012 #169
One person's "harmless" is anothers' "drastic". COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #170
Thanks for a thoughtful convo. A lovely Sunday morning treat riderinthestorm Jul 2012 #184
Thanks to you, too. It's somewhat COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #200
Right back atcha! riderinthestorm Jul 2012 #203
My point is that, at least for those for whom it is COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #220
Its protected at the moment. I wouldn't be surprised if that doesn't change riderinthestorm Jul 2012 #224
Seeing as how First Amendment juridprudence has COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #234
I completely agree with your personal decision COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #226
Some forms of FGC are that severe, certainly. Crunchy Frog Jul 2012 #219
Quick, change the subject! Try to make it personal! JackRiddler Jun 2012 #161
You argue but do not persuade COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #166
Same argument is being made in favor of FGM and stoning. JackRiddler Jul 2012 #171
On what do you base your assertion that COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #181
On the physical fact that it IS grievous bodily harm. JackRiddler Jul 2012 #185
This message was self-deleted by its author COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #186
Or, in other words, COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #187
If I were to put my First Amendment rights into practice reorg Jul 2012 #188
I have no idea COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #189
sorry if I didn't make myself clear enough reorg Jul 2012 #191
I'm guessing that this is part of the explanation Crunchy Frog Jul 2012 #196
Your 'discipline example' is COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #199
Again, not all religious practices are guaranteed under the 1st Amendment. nt riderinthestorm Jul 2012 #201
No, but those that aren't so protected are COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #202
I mentioned a few upthead: must have face exposed for a drivers license photo, polygamy, riderinthestorm Jul 2012 #204
As I mentioned in my first reponse to you COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #205
Female genital mutilation became illegal in the US in 1997 riderinthestorm Jul 2012 #213
Because 18th Century legislators believed that COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #223
I'm going to theorize that the acceptance of infant circumcision will also erode. riderinthestorm Jul 2012 #225
No. If by some stretch of the imagination it COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #227
So then logically you must believe that girls undergoing FGM in secret is okay? riderinthestorm Jul 2012 #230
I think the analogy is fairly clear reorg Jul 2012 #233
Rights trump religion any day 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #172
Again, how do you define "observant"? JackRiddler Jun 2012 #145
Jews aren't exempt from the law because of their religion 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #168
Correct. This is the Leviticus argument. JackRiddler Jul 2012 #173
I think there was something in there about women being submissive 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #175
Wow! The depth of your understanding of COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #177
Which part did you find contentious? 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #179
How do you know if you have been circumcized? snooper2 Jun 2012 #134
It seems that this new plague may be infesting the UK as well. Crunchy Frog Jun 2012 #141
Plague? You mean the Enlightenment? JackRiddler Jul 2012 #174
I should have added this: Crunchy Frog Jul 2012 #194
Yes, I see! Friends! JackRiddler Jul 2012 #206
A plague of not removing body parts 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #176
It's a barbaric practice Mosaic Jul 2012 #165
I agree. I am convinced all religions were started by people mentally ill. Taverner Jul 2012 #209
Interesting view from Jewish side.... MindMover Jul 2012 #178
What a ridiculous notion 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #180
Exactly! COLGATE4 Jul 2012 #183
Misses the point - people can always see a Mohel outside the hospital Taverner Jul 2012 #208
Kind of a lame cartoon IMO. Crunchy Frog Jul 2012 #217
Although I agree, somehow I'm nervous that it was Germany to declare this first.... Taverner Jul 2012 #207
I don't think you should be. JackRiddler Jul 2012 #211
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