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Fri Jun 29, 2012, 05:22 AM

JDPriestly (37,753 posts)

79. Yes. And some of that information may be about certain ATF agents themselves.

I can think of scenarios in which the very ATF agents who are bringing accusations might be under scrutiny.

It's very hard to say what the story really is from that Fortune article because it is clear that all the real facts are not known.

The Republicans are certainly trying to use this for political gain, but in fact, it sounds like the people on their side may be the problem. Hard to say, but I think there is much more going on than is known at this time.

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122 replies	Author	Time	Post
The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal [View all]	goodhue	Jun 2012	OP
re: The truth about the Fast and Furious scandal	allan01	Jun 2012	#1
In other words, the truth about the scandal is..........	PDJane	Jun 2012	#2
the attitude of the U.S. Attorney office in Pheonix seems the heart of the problem . . .	goodhue	Jun 2012	#4
Thanks, goodhue. Somehow this rings true.	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#19
Who was supposed to brief Burke?	snot	Jun 2012	#21
good question	goodhue	Jun 2012	#22
Burke called Grassley's staff "Stooges for the Gun Lobby" for Fast & Furious probe: article	wordpix	Jul 2012	#118
The NRA need to go	clang1	Jun 2012	#81
Hurley was reassigned in 2011	wordpix	Jul 2012	#117
Kand R for the NRA crowd	Kingofalldems	Jun 2012	#18
Good find, and thanks for posting. Far too many right wingers and even some here have criticized ATF	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#3
"you don't stop valuable work just because some..."	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#10
Thanks for your support.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#11
There is some question as to whether the gun that killed the border patrol guard	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#20
Only the published news reports.	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#29
As I said, you need some forensic evidence about the bullet. Guns could	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#90
Just for the record, such a matching may not be possible/available.	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#91
Without it and without witnesses?????	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#92
Uh, not sure what you're asking there. n/t	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#93
I'm wondering how anyone can claim that the killing was related to the weapons found at	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#94
It's actually almost irrelevent if that was the specific gun used to kill Terry or not.	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#95
Holder was lied to. That is why he said what he did. That is why, when he learned	JDPriestly	Jul 2012	#96
"And now, Holder is investigating this."	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#97
Holder was not informed of the lie until earlier this year. He could not begin to	JDPriestly	Jul 2012	#99
Sorry, any military officer who was this out of control of her/his unit....	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#100
Was a military officer booted for My Lai, for the torture at Abu Ghraib, for	JDPriestly	Jul 2012	#113
Yes, actually, many were fired/demoted/court-martialed/fined/relieved.	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#114
West: not just "conservative," but downright dangerous.	JDPriestly	Jul 2012	#116
It's right in the article:	malthaussen	Jun 2012	#32
Thank you, just got home and was going to post that. n/t	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#35
The guns were discovered at the murder scene, but was the bullet that killed	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#80
So ATF has no one on duty during a holiday? National security issue that no one's minding the store	wordpix	Jul 2012	#119
Yeah a drop in the bucket of 2000 guns a day flooding across the border.	Hassin Bin Sober	Jun 2012	#27
So, the cartels are getting their full-auto AK's and their RPG's....	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#28
You and I both know it's totally legal for a person to buy a full-auto AK, or RPG, in the US.	boppers	Jun 2012	#34
Which takes a Federal background check and several months to obtain....	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#36
So, yeah, legal in the US.	boppers	Jun 2012	#39
I never said it wasn't legal.... but it's not the route the traffickers are using....	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#40
Nope. No pictures. Just memories.	boppers	Jun 2012	#44
"assault uniforms"? "the attitude of the gun dealers"?	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#50
If you have a tactical vest, it will be used as evidence.	boppers	Jun 2012	#67
Here in the US? Or in Mexico?	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#70
The Uniform game?	boppers	Jun 2012	#72
So U.S. LE uniforms were being taken to Mexico and used in fake raids there?	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#74
Nonono, wait, I must not have been clear.	boppers	Jun 2012	#77
Turns out that's exactly the route the trafficers were using.	boppers	Jun 2012	#66
You're the one that brought in the "full auto" strawman.	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#69
Post #28	boppers	Jun 2012	#71
Hmmm, apparently your sarcasmometer is out of calibration.	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#73
The cartels have a wide variety of hardware.	boppers	Jun 2012	#75
2000 guns a day flooding across the border? Link?	rl6214	Jul 2012	#102
.	Hassin Bin Sober	Jul 2012	#105
Oh come on, you're not going to trot out that "truth" about the nra BS now are you?	rl6214	Jul 2012	#107
So you trot out a right-wing blogger who thinks Obama really IS plotting to take guns away with F/F?	Hassin Bin Sober	Jul 2012	#109
Just the first google item I found that said Katherine Eban was an anti-gun zealot	rl6214	Jul 2012	#110
Somehow I get the impression he is in your favorites.	Hassin Bin Sober	Jul 2012	#111
Who would this be you are talking about?	rl6214	Jul 2012	#115
aw, give the NRA a break ---they want EVERYONE to own guns, drug cartels included	wordpix	Jul 2012	#120
"you don't stop valuable work just because some..."	boppers	Jun 2012	#33
The ATF could not stop the sale of those guns	Sekhmets Daughter	Jun 2012	#49
Had nothing to do with Arizona laws...	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#51
weakest gun violence prevention laws in the nation	goodhue	Jun 2012	#54
What "gun violence prevention laws" should we have?	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#55
The laws the ATF were hoping to enforce were federal	goodhue	Jun 2012	#56
Again, what laws should we have?	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#58
I was merely responding to assertion that Arizona's laws are not different from other states	goodhue	Jun 2012	#59
Most states do not have these restrictions. What makes Arizona a special case?	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#63
The content is not mine, but rather from the LCPVG	goodhue	Jun 2012	#85
As to what states should have, look to LCPCV's Model Laws . . .	goodhue	Jun 2012	#60
May I see your government issued First, Fourth, Thirteenth and Twenty-sixth Amendment licences...	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#62
I'm just sharing some model laws by interest group	goodhue	Jun 2012	#84
I guess I don't get to see those Permits, eh?	PavePusher	Jul 2012	#98
agree, but someone should be on duty during a holiday - ATF missed suspicious activity faxed to them	wordpix	Jul 2012	#121
IT IS THE ATF'S FAULT PERIOD. AND MANY MORE PEOPLES FAULT	clang1	Jun 2012	#38
Yes. And some of that information may be about certain ATF agents themselves.	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#79
"No federal statute outlaws firearms trafficking"	naaman fletcher	Jun 2012	#5
I had exactly the same reaction. That is complete bullshit!	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#6
ALSO	naaman fletcher	Jun 2012	#7
If you don't get past the 2nd paragraph, then you're missing out on a lot of pertinent detail	goodhue	Jun 2012	#23
yes of course	naaman fletcher	Jun 2012	#25
I'm not sure it's an error	goodhue	Jun 2012	#48
Exporting a firearm without a license to do so is a federal crime. So is providing one to anyone...	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#87
can you say whitewater?	pansypoo53219	Jun 2012	#8
Fuck the National Republican Association. nt	onehandle	Jun 2012	#9
Perfect +1000000000000000000000000	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#12
Propaganda. They have though. That is all that matters.	clang1	Jun 2012	#13
THINK ABOUT IT....THEY ARE ACHIEVING THEIR GOAL THEY ARE DISRUPTING THE ELECTIONS	clang1	Jun 2012	#14
IT IS TREASON. Understand, please.	clang1	Jun 2012	#15
You keep responding to... yourself.	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#17
I NEED NO CREDIBILITY FROM ANYONE HERE	clang1	Jun 2012	#41
Why are you screaming?	rl6214	Jul 2012	#103
Do you now understand about CREDIBILITY? n/t	clang1	Jun 2012	#42
No, I only understand that you are doing the Internet equivalent of shouting...	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#52
I have responded to one poster who claims Holder is	Kingofalldems	Jun 2012	#16
It is CORRUPTION	clang1	Jun 2012	#24
K & R	Scurrilous	Jun 2012	#26
Excellent Reporting That Shows The NRA and Issa Conspiracy Mongering	TomCADem	Jun 2012	#30
Call it Mongering	clang1	Jun 2012	#37
Don't Bogart that ... my friend	UnrepentantLiberal	Jun 2012	#65
Unfortunately, upon seeing her sources, I strongly doubt that the story is either factual or correct	Big_Mike	Jun 2012	#64
Reports Seems Far Better Sources Than Most Articles	TomCADem	Jun 2012	#78
Would make a hell of a novel	malthaussen	Jun 2012	#31
WHEN DID THE VIOLENCE BEGIN IN MEXICO?	clang1	Jun 2012	#43
F&F was invented by Republicans	Greggers	Jun 2012	#45
No BIG DEAL ?	clang1	Jun 2012	#53
Fortune reporter on AC360 . . .	goodhue	Jun 2012	#46
The truth is they are scared to death of Holder	Mosaic	Jun 2012	#47
If it turns out that the guns weren't walked (whatever that actuall means),	truthisfreedom	Jun 2012	#57
Yes. EVERYTHING must be considered. I see what I think is the OBVIOUS	clang1	Jun 2012	#61
GOP/NRA gun nut witch hunters can kiss it	jpak	Jun 2012	#68
Keep telling it, don't let go of this.	freshwest	Jun 2012	#76
This post was hidden by jury decision.	clang1	Jun 2012	#82
Bullets in the chest are more "hurtful" than anything Clang1 put up here	Kolesar	Jun 2012	#83
This post was hidden by jury decision.	lang1	Jun 2012	#88
This post was hidden by jury decision.	lang1	Jun 2012	#89
Link to Katherine Eban on Current TV . . .	goodhue	Jun 2012	#86
I'm sorry... I know I don't have all the facts... but,,,	lib2DaBone	Jul 2012	#101
Great read	underpants	Jul 2012	#104
Stay-behinds. Moles.	sofa king	Jul 2012	#106
The whole thing has always smelled like a W/Cheney mole operation	underpants	Jul 2012	#108
Chilling, indeed.	DanTex	Jul 2012	#112
Fortune follow-up story . . .	goodhue	Jul 2012	#122

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