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In the discussion thread: Texas man gets 40 years in stand-your-ground case [View all]

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Wed Jun 27, 2012, 08:15 PM

nobodyspecial (2,011 posts)

51. Yep, this was the case

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130 replies	Author	Time	Post
Texas man gets 40 years in stand-your-ground case [View all]	maddezmom	Jun 2012	OP
That sounds about right for George Zimmerman too	LynneSin	Jun 2012	#1
But the law didn't shield this man at all.	AtheistCrusader	Jun 2012	#42
Wasn't aware they had one.. Always had self-defense and castle doctrine.	freshwest	Jun 2012	#55
Can you honestly say SYG didn't help lead this idiot.....	Hassin Bin Sober	Jun 2012	#56
He may have thought he was. Does not matter.	AtheistCrusader	Jun 2012	#63
FIXED: Repeal them	clang1	Jun 2012	#66
Strongly disagree.	AtheistCrusader	Jun 2012	#73
Good - that was pre-meditated	lame54	Jun 2012	#2
And dude should have known Hispanics	tblue	Jun 2012	#128
In other words, it actually was NOT a Stand Your Ground case after all	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#3
It was a case of a vigilante who believed a "stand your ground" law gave him a license to murder	Major Nikon	Jun 2012	#17
It didn't work out so well for the person he killed either.	MH1	Jun 2012	#20
Hope the family of the deceased file a civil suit against him as well -- n/t	mazzarro	Jun 2012	#41
Right. He obviously decided to couch a premeditated murder as a SYG case. 40 years was not enough.	marble falls	Jun 2012	#102
Yes... Absolutely.	hlthe2b	Jun 2012	#4
This was just a murder. There was no loophole or castle doctrine involved.	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#7
that is the point.. these laws are being used to get by with murder in many cases.	hlthe2b	Jun 2012	#8
This case is not an example of someone getting away with murder, and SYG was not an issue.	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#9
Just because he failed in his attempt to use it does NOT make it a non-issue.	hlthe2b	Jun 2012	#11
It's not an issue in the context of this case	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#12
I think he believed -- "Get a gun and you too can stand your ground." That's the problem with SYG.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#31
That's exactly what a conviction in this case signals to people.	AtheistCrusader	Jun 2012	#43
Apparently our gun carrying murderer missed the message, as did Zimmerman.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#67
Not the gun store's problem. It's the state's problem.	AtheistCrusader	Jun 2012	#71
Exon, bankers, coal industry, gun promoters-- they perpetuate problems.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#82
Not a problem with SYG....	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#119
Yep, and the gun promoters are fine with more and more guns for "stupid people."	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#121
It was involved to the extent that this murderer tried to invoke that defense	Major Nikon	Jun 2012	#18
"almost got away with it" makes about as much sense as "almost pregnant"	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#22
Except when people actually do get away with it	Major Nikon	Jun 2012	#27
Provide specific cases.	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#120
no, it was a smoke screen that he tried to set up	magical thyme	Jun 2012	#44
Fair enough. The whole thing was premeditated including the attempt to use SYG as a defense.	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#49
Yep, this was the case	nobodyspecial	Jun 2012	#51
Correction: He was invoking that defense before he pulled the trigger.	Hassin Bin Sober	Jun 2012	#59
Every defendent thinks he is innocent.	hack89	Jun 2012	#85
The guy is found guilty and that proves nothing is wrong with SYG?	Major Nikon	Jun 2012	#90
It proves that SYG did not apply.	hack89	Jun 2012	#91
If it didn't apply, then why was he able to use that defense in the first place?	Major Nikon	Jun 2012	#97
Good point, defendants never use bogus defenses	ag_dude	Jun 2012	#101
Defendants can try any defense they want.	hack89	Jun 2012	#103
No they can't	Major Nikon	Jun 2012	#105
You are not making much sense here.	hack89	Jun 2012	#109
Don't minimize it that way just because the court found him guilty.	Gormy Cuss	Jun 2012	#19
Castle Doctrine isn't wrong. The defendant in this case is an IDIOT. That is the real problem.	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#23
I agree that the real problem is that the defendant is an idiot.	Gormy Cuss	Jun 2012	#38
yeah, a murdering idiot	maddezmom	Jun 2012	#39
PSA - Castle Doctrine is not the same as Stand your Ground.	NutmegYankee	Jun 2012	#35
The article used the term "Castle Doctrine" while defining it as SYG.	Gormy Cuss	Jun 2012	#36
The article is wrong.	NutmegYankee	Jun 2012	#89
It seems more like the guy's ignorance had everything to do with it...	octothorpe	Jun 2012	#37
I can't remember if he's the one who claimed he was "trained" at a concealed carry class	Gormy Cuss	Jun 2012	#40
Yes. Let's focus on what actually happened.	Hassin Bin Sober	Jun 2012	#58
Then the legal system has shown him how wrong his belief was.	hack89	Jun 2012	#86
He then said, "I'm standing my ground here,"	progressoid	Jun 2012	#99
I can claim to be the King of France	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#100
False equivalence	progressoid	Jun 2012	#107
I'm not aware of any law that says I CAN'T claim immunity for being the King of France	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#111
Nice try.	progressoid	Jun 2012	#114
Rodriguez ATTEMPTED to claim immunity under a Texas law, but his defense FAILED.	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#117
Good. When you show up with a video camera and a script...	KansDem	Jun 2012	#5
Even after seeing the video and hearing the scripted words	Blue_Tires	Jun 2012	#10
Loonies will always find a reason to believe they get to have it "their way".....	Swede Atlanta	Jun 2012	#6
That's awesome.. and sends the right "message"	99th_Monkey	Jun 2012	#13
I struggle to understand the whole "gun" mentality.....	Swede Atlanta	Jun 2012	#15
(d) All of the above	99th_Monkey	Jun 2012	#16
I own several guns myself	Major Nikon	Jun 2012	#21
Exactly. It's one thing to have a few guns at home, but carrying them in public crosses the line.	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#32
Hope you aren't feeling judged or demonized	99th_Monkey	Jun 2012	#33
I know exactly what you mean	Major Nikon	Jun 2012	#34
The chance that I will ever have a reason to use my legally concealed handgun ...	spin	Jun 2012	#62
For me, part of being a Democrat means I consider public policy from it's impact to society	Major Nikon	Jun 2012	#72
Please explain how having millions of gun owners have caused the violent crime rate to increase ...	spin	Jun 2012	#75
I've only seen this posted on DU about a million times	Major Nikon	Jun 2012	#83
You refuse to consider the innocent lives saved.	GreenStormCloud	Jun 2012	#93
I really don't care much for anecdotal data, especially that which can't be verified	Major Nikon	Jun 2012	#96
If as you say, "one innocent person dying as a result of this public policy is one too many" ...	spin	Jun 2012	#106
Self-defense is NOT vigilantism.	GreenStormCloud	Jun 2012	#81
How exactly did you provide any proof of your assertion that CCW "saves innocent lives"?	Major Nikon	Jun 2012	#84
It is very simple arithmatic.	GreenStormCloud	Jun 2012	#92
I merely asked you to support your assertion which you still have failed to do	Major Nikon	Jun 2012	#94
So, we should give up the right to defend ourselves, and tools for it...	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#123
I'm no gun nut defender, BUT	MH1	Jun 2012	#26
So roughly 53 million Americans are "seriously deranged?"	spin	Jun 2012	#45
AS far as I know, the people that worry about tyranny don't carry a pistol for that purpose.	AtheistCrusader	Jun 2012	#48
Very true. (n/t)	spin	Jun 2012	#64
'mentality'?	AtheistCrusader	Jun 2012	#47
How about the fact that shooting guns is fun?	hack89	Jun 2012	#87
I care not at all about the size of your genitalia.	PavePusher	Jun 2012	#124
Raul should have read the fine print, however	TheCowsCameHome	Jun 2012	#14
Good.	blackspade	Jun 2012	#24
SYG is not the same as Looking For Trouble.	hobbit709	Jun 2012	#25
agreed and so did Zimmerman n/t	maddezmom	Jun 2012	#28
Exactly	hobbit709	Jun 2012	#29
Another FOOL and another VICTIM	clang1	Jun 2012	#50
could you give a hint about what you believe the Progression is	maddezmom	Jun 2012	#53
Excellent. Fuck that unjust law and its supporters. nt	onehandle	Jun 2012	#30
Tyranny	clang1	Jun 2012	#46
he is in jail and now sentenced to 40 yrs because he murdered someone	maddezmom	Jun 2012	#52
READ what I said. You have NOT	clang1	Jun 2012	#54
I have read it and like I said	maddezmom	Jun 2012	#57
Don't ask me another question until you understand what I wrote	clang1	Jun 2012	#61
LOL	maddezmom	Jun 2012	#65
I take it, not a Language Arts teacher?	AtheistCrusader	Jun 2012	#74
WOULD THE MAN BE IN PRISON WERE IT NOT FOR THIS LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!	clang1	Jun 2012	#76
I know you probably won't be reading this but do you think the law	maddezmom	Jun 2012	#77
IT IS PART OF THE CLIMATE THAT ALLOWED THAT TO HAPPEN	clang1	Jun 2012	#78
why are you shouting?	maddezmom	Jun 2012	#79
I love that this person is trying to "school" you!	intheflow	Jun 2012	#98
George Zimmerman's defense is NOT going to be based on Stand Your Ground. His lawyer MAY make...	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#112
The victim in this case was a woman, actually.	AtheistCrusader	Jun 2012	#110
I believe people have a right to defend themselves.	mysuzuki2	Jun 2012	#60
WHO says the LAW DOES NOT allow this do this? YOU?	clang1	Jun 2012	#68
Hey, quit with the caps already!	mysuzuki2	Jun 2012	#95
Yeah, well, I can claim I'm next in line to the British throne.	BiggJawn	Jun 2012	#69
40 years? For cold blooded murder? That's insanity!!!! nt	valerief	Jun 2012	#70
Just A Data Point - Raul Rodriguez is 47 years old	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#80
Parole. nt	valerief	Jun 2012	#125
He won't ever be eligible for early release with supervision - See page 31...	slackmaster	Jun 2012	#130
You should move to Washington State.. he's have gotten 6 years, tops.	progressivebydesign	Jun 2012	#115
Holy shit! That's insane!!!! nt	valerief	Jun 2012	#126
Justice is served ... for once.	baldguy	Jun 2012	#88
To me he seems a victim of this law as well	Turbineguy	Jun 2012	#104
You should revise your post to clarify ...	spin	Jun 2012	#108
That is certainly one possibility.	ManiacJoe	Jun 2012	#113
Sorry, I was indeed suggesting that he	Turbineguy	Jun 2012	#116
GOOD. n/t	bitchkitty	Jun 2012	#118
He deserves more	caroll31	Jun 2012	#122
It would not surprise me to see Governor Perry give him a full pardon....	Swede Atlanta	Jun 2012	#127
This idiot	permatex	Jun 2012	#129

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