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pacalo

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95. It's the big picture that's the most incriminating, imo.
Thu Jun 14, 2012, 11:29 PM
Jun 2012

Zimmerman's twisted "well, I have injuries!" tactic doesn't wash because if he had let the police investigate his paranoic delusion that Trayvon was up to no good by walking down a sidewalk, there would have been no murder.

good, he deserves nothing less than life in prison JI7 Jun 2012 #1
I don't know the specifics of this case but......... Swede Atlanta Jun 2012 #2
These SYG laws are so full of holes and open to abuse it's ridiculous meanit Jun 2012 #9
The original concept was sound, the execution into law a disaster. NutmegYankee Jun 2012 #34
As, of course, was completely predictable primavera Jun 2012 #61
And of course, there IS all of that. There must be an overt threat. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #53
This was not a SYG case hack89 Jun 2012 #57
You should read up on both the law and this specific case slackmaster Jun 2012 #63
But, courts need to make that clear. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #97
The facts of the case are these: PersonA was having a party and making noise. PersonB did not Vincardog Jun 2012 #92
yes, it seemed more like premeditated murder TheFarseer Jun 2012 #107
The specifics were certain to get him convicted. dixiegrrrrl Jun 2012 #98
Good! obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #3
An eye for an eye in this case. Woody Woodpecker Jun 2012 #4
an eye for an eye... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2012 #12
Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk! Woody Woodpecker Jun 2012 #24
Well, if I am a chicken... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2012 #28
Castle Doctrine is NOT a failure. NutmegYankee Jun 2012 #36
Rodriquez left his home and went outside so the castle law does not apply Thinkingabout Jun 2012 #74
What the hell are you talking about? NutmegYankee Jun 2012 #87
What does that have to do with this case? tabasco Jun 2012 #91
Woody called Castle Doctrine a failure in post #4. NutmegYankee Jun 2012 #94
I don't agree with Meiko Jun 2012 #56
I saw the video. He should have been convicted. n/t USD79 Jun 2012 #5
Agreed. And welcome to DU! shcrane71 Jun 2012 #21
I saw the video christx30 Jun 2012 #89
I'm pleasantly surprised. Vidar Jun 2012 #6
me too otherone Jun 2012 #8
Me, three. pnwmom Jun 2012 #16
I'm not. From the link, the guilty verdict was likely; it matched my years there: freshwest Jun 2012 #20
Excellent, the jury made the right decision AnOhioan Jun 2012 #7
"It's coming right for us!" drm604 Jun 2012 #10
Jimbo would fit in well... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2012 #13
Common sense prevails. Even in Texas. n/t ejbr Jun 2012 #11
has anyone seen if Freepers are saying anything about this ? JI7 Jun 2012 #14
It would be interesting, but I can't go there. freshwest Jun 2012 #22
I can sarisataka Jun 2012 #25
Then go there and bring an analysis back. Just cut out the usual vulgar hate speech. freshwest Jun 2012 #27
i think they did, the "chirp chirp" JI7 Jun 2012 #44
Exactly sarisataka Jun 2012 #45
Ah, crickets. freshwest Jun 2012 #48
Who is defending Zimmerman? gejohnston Jun 2012 #31
The Freepers and people like them. JoeyT Jun 2012 #60
There are very clear differences in the two cases. Spoonman Jun 2012 #75
Good. yardwork Jun 2012 #15
The initially released videos sarisataka Jun 2012 #17
Don't forget the part where he said that the police officer was talking about pnwmom Jun 2012 #41
I know I am usually drunk sarisataka Jun 2012 #46
Good. Wonder what would have happened without the video? Hoyt Jun 2012 #18
Probably the same verdict intheflow Jun 2012 #23
Hope you are right, but I kind of think Post #29 makes a good point. SYG can happen anywhere. Hoyt Jun 2012 #30
As a Republican who lives in Texas and believes we have a right to self defense ..... marble falls Jun 2012 #58
His ground will be about 8'x8' square very soon. TheCowsCameHome Jun 2012 #19
Doesn't seem like a stand your ground case at all. Cronkite Jun 2012 #26
This being Texas and watching the video.... radarluv Jun 2012 #29
about as blind as it is in say Maryland gejohnston Jun 2012 #33
They do that in my state, too obamanut2012 Jun 2012 #47
I've been wondering that, too -- if the victim was the Hispanic guy, pnwmom Jun 2012 #43
Clearly he was convicted based on his race and not his obvious guilt 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #76
I think what we are witnessing is a consequence of SYG being a law fascisthunter Jun 2012 #32
SYG didn't have a damn thing to do with it. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #54
Which is why SYG doesn't protect Zimmerman either, IMHO. kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #35
+1000 SunSeeker Jun 2012 #71
I agree gejohnston Jun 2012 #37
There was a gun shop owner and "safety expert" who said on TV pnwmom Jun 2012 #42
He "said" the right things. boppers Jun 2012 #49
And wasn't evident in the video. AtheistCrusader Jun 2012 #55
This was about someone trying to claim self-defense while standing someone ELSE'S ground slackmaster Jun 2012 #66
I don't know about the rest of the country, secondvariety Jun 2012 #90
So glad to see this. Never expected it. Gives human beings reason to hope. Thanks. n/t Judi Lynn Jun 2012 #38
Post over at Alternet: 5 SYG cases you should know about DiverDave Jun 2012 #39
Thanks, DiverDave. That is truly disgusting. n/t pnwmom Jun 2012 #40
I agree that the laws need to be rewritten ... spin Jun 2012 #64
gun nuts ALWAYS "fear for their lives" Skittles Jun 2012 #50
Define "gun nuts" ... spin Jun 2012 #65
Same goes for Zimmerman... pacalo Jun 2012 #51
I hope so. n/t pnwmom Jun 2012 #52
The big complication with Zimmerman is the lack of witnesses. hack89 Jun 2012 #67
It's the big picture that's the most incriminating, imo. pacalo Jun 2012 #95
Totally irrelevant in court though hack89 Jun 2012 #96
The fact that Zimmerman pursued Trayvon is very relevant. pacalo Jun 2012 #100
To a point hack89 Jun 2012 #101
It's pretty clear to me that Zimmerman didn't stand back & allow the police to handle his complaint pacalo Jun 2012 #102
No doubt hack89 Jun 2012 #103
Who committed the "first illegal act"? pacalo Jun 2012 #104
It is not illegal to follow and verbally confront someone hack89 Jun 2012 #108
Just as in the Texas case, it will be clear that there would not have been a need for pacalo Jun 2012 #109
There are some fundamental differences though hack89 Jun 2012 #110
Well that is really good news UglyGreed Jun 2012 #59
The media has been constantly saying that "Stand Your Ground" laws ... spin Jun 2012 #62
One case doesn't disprove the media's point pnwmom Jun 2012 #69
I agree. This case should be publicized... spin Jun 2012 #70
You can't hide murder behind any law. ileus Jun 2012 #68
Obviously. Just because the shooter SAID it was a stand your ground scenario did not make it so dmallind Jun 2012 #72
There is a false equivalency if there ever was one. Illegal parking doesn't result in the death of upaloopa Jun 2012 #79
And since when did analogies have to be identical? Neither did SYG laws result in this death btw dmallind Jun 2012 #83
Much too late, Rodriquez will find there is such a thing as living in real fear for your life. freshwest Jun 2012 #73
I have a sneaking suspicion that SYG only applies to Whites catbyte Jun 2012 #77
This has gone too far. Society has been bullied by the gun lobby to let gun nuts shoot first and upaloopa Jun 2012 #78
Our entire criminal justice system is based on a presumption that the defendant is innocent slackmaster Jun 2012 #80
Two things happened reasently that resulted in an innocent person losing his life. upaloopa Jun 2012 #81
No, an innocent person is dead because an idiot broke multiple laws and committed murder slackmaster Jun 2012 #82
You know what would be nice to hear? A gun person saying "Gee! what a tragedy that an upaloopa Jun 2012 #84
Something else that would be nice to hear sarisataka Jun 2012 #85
The shooter admitted to the shooting, and helpfully made the video. pnwmom Jun 2012 #106
My point is that sarisataka Jun 2012 #111
I suspect you would hear less of the latter if 4th law of robotics Jun 2012 #99
A neighborhood bully who had a CHL, an arsenal of weapons and a knowledge of the law Gothmog Jun 2012 #86
His knowledge of the law was flawed slackmaster Jun 2012 #88
TYT had this as a segment earlier in the week........ I am glad TX Smilo Jun 2012 #93
Fuck yeah, trial by jury. joshcryer Jun 2012 #105
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