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In the discussion thread: Trayvon Martin Case Prompts Civil Rights Commission Investigation On Stand Your Ground Laws [View all]

Response to JDPriestly (Reply #4)

Sun Jun 10, 2012, 10:34 PM

ProgressiveProfessor (22,144 posts)

25. You are quite incorrect as to the nature of SYG laws

And you argument is upside down. The prior laws relied too heavily on police officers and politically appointed DAs. The current SYG laws do not give them than unaccountable power.

The crux of SYG is if it a legitimate use of deadely force in self defense, the location is irrelevant.

Learn what the laws really mean and say, not what some want you to believe.

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56 replies	Author	Time	Post
Trayvon Martin Case Prompts Civil Rights Commission Investigation On Stand Your Ground Laws [View all]	Tx4obama	Jun 2012	OP
A link to additional article, below	Tx4obama	Jun 2012	#1
Long overdue.	kestrel91316	Jun 2012	#2
Yes. nm	rhett o rick	Jun 2012	#3
Finally ~ why the delay on fighting	goclark	Jun 2012	#10
These Stand Your Groundlaws place the responsibility and privilege of making certain decisions about	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#4
Exactly. n/t	Hoyt	Jun 2012	#5
Absolutely agree. nt	chknltl	Jun 2012	#7
you think duty to retreat was just?	gejohnston	Jun 2012	#13
The presumption is that you should not kill anyone, that murder is never justified.	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#18
might want to take a second look	gejohnston	Jun 2012	#27
The prosecutor only files charges if there is a question as to whether the murder was justified.	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#28
I didn't coin the term.	gejohnston	Jun 2012	#30
The correct translation from the Old Testament is "Thou Shalt not murder" ...	spin	Jun 2012	#33
Yes. I understand the Commandment in those terms and agree with you.	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#37
That is your view ...	spin	Jun 2012	#42
Hogwash	Major Nikon	Jun 2012	#21
hogwash	gejohnston	Jun 2012	#24
Feel free to list when "presumption of innocence" was suspended in the US, because I can't find it	Major Nikon	Jun 2012	#31
why not look up the law?	gejohnston	Jun 2012	#32
You should have read it yourself before you commented	Major Nikon	Jun 2012	#35
Did you actually read the two situations where the aggressor	hack89	Jun 2012	#38
Did you actually read this thread?	Major Nikon	Jun 2012	#41
I was just pointing out that the exceptions are very limited. That's all. nt	hack89	Jun 2012	#43
The exception is big enough to drive a Mack truck through	Major Nikon	Jun 2012	#44
No - it says the other guy can't kill you for starting a fist fight or verbal confrontation.	hack89	Jun 2012	#46
That's not what it says	Major Nikon	Jun 2012	#47
No - there is still the reasonable man standard	hack89	Jun 2012	#50
So how do you account for the fact that the law doesn't say what you're claiming?	Major Nikon	Jun 2012	#52
That has been the standard for self defense for at least 15 years	hack89	Jun 2012	#53
Did you read the actual law ?	hack89	Jun 2012	#51
OK, I've had enough	Major Nikon	Jun 2012	#54
No problem - interpreting statutes can get complicated	hack89	Jun 2012	#56
I did read it.	gejohnston	Jun 2012	#45
Right. For example, in the Zimmerman case, if the case went to trial,	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#40
So rather than trust in the jury system, you'd rather leave it up to police	csziggy	Jun 2012	#22
actually not true	gejohnston	Jun 2012	#23
No they don't.	AtheistCrusader	Jun 2012	#17
You are quite incorrect as to the nature of SYG laws	ProgressiveProfessor	Jun 2012	#25
They never had unaccountable power. The DA, for one, is usually an elected official, not	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#39
FL is unique in that regards	ProgressiveProfessor	Jun 2012	#48
As for example, when someone is robbing a convenience store at gunpoint.	JDPriestly	Jun 2012	#49
A possibility for something good to come from Trayvan Martin's ...	etherealtruth	Jun 2012	#6
From the beginning, it's the only positive outcome I've seen coming from this tragedy. . .	Journeyman	Jun 2012	#11
The way racism affects SYG, they MUST look at this case:	chknltl	Jun 2012	#8
From what I have read and heard about it	asjr	Jun 2012	#9
because you have been ill informed	gejohnston	Jun 2012	#14
Yup. Exactly what the media wants you to believe ...	spin	Jun 2012	#34
Finally.	jwirr	Jun 2012	#12
Maybe they should focus on Texas too ...ya think?	L0oniX	Jun 2012	#15
Thank Goodness!	patrice	Jun 2012	#16
K&R. Long overdue. Remember Marissa Alexander.	Overseas	Jun 2012	#19
No - she got 20 years for leaving the situation and then coming back with a gun. nt	hack89	Jun 2012	#55
They need to look at WHO is advancing the passage of SYG.	Ford_Prefect	Jun 2012	#20
Wonder if they are ever going to look into the ongoing capricious use of hate crime enhancements	ProgressiveProfessor	Jun 2012	#26
The Unholy Trinity: Koch Brothers, ALEC, and the NRA	crunch60	Jun 2012	#29
No bad thing in reviewing and reassessing any piece of legislation...	LanternWaste	Jun 2012	#36

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